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Alatariel75 wrote: »Hold on, you've lost 5lbs in 2 weeks and think your metabolism is shot? How much are you expecting to lose? 2.5lbs a week is over the maximum recommended loss.
I wish my metabolism was that bad tbh12 -
mrsnattybulking wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Hold on, you've lost 5lbs in 2 weeks and think your metabolism is shot? How much are you expecting to lose? 2.5lbs a week is over the maximum recommended loss.
I wish my metabolism was that bad tbh
mine too3 -
I thought her point was that she usually starts out well but then cravings come back and she stops losing (which I'm reading to mean that she cannot stay consistent, and thus it's about calories increasing again).1
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Rebecca0224 wrote: »jennpinklady wrote: »I've tries Atkins; weight watchers; grapefruit; cabbage soup; low cal; low fat; one meal a day; mean green juicing; protein shake; Richard simmons ect...
I usually lose weight....initially...then the craving start again. Usually hungry at night. I usually crave protein and dairy products. I make everything my self homemade. I don't use process foods. I use very little salt. And I joined a gym just recently. I think I have a metabolism issue. I'm 48. I have lost 5 lbs in two weeks. I made my own protein bars wit h healthy hemp and seeds with oatmeal and sugar free peanut butter.
It doesn't sound like a metabolism problem it sounds like a self control problem. You could always try a non restrictive diet with a calorie deficit. You have to have a calorie deficit to lose weight, I gained weight doing both low carb and vegetarian. Metabolic disorders are not as common as people want to believe but good luck.
QFT.
Stop going on fad and overly restrictive diets. I've failed on fad/restrictive diets, too.
Just eat food. Use a food scale. Log accurately.7 -
There is a lot of research that shows vegan and vegetarian diets or even WFPB with limited meat intake can help with inflammation and other issues (cholesterol, diabetes etc) .
Many obese people have other health issues in addition to and/or because of the obesity, however by implementing diets that help relieve these issues they feel better and see great results with weight loss and overall health as a result.
CI/CO does work when you are strictly looking at pounds on the scale and you are honest about how many calories you are not only consuming but also burning daily, however if you are looking to address the other issues adopting a vegan or vegetarian diet may be a great option for you.
Just remember - Oreos are vegan, that does not make them healthy. Try to stick to real food and avoid processed/packaged stuff.
Personally-I have never see someone become obese from eating too many fresh fruits and vegetables so if you start to have cravings/desire to binge eat turn towards these options instead of your old vices.
Good luck!1 -
Thank you all for your comments, most of you had excellent ideas that I can use. I've decided to do pure plant base diet. I count and log all calories here. I keep this log very accurately. I measure and count all calories. I don't believe Oreos are grown in the ground so I won't be eating any of those. Whole grains, fruits and vegetables are what I will eat for 30 days to see how I feel. My food cravings at this time have gone away, I feel my body burning up food now. Has anyone seen the China Study? Really interesting stuff.5
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jennpinklady wrote: »Thank you all for your comments, most of you had excellent ideas that I can use. I've decided to do pure plant base diet. I count and log all calories here. I keep this log very accurately. I measure and count all calories. I don't believe Oreos are grown in the ground so I won't be eating any of those. Whole grains, fruits and vegetables are what I will eat for 30 days to see how I feel. My food cravings at this time have gone away, I feel my body burning up food now. Has anyone seen the China Study? Really interesting stuff.
And unfortunately inherently unreliable and has been debunked. He cherry picked results that suited his hypothesis and ignored contrary results to present the picture he wanted.8 -
I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.1 -
Also at this time I'm eating 1700 calories a day. But as I lose weight my calorie intake will decrease.0
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Learn learn learn about macros and micronutrients to do vegan successfully. It's not trivial.4
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I've lost weight eating steaks and cheese going low carb.5
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The only thing that will help burn fat off your body is a sustained calorie deficit over time. (1700 is probably good, however -- not crazy low unless you are quite active, but low enough if you have a lot to lose.)
I think what seems to happen from what you've said is that you start new diets with excitement, thinking this time it will be different, are carried along by that for a while, and then eventually start missing old foods and habits and you see this as "cravings" not consistent with the promises that you'd never want the things you gave up again, and so give up. Plant based is unlikely to change that, and China Study (which has issues otherwise) has 0 to do with the concerns of a dieter who has trouble sticking to a diet.
That said, if you are enjoying it, good luck. You ARE more likely to succeed if you don't start by cutting crazy low, so that's good. I do recommend watching macros (protein and healthy fats), getting a diverse base of vegetables, different starches, fruit, sources of fat like nuts, seeds, olives, avocados, and supplementing b12 and omega 3 (you can find algae sources -- that's what I did when experimenting with plant based).5 -
Well done Jen for giving it a gojennpinklady wrote: »I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.
I have adopted a full time Whole Food Plant Based lifestyle/diet since Sept 14, after watching "Forks over knives" and "Vegucated" motivated me to get my lazy butt off the sofa - Haven't looked back since having lost a lot of weight and now maintain my BMI in Normal range through sensible eating and exercising 4-5 times a week.
Blood work is all good and stable Max heart rate is 209 and Basic Met rate is 1800 Cals which I'm told is pretty good for a 51 year old!
I no longer take medications and havent been ill for over 12 months- go figure, theres more to WFPB then just losing weight- "Let Food be they Medicine and Medicine be thy food" -Hippocrates
WFPB fills me up and allows me to get creative in the kitchen
Best of luck - Give me a shout if you want a handrail
Darrin
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jennpinklady wrote: »My body is inflamed and sick so I have very little metabolism.
if you have a medical issue, you really should go to a doctor for help with losing weight. Good luck!2 -
jennpinklady wrote: »My body is inflamed and sick so I have very little metabolism.
So was mine, but I didn't stop eating meat and dairy to fix it. I worked with my doctor to find out why instead. It turns out that I have an autoimmune disease. Now that I'm treating it, I haven't had any problem losing weight and keeping it off. (Week, aside from self-control, but that's on me)8 -
The best diet is one you can stick with for the long term, even into maintenance. OP you've got a lot of weight to lose, so this is going to be a long journey for you. In the list of things you've tried you seem to be focusing on restrictive programs that you believe will yield dramatic results, and you seem to be ignoring the common element which is you have good results at first but lose motivation (as many of us do) as time goes on. You have cravings, you fall off the diet, and you blame your body and your metabolism, or the diet, for not working.
With your current plan, I foresee a similar outcome. Follow the advice others have provided in this thread. Eat a balanced and varied diet that includes foods you really enjoy eating, find a moderate, sustainable calorie deficit goal (1.5 - 2 lb/week), log as accurately as you can ideally using a food scale, and continue to exercise if you enjoy it, eating back some of those calories.
Good luck, I hope this time it turns out differently for you.6 -
jennpinklady wrote: »I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.
Translation: "Say what you want but I'm going to completely dismiss your advice and helpful information and I will use my 2 decades of not succeeding in weight loss as validation for my decision to ignore any facts you may present."15 -
jennpinklady wrote: »Thank you all for your comments, most of you had excellent ideas that I can use. I've decided to do pure plant base diet. I count and log all calories here. I keep this log very accurately. I measure and count all calories. I don't believe Oreos are grown in the ground so I won't be eating any of those. Whole grains, fruits and vegetables are what I will eat for 30 days to see how I feel. My food cravings at this time have gone away, I feel my body burning up food now. Has anyone seen the China Study? Really interesting stuff.
"Whole grains" in the form they are typically eaten (breads, pastas, etc) don't grow in the ground either.
Your body already burned up food.
Oreos are vegan.3 -
I hate all of these crockumentaries.
OP, make sure you supplement B-12 as you won't be getting any in your diet.9 -
I've been a vegetarian for 24 years. In that time, I've been smaller than I am now and larger than I am now. I've certainly been less healthy than I am now as well.
Eliminating animal products is not a magic prescription that will cure your illnesses or make you lose weight.
For optimal health, you still need to get a good mix of macro and micronutrients, no matter what your diet includes or excludes.
For weight loss, you still need to create a calorie deficit, no matter what your diet includes or excludes.
I understand how tempting it is to look for the one diet that will make you feel better. I have an autoimmune disorder and have obsessively Googled for hours looking for studies that prove that some kind of eating plan will help my iritis. If you find studies that suggest a strong link between an eating plan that will help with your fibro symptoms, by all means, try that. I'm so sorry, but you're not going to find the answer on Netflix.11
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