Meat and Dairy

Carlos_421 wrote: »

jennpinklady wrote: »

Thank you all for your comments, most of you had excellent ideas that I can use. I've decided to do pure plant base diet. I count and log all calories here. I keep this log very accurately. I measure and count all calories. I don't believe Oreos are grown in the ground so I won't be eating any of those. Whole grains, fruits and vegetables are what I will eat for 30 days to see how I feel. My food cravings at this time have gone away, I feel my body burning up food now. Has anyone seen the China Study? Really interesting stuff.

"Whole grains" in the form they are typically eaten (breads, pastas, etc) don't grow in the ground either.
Your body already burned up food.
Oreos are vegan.

I knew you'd take exception to someone sullying the reputation of your beloved Oreos!

@jennpinklady If Oreos were grown in the ground that would be awesome! I'd have an oreo garden!!!
but they are dairy free! No animal byproducts!


Also, it sounds like it's not a metabolism issue, but a sticking to the diet issue.
I think you just need to start logging your food into your food diary and watch your calories.
Get a food scale and weigh your food so you can enter the proper amount into the food diary.

No matter which diet you choose, the calorie goal is still going to be the same, so if you go over, you'll still gain weight. And a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss


Good luck!

Go Vegan for your health, the animals and the planet. There's no reason not to go vegan really.

Jennpinklady, as a vegan myself I support anyone going plant-based, but I want to caution you that it may not be as easy as "fruits, veggies, and whole grains", and many people who adopt a WFPB diet without proper research fail to thrive and don't maintain it. You need to determine your nutritional needs and come up with a way to ensure you are meeting them, which can be difficult if you are in a calorie deficit (which you must be in order to lose weight)

While you are correct that there is protein in most plant foods, it will take some planning and prioritizing to ensure you get enough at a calorie level of 1700 or below. At the very least you will need to be eating a good amount of legumes and beans, and you may need to add slightly processed foods like tofu or tempeh, or more highly processed meat substitutes if you are still short. If you aren't paying attention to protein, it's easy to fall short on a low calorie diet, which opens you up to loss of lean mass and easier regain.

You should also monitor calcium, iron, B12 (if you aren't eating fortified processed foods, you absolutely have to supplement B12), and zinc. It isn't super hard to meet your requirements on a vegan diet, but it does take some planning at first.

I highly recommend joining some of the vegetarian groups on MFP and also checking out reputable vegan nutrition blogs like the vegan RD or the unnatural vegan. You might also try to find some MFP members that eat the way you'd like to, and look at their food diaries for ideas.

I know you are excited, and maybe feeling a bit picked on in this thread, but I hope you will take the advice you've gotten from everyone to heart, and do your homework to make sure that what you choose will be safe, effective, and sustainable for you. Best of luck

Congratulations on reading the China Study and seeing the film "Forks over Knives." You are smart to give a plant based diet a try or maybe for life. I've been a vegetarian for over 20 years. The transition takes a couple of months until you get used to new meal ideas, new food shopping. So many foods are improved now as compared to when I turned vegetarian. Non-dairy yogurt is much better....I like Silk but there are other good ones. So many varieties of non-dairy milk now. I think that you will do well and give your health a great boost.

jennpinklady wrote: »

Done that....my body won't lose when I eat low calories.

Then you're not eating low calories.

Sorry - I know that's not what you want to hear - but it is the truth.