Meat and Dairy
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I've lost weight eating steaks and cheese going low carb.5
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The only thing that will help burn fat off your body is a sustained calorie deficit over time. (1700 is probably good, however -- not crazy low unless you are quite active, but low enough if you have a lot to lose.)
I think what seems to happen from what you've said is that you start new diets with excitement, thinking this time it will be different, are carried along by that for a while, and then eventually start missing old foods and habits and you see this as "cravings" not consistent with the promises that you'd never want the things you gave up again, and so give up. Plant based is unlikely to change that, and China Study (which has issues otherwise) has 0 to do with the concerns of a dieter who has trouble sticking to a diet.
That said, if you are enjoying it, good luck. You ARE more likely to succeed if you don't start by cutting crazy low, so that's good. I do recommend watching macros (protein and healthy fats), getting a diverse base of vegetables, different starches, fruit, sources of fat like nuts, seeds, olives, avocados, and supplementing b12 and omega 3 (you can find algae sources -- that's what I did when experimenting with plant based).5 -
Well done Jen for giving it a gojennpinklady wrote: »I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.
I have adopted a full time Whole Food Plant Based lifestyle/diet since Sept 14, after watching "Forks over knives" and "Vegucated" motivated me to get my lazy butt off the sofa - Haven't looked back since having lost a lot of weight and now maintain my BMI in Normal range through sensible eating and exercising 4-5 times a week.
Blood work is all good and stable Max heart rate is 209 and Basic Met rate is 1800 Cals which I'm told is pretty good for a 51 year old!
I no longer take medications and havent been ill for over 12 months- go figure, theres more to WFPB then just losing weight- "Let Food be they Medicine and Medicine be thy food" -Hippocrates
WFPB fills me up and allows me to get creative in the kitchen
Best of luck - Give me a shout if you want a handrail
Darrin
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jennpinklady wrote: »My body is inflamed and sick so I have very little metabolism.
if you have a medical issue, you really should go to a doctor for help with losing weight. Good luck!2 -
jennpinklady wrote: »My body is inflamed and sick so I have very little metabolism.
So was mine, but I didn't stop eating meat and dairy to fix it. I worked with my doctor to find out why instead. It turns out that I have an autoimmune disease. Now that I'm treating it, I haven't had any problem losing weight and keeping it off. (Week, aside from self-control, but that's on me)8 -
The best diet is one you can stick with for the long term, even into maintenance. OP you've got a lot of weight to lose, so this is going to be a long journey for you. In the list of things you've tried you seem to be focusing on restrictive programs that you believe will yield dramatic results, and you seem to be ignoring the common element which is you have good results at first but lose motivation (as many of us do) as time goes on. You have cravings, you fall off the diet, and you blame your body and your metabolism, or the diet, for not working.
With your current plan, I foresee a similar outcome. Follow the advice others have provided in this thread. Eat a balanced and varied diet that includes foods you really enjoy eating, find a moderate, sustainable calorie deficit goal (1.5 - 2 lb/week), log as accurately as you can ideally using a food scale, and continue to exercise if you enjoy it, eating back some of those calories.
Good luck, I hope this time it turns out differently for you.6 -
jennpinklady wrote: »I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.
Translation: "Say what you want but I'm going to completely dismiss your advice and helpful information and I will use my 2 decades of not succeeding in weight loss as validation for my decision to ignore any facts you may present."15 -
jennpinklady wrote: »Thank you all for your comments, most of you had excellent ideas that I can use. I've decided to do pure plant base diet. I count and log all calories here. I keep this log very accurately. I measure and count all calories. I don't believe Oreos are grown in the ground so I won't be eating any of those. Whole grains, fruits and vegetables are what I will eat for 30 days to see how I feel. My food cravings at this time have gone away, I feel my body burning up food now. Has anyone seen the China Study? Really interesting stuff.
"Whole grains" in the form they are typically eaten (breads, pastas, etc) don't grow in the ground either.
Your body already burned up food.
Oreos are vegan.3 -
I hate all of these crockumentaries.
OP, make sure you supplement B-12 as you won't be getting any in your diet.9 -
I've been a vegetarian for 24 years. In that time, I've been smaller than I am now and larger than I am now. I've certainly been less healthy than I am now as well.
Eliminating animal products is not a magic prescription that will cure your illnesses or make you lose weight.
For optimal health, you still need to get a good mix of macro and micronutrients, no matter what your diet includes or excludes.
For weight loss, you still need to create a calorie deficit, no matter what your diet includes or excludes.
I understand how tempting it is to look for the one diet that will make you feel better. I have an autoimmune disorder and have obsessively Googled for hours looking for studies that prove that some kind of eating plan will help my iritis. If you find studies that suggest a strong link between an eating plan that will help with your fibro symptoms, by all means, try that. I'm so sorry, but you're not going to find the answer on Netflix.11 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »jennpinklady wrote: »Thank you all for your comments, most of you had excellent ideas that I can use. I've decided to do pure plant base diet. I count and log all calories here. I keep this log very accurately. I measure and count all calories. I don't believe Oreos are grown in the ground so I won't be eating any of those. Whole grains, fruits and vegetables are what I will eat for 30 days to see how I feel. My food cravings at this time have gone away, I feel my body burning up food now. Has anyone seen the China Study? Really interesting stuff.
"Whole grains" in the form they are typically eaten (breads, pastas, etc) don't grow in the ground either.
Your body already burned up food.
Oreos are vegan.
I knew you'd take exception to someone sullying the reputation of your beloved Oreos!
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I understand everyone has there opinions as I do also. I have been to my doctor regarding my condition and she put me on meds for fibromyalgia. Which I have chronic pain everywhere. I don't want to be obese, I want to be healthy and fit. So as you can see I haven't given up so this is why I keep trying. I realise that fad diets don't work. Hard work and determination will. The craving for food especially in the evening time was very difficult to stop but now that I'm eating vegan it has helped and I have more energy. I believe each person has to decide which foods they eat for there success. Everyone has different body make-up and they know what's best for them.
As for Oreos....enjoy!2 -
jennpinklady wrote: »I understand everyone has there opinions as I do also. I have been to my doctor regarding my condition and she put me on meds for fibromyalgia. Which I have chronic pain everywhere. I don't want to be obese, I want to be healthy and fit. So as you can see I haven't given up so this is why I keep trying. I realise that fad diets don't work. Hard work and determination will. The craving for food especially in the evening time was very difficult to stop but now that I'm eating vegan it has helped and I have more energy. I believe each person has to decide which foods they eat for there success. Everyone has different body make-up and they know what's best for them.
As for Oreos....enjoy!
I have a friend who greatly relieved her fibromyalgia pain by going vegetarian. You are correct that foods don't affect us all in the same manner. Best of luck to you.1 -
jennpinklady wrote: »I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.
how many grams of protein are you planning to eat?0 -
@jennpinklady If Oreos were grown in the ground that would be awesome! I'd have an oreo garden!!!
but they are dairy free! No animal byproducts!
Also, it sounds like it's not a metabolism issue, but a sticking to the diet issue.
I think you just need to start logging your food into your food diary and watch your calories.
Get a food scale and weigh your food so you can enter the proper amount into the food diary.
No matter which diet you choose, the calorie goal is still going to be the same, so if you go over, you'll still gain weight. And a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss
Good luck!
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mrsnattybulking wrote: »jennpinklady wrote: »I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.
how many grams of protein are you planning to eat?
Just get my protein from plants base foods. All plants has proteins including grains. This is how all the animals on our planet survive. If they don't get protein they die.1 -
We love you Jenny. But, you mentioned the China Study. Make sure you do not fall for the videos on the internet. There are many animal rights activists on the internet that are making up lies about meat and dairy. Worst I think is Dr. McGreggor. He is just lie, after lie, after lie.3
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jennpinklady wrote: »mrsnattybulking wrote: »jennpinklady wrote: »I've been over weight for over 20 years, let's see if plant base diet helps me kick the fat off my body.
I also exercise every other day at a gym.
how many grams of protein are you planning to eat?
Just get my protein from plants base foods. All plants has proteins including grains. This is how all the animals on our planet survive. If they don't get protein they die.
Okay, but be aware that humans have specific needs for nutrition that aren't identical to those of some animals. All plants do have protein, but they all have a different collection of amino acids. You'll need an assortment of the different amino acids in order to meet your nutritional needs. Vegans eating a varied diet will tend to get all the different amino acids and meet their protein needs, but it isn't automatic -- especially if you are considering grains as a major source of protein.6 -
Potatoes have all 9 Amino Acids. Eat plenty of these.4
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I'm coming off of a whole foods, plant based experiment and my own results with it were pretty disappointing. But, if it's working for you and you're enjoying it then nothing wrong with going this route. Best of luck to you OP as you continue on
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Go Vegan for your health, the animals and the planet. There's no reason not to go vegan really.6
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babychris1 wrote: »Go Vegan for your health, the animals and the planet. There's no reason not to go vegan really.
My health didn't improve though during my plant based experiment-my cholesterol numbers actually got worse.2 -
Jennpinklady, as a vegan myself I support anyone going plant-based, but I want to caution you that it may not be as easy as "fruits, veggies, and whole grains", and many people who adopt a WFPB diet without proper research fail to thrive and don't maintain it. You need to determine your nutritional needs and come up with a way to ensure you are meeting them, which can be difficult if you are in a calorie deficit (which you must be in order to lose weight)
While you are correct that there is protein in most plant foods, it will take some planning and prioritizing to ensure you get enough at a calorie level of 1700 or below. At the very least you will need to be eating a good amount of legumes and beans, and you may need to add slightly processed foods like tofu or tempeh, or more highly processed meat substitutes if you are still short. If you aren't paying attention to protein, it's easy to fall short on a low calorie diet, which opens you up to loss of lean mass and easier regain.
You should also monitor calcium, iron, B12 (if you aren't eating fortified processed foods, you absolutely have to supplement B12), and zinc. It isn't super hard to meet your requirements on a vegan diet, but it does take some planning at first.
I highly recommend joining some of the vegetarian groups on MFP and also checking out reputable vegan nutrition blogs like the vegan RD or the unnatural vegan. You might also try to find some MFP members that eat the way you'd like to, and look at their food diaries for ideas.
I know you are excited, and maybe feeling a bit picked on in this thread, but I hope you will take the advice you've gotten from everyone to heart, and do your homework to make sure that what you choose will be safe, effective, and sustainable for you. Best of luck 10 -
I was vegetarian for five years for ethical rather than nutritional reasons. I also gained 100 pounds in that five years. Eating plant based will not help you lose weight if you are eating too many calories.3
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Congratulations on reading the China Study and seeing the film "Forks over Knives." You are smart to give a plant based diet a try or maybe for life. I've been a vegetarian for over 20 years. The transition takes a couple of months until you get used to new meal ideas, new food shopping. So many foods are improved now as compared to when I turned vegetarian. Non-dairy yogurt is much better....I like Silk but there are other good ones. So many varieties of non-dairy milk now. I think that you will do well and give your health a great boost.5
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Congratulations on reading the China Study and seeing the film "Forks over Knives." You are smart to give a plant based diet a try or maybe for life. I've been a vegetarian for over 20 years. The transition takes a couple of months until you get used to new meal ideas, new food shopping. So many foods are improved now as compared to when I turned vegetarian. Non-dairy yogurt is much better....I like Silk but there are other good ones. So many varieties of non-dairy milk now. I think that you will do well and give your health a great boost.
https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/0 -
jennpinklady wrote: »Done that....my body won't lose when I eat low calories.
Then you're not eating low calories.
Sorry - I know that's not what you want to hear - but it is the truth.
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I think that was misunderstood. I need to correct that statement, I know calorie deficit works as you learn your BMR.0
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Any vegetarians, or those who are open to it, please add me as a friend.0
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jennpinklady wrote: »I think that was misunderstood. I need to correct that statement, I know calorie deficit works as you learn your BMR.
as you learn your BMR?what does that mean? BMR is what your body burns just by being alive and functioning.2
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