Training plan = ok?

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I want to improve my running, I'm worried about running any extra in case I injure. So I thought I'd up my cross training, any suggestions?
Monday am Swim sets - pm run club 6 mile
Tuesday am easy bike with wife - pm recovery run 5 mile
Wednesday am swim sets - pm run club intervals
Thursday am 3 hours easy bike -
Friday am sea swim - pm easy bike
Sat am timed 5k run
Sun am long run 10-15 miles

I have loads of classes available like body pump etc, I don't like weights.
Any suggestions?
I work mon & fri 10-1 and thurs 12-8
TIA

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  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
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    Improve running how? Speed, distance? Presumably from your workout schedule you're training for a tri?
  • andysport1
    andysport1 Posts: 592 Member
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    Improve running how? Speed, distance? Presumably from your workout schedule you're training for a tri?
    Hi, I would like to improve speed for marathon distance, I used to do tri, but due to an accident I can't ride a bike "properly" anymore.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
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    Doesn't your running club have a coach?
  • Meaganinsardinia
    Meaganinsardinia Posts: 42 Member
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    That looks really similar to all the fun activities I do! I am using the Nike beginner half marathon training plan, which is a free pdf online. Strength and mobility training is part of the plan and there is an app for these exercises. I do strength training at least twice a week as per the Australian minimum standard exercise guidelines:

    " Physical Activity Guidelines
    Doing any physical activity is better than doing none. If you currently do no physical activity, start by doing some, and gradually build up to the recommended amount.
    Be active on most, preferably all, days every week.
    Accumulate 150 to 300 minutes (2 ½ to 5 hours) of moderate intensity physical activity or 75 to 150 minutes (1 ¼ to 2 ½ hours) of vigorous intensity physical activity, or an equivalent combination of both moderate and vigorous activities, each week.
    Do muscle strengthening activities on at least 2 days each week."

    My understanding is the strengthening combined with cardio supports our bodies as we age but maybe someone else can explain the science behind that?
  • andysport1
    andysport1 Posts: 592 Member
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    Doesn't your running club have a coach?
    No, they just have route leaders
  • Stockholm_Andy
    Stockholm_Andy Posts: 803 Member
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    @andysport1 To be honest your training program from a running point of view looks balanced and well thought out.

    Monday: Tempo run with the club
    Tuesday: Recovery run
    Wednesday: Intervals
    Saturday: Speed work
    Sunday: Long run

    If you're not improving on that than the only other thing to look at is intensity. Are you pushing yourself enough out of your comfort zone? If you are improving then keep at it.

    What's your current Marathon time and what are you aiming for?

    I'd be careful with all of the additional work if I were you as rest is important to make improvements and avoid injuries.

    How much of a jump in workload is this?

    Also there are a ton of specialist running websites/forums where you'd probably get better and more specific advice. Not to mention just asking the better runners at your club.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
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    andysport1 wrote: »
    Doesn't your running club have a coach?
    No, they just have route leaders

    Ok, I appreciate different geographies but over here you don't get to be an accredited club without at least one coach.

    Anyway, from my perspective, as a marathon and ultra runner, the balance looks a bit dominated by speedwork and your total volume looks a bit low. For a marathon improvement plan I'd see what you're doing as entry level volume, but appreciate your concern about injury risk.

    Your aerobic capacity should be fine given the cycling and swimming, but I would be suggesting a bit more recovery pace, perhaps alternating your tempo and intervals on a weekly basis, and swapping out for easy pace.

    Fwiw my marathon routine has back to backs at the weekend, both >10mi and three short runs in the week of <10mi with one of those being either tempo or intervals
  • BrianSharpe
    BrianSharpe Posts: 9,248 Member
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    My only real concern with the plan is that you're running 5 days straight. presumably your club run is at a decent pace right after your long run rather than any time for recovery.
  • andysport1
    andysport1 Posts: 592 Member
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    @andysport1 To be honest your training program from a running point of view looks balanced and well thought out.

    Monday: Tempo run with the club
    Tuesday: Recovery run
    Wednesday: Intervals
    Saturday: Speed work
    Sunday: Long run

    If you're not improving on that than the only other thing to look at is intensity. Are you pushing yourself enough out of your comfort zone? If you are improving then keep at it.

    What's your current Marathon time and what are you aiming for?

    I'd be careful with all of the additional work if I were you as rest is important to make improvements and avoid injuries.

    How much of a jump in workload is this?

    Also there are a ton of specialist running websites/forums where you'd probably get better and more specific advice. Not to mention just asking the better runners at your club.

    Thanks, I am improving slowly, like most people I'd like a miracle. Marathon currently 4.17 would like sub 4.
    As for increase, the only recent addition is the gentle mountain biking with the wife (i can run quicker), so for me it's a rest/recovery item.
  • andysport1
    andysport1 Posts: 592 Member
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    andysport1 wrote: »
    Doesn't your running club have a coach?
    No, they just have route leaders

    Ok, I appreciate different geographies but over here you don't get to be an accredited club without at least one coach.

    Anyway, from my perspective, as a marathon and ultra runner, the balance looks a bit dominated by speedwork and your total volume looks a bit low. For a marathon improvement plan I'd see what you're doing as entry level volume, but appreciate your concern about injury risk.

    Your aerobic capacity should be fine given the cycling and swimming, but I would be suggesting a bit more recovery pace, perhaps alternating your tempo and intervals on a weekly basis, and swapping out for easy pace.

    Fwiw my marathon routine has back to backs at the weekend, both >10mi and three short runs in the week of <10mi with one of those being either tempo or intervals

    The Monday Club run is currently a social run usually 6 miles at 8.30's to 9mm I could easily add a few miles to this and drop the pace to 9's or 9.30's but is this ok after the Sunday long run ?
  • andysport1
    andysport1 Posts: 592 Member
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    My only real concern with the plan is that you're running 5 days straight. presumably your club run is at a decent pace right after your long run rather than any time for recovery.

    I know my running days are awkward, I haven't the time to long run Saturday so it has to be Sunday, mondays club run, I have a choice of groups 8.30's I struggle a bit, 9's I'm ok with, or I can even go with a 9.30 or 10 min miling groups if I need too.
    Tuesday is a proper recovery at 10-10.30mm

    I'd never thought about the 5 days straight, probably because the week restarts on a Monday
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
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    andysport1 wrote: »
    andysport1 wrote: »
    Doesn't your running club have a coach?
    No, they just have route leaders

    Ok, I appreciate different geographies but over here you don't get to be an accredited club without at least one coach.

    Anyway, from my perspective, as a marathon and ultra runner, the balance looks a bit dominated by speedwork and your total volume looks a bit low. For a marathon improvement plan I'd see what you're doing as entry level volume, but appreciate your concern about injury risk.

    Your aerobic capacity should be fine given the cycling and swimming, but I would be suggesting a bit more recovery pace, perhaps alternating your tempo and intervals on a weekly basis, and swapping out for easy pace.

    Fwiw my marathon routine has back to backs at the weekend, both >10mi and three short runs in the week of <10mi with one of those being either tempo or intervals

    The Monday Club run is currently a social run usually 6 miles at 8.30's to 9mm I could easily add a few miles to this and drop the pace to 9's or 9.30's but is this ok after the Sunday long run ?

    More volume at a lower pace would be more appropriate after your LSR. Assuming that your Parkrun on a Saturday is threshold you're doing three workout runs in a row.

    My back to backs will peak at 16 miles Sat, 20 Sun, so I don't see any issue with doing more distance on Mondays, as long as you keep your pace to close to LSR.

    Fwiw I have to either drop Parkrun, or build it into a longer run when I'm in high volume. 6Km out, 5Km, 6Km back gives me a basis for another 10-15Km in that session, but I have to keep my Parkrun pace low on those days.