PCOS- body image and food issues

Anyone else here with PCOS? I'm convinced that this is a large part of my eating issues... I'm ALWAYS hungry, so to maintain a normal/thin figure, I have to log calories and really really watch what I eat. It makes for an obsessive mindset, and can get really frustrating. I guess I'm lucky because I ultimately am able to be a healthy weight despite the PCOS, but it's like a constant battle. And if I stop being super vigilant, I gain everything back in no time, plus more.

I'm determined now that I'm done having my 2 kids that I want to maintain my weight, I guess it will just be harder for me than for the average person with no PCOS or insulin resistance

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  • rumpilovely
    rumpilovely Posts: 1 Member
    Hi
    I am also suffering from pcod,im 26,single. And I have been struggling to lose weight.
    Can u suggest me
    How u are maintaing your weight and how did you lose weight as well.
  • jlbarker1
    jlbarker1 Posts: 3 Member
    I am having a lot of struggles losing the weight with PCOS, I never knew that it could cause me to not loose weight.
  • rhifit
    rhifit Posts: 17 Member
    Hi. I'm having the same issues.
    Due to an estrogen dominance, I was diagnosed with endometrial cancer. The Doctors also told me about the PCOS...but didn't explain anything!
    I've been doing a lot of research, and wow! It's all coming clear now. I had no idea all the effects it has had on my body.
    I'm working on a low-carb diet and tons of exercise. One of my docs said "your body is fighting to keep the weight on"
    Greaaaaaaaaat.
  • rednote49
    rednote49 Posts: 124 Member
    I also have PCOS and it does feel as if my body holds on to weight. For the first 5 weeks of dieting, exercise and weightlifting I lost a total of 0lbs. Yup nothing. But I came into this with the mindset that I am going to lose weight. It's just gonna be at a slower pace than most. And it the reason why I'm sticking to only weighing in every 5 weeks. By my 10th week I'd lost 10lbs. Sure it averages out at a 1lb a week weight loss but it most certainly was not.
  • Raegold
    Raegold Posts: 191 Member
    jemhh wrote: »
    I have PCOS and I'm not completely convinced that it's so different from not having it, as far as losing weight goes. When I lost weight I chose my method (eat less, move more) without focusing on the PCOS part. I ended up eating a moderate level of carbs and exercising 5-6 days a week and I did fine. I have said this a million times but I think that a lot of women with PCOS paint themselves into a corner by slashing calories and exercising like maniacs, which tanks their NEAT calorie burn. Eat in a moderate deficit, get in some activity (including resistance exercise) and focus on the long term rather than looking at your neighbor and thinking she's got it easier than you do.

    Yeah, I know what you mean... I think if you have a defeatist mindset, then you're setting yourself up for failure. I completely agree that a reasonable deficit with healthy macros (I did WW) will be successful. I think my issue is more with managing my hunger. When I'm not BFing, I do lower-ish carbs because the protein and fat help with that. I just wonder if the hunger and rebound weight gain is a PCOS thing or not. My sister is skinny, has always been, and she is just not hungry for a lot of the day (she doesn't have PCOS)... although she does drink a LOT of caffeine and smoke cigarettes, which are obviously appetite suppressants...
  • StarvingDiva
    StarvingDiva Posts: 1,107 Member
    People with PCOS definitely have to workout smarter not harder. I think many people not just those of us with PCOS think we have to spend hours at the gym, and that may be true to get great results but with PCOS, you do have hormonal issues that work differently and putting in that much time at the gym isn't necessarily the cure. Adding in relaxation exercises, like yoga is also helpful for us, to keep cortisol levels down. The hormones are a pain in the *kitten*. We can lose weight, it just takes a little bit of tweaking to find the right combo, and one size doesn't fit all unfortunately since most of us suffer different symptoms and one month I could have higher testosterone, and the next be perfectly balanced according to "testing" and ovulate and what not. It's a frustrating chronic condition that you need to learn to work around. For me low carb seems to work the best, but it is truly difficult to stay away from processed carbs, and once they are in the system, it's like a beast trying to maintain, so for me I can't just have a little because a little leads to uncontrollable binging for weeks on it before I can finally reign myself in. Other people can moderately consume pastas or work those things in to their diet for me I just can't seem to do it without going off the rails. It takes a lot of tweaking, just like with everything else where diet is concern, but the gym aspect, I try to just listen to my body. If I am tired and I'm scheduled to do a workout, sometimes I just don't do it and the next day I feel better, and I do my scheduled workout. I used to be obsessive about making sure I got every single workout I scheduled in, and it didn't serve me at all with the scale, and then I would totally crash at some point because I needed the rest.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    edited August 2017
    I like it when I get a woo, it shows someone should be doing some real thinking not just twitching their index finger. They should follow up their belief that life should not be compromised in this way.

    edited to add. Ignorance is bliss.

    A better life is much more blissful believe me, read those links and be ahead of the field to a good life.

    another thought to those ladies who did not/would not click the links

    What are you afraid of reading. You are capable of your own critical analysis, you can accept the science put in front of you or reject it.

    If someone on here told you not to bother with the latest best seller because that person you do not know in real life said it was bad, would not at least open the cover to make your own decision?
  • Raegold
    Raegold Posts: 191 Member
    People with PCOS definitely have to workout smarter not harder. I think many people not just those of us with PCOS think we have to spend hours at the gym, and that may be true to get great results but with PCOS, you do have hormonal issues that work differently and putting in that much time at the gym isn't necessarily the cure. Adding in relaxation exercises, like yoga is also helpful for us, to keep cortisol levels down. The hormones are a pain in the *kitten*. We can lose weight, it just takes a little bit of tweaking to find the right combo, and one size doesn't fit all unfortunately since most of us suffer different symptoms and one month I could have higher testosterone, and the next be perfectly balanced according to "testing" and ovulate and what not. It's a frustrating chronic condition that you need to learn to work around. For me low carb seems to work the best, but it is truly difficult to stay away from processed carbs, and once they are in the system, it's like a beast trying to maintain, so for me I can't just have a little because a little leads to uncontrollable binging for weeks on it before I can finally reign myself in. Other people can moderately consume pastas or work those things in to their diet for me I just can't seem to do it without going off the rails. It takes a lot of tweaking, just like with everything else where diet is concern, but the gym aspect, I try to just listen to my body. If I am tired and I'm scheduled to do a workout, sometimes I just don't do it and the next day I feel better, and I do my scheduled workout. I used to be obsessive about making sure I got every single workout I scheduled in, and it didn't serve me at all with the scale, and then I would totally crash at some point because I needed the rest.

    You are totally right, the relaxation part is key. I have not been getting enough of that!! I used to do yoga and meditation once a week but my favorite studio near me closed
  • ipmac22
    ipmac22 Posts: 74 Member
    My dietitian is not overly supportive of low carb diets for me (also with PCOS), however she explains that the carbs need to be from whole grains as much as possible. Also, us PCOS girls need to be very mindful of sugar intake. Even if eating a natural sugar (fruit) it should not be eaten alone, but instead paired with other foods that contain fiber,protein, fats.

    I've been obsessive when it comes to tracking food and eating healthy for as long as I can remember and I work out pretty hard at least 4 times a week and go to yoga a few times a week as well. For a while, my dietitian was actually worried about how obsessive I was with tracking and trying to eat perfectly, but it is so easy when you are trying so hard and not seeing results to become obsessive about it. It wasn't until I was just recently diagnosed with PCOS and started learning about little tweaks that it started making a difference. I should also mention I was insulin resistant and started metformin also. It's only been a couple weeks so far, but the scale is going down. And this is the first time I've seen consistent losses in a LONG time.

    Good luck with everything and consider talking to a registered dietitian. Many insurance plans cover a few visits a year!
  • Raegold
    Raegold Posts: 191 Member
    ipmac22 wrote: »
    My dietitian is not overly supportive of low carb diets for me (also with PCOS), however she explains that the carbs need to be from whole grains as much as possible. Also, us PCOS girls need to be very mindful of sugar intake. Even if eating a natural sugar (fruit) it should not be eaten alone, but instead paired with other foods that contain fiber,protein, fats.

    I've been obsessive when it comes to tracking food and eating healthy for as long as I can remember and I work out pretty hard at least 4 times a week and go to yoga a few times a week as well. For a while, my dietitian was actually worried about how obsessive I was with tracking and trying to eat perfectly, but it is so easy when you are trying so hard and not seeing results to become obsessive about it. It wasn't until I was just recently diagnosed with PCOS and started learning about little tweaks that it started making a difference. I should also mention I was insulin resistant and started metformin also. It's only been a couple weeks so far, but the scale is going down. And this is the first time I've seen consistent losses in a LONG time.

    Good luck with everything and consider talking to a registered dietitian. Many insurance plans cover a few visits a year!

    Glad you're seeing improvements! I think everyone with PCOS is so different, I guess why it's a 'syndrome'... I was on Metformin for a little while doing fertility treatments, and I was way more hungry and kinda nauseous, I didn't see any weight loss from it. I figure I will eventually be on it again for health reasons when I'm a little older.

  • johnwelk
    johnwelk Posts: 396 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Thank you so much Sunna. Those are some of the very best links anyone could possibly put together.
    Wrong. She posted links about adrenal fatigue, which a fake disease. It's complete pseudoscience.
    General medicine is so far behind the science of why things happen.
    Here's just one example of why your so very wrong:
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v477/n7363/full/nature10353.html?foxtrotcallback=true
    My experience of general medicine is that they tell you, over and over they have all the answers
    No, medicine doesn't claim to have all the answers.
    Looking to the functional side of medicine at the cutting edge of science is often a life saver. One day these things will be taken as normal.
    This might be the funniest and most ignorant statement I've ever read on these boards. Functional medicine is quackery.
    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-the-ultimate-misnomer-in-the-world-of-integrative-medicine/

    But please, humor us, what exactly in Functional medicine is on the cutting edge. Be specific, with proper citaations. I'm sure you'll have excuses why you can't.
  • johnwelk
    johnwelk Posts: 396 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    I like it when I get a woo, it shows someone should be doing some real thinking not just twitching their index finger.
    Yoou should take your own advice.
    They should follow up their belief that life should not be compromised in this way.
    What does this even mean?
    edited to add. Ignorance is bliss.
    You must be very blissful then.
    A better life is much more blissful believe me, read those links and be ahead of the field to a good life.
    Again, those links are pseudoscientific nonsense, nothing to be gained by looking at them.
    another thought to those ladies who did not/would not click the links

    What are you afraid of reading. You are capable of your own critical analysis, you can accept the science put in front of you or reject it.
    The problem is most people aren't very good at critical analysis, like yourself, confirmation bias, expectation bias and post hoc ergo propter hoc get in the way. Most people who reject science do it because it doesn't agree with their narrative, even when the science is correct.
    If someone on here told you not to bother with the latest best seller because that person you do not know in real life said it was bad, would not at least open the cover to make your own decision?
    Herein lies your problem, you confuse opinion with science. They aren't interchangeable.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    Oh John, One forms a critical opinion after one has read all the evidence, this is what scientists do. You and I will never see eye to eye on anything. I fear you are biased.

    I believe given half a chance, all people are capable of takeing decisions and forming opinions and do not need men to tell them, "poor little you, you do not have the critical accumin to decided what is best for you". Row V Wade. Man thought he knew how she should live her life and was told eventually NO. She had an opinion of her own, you may see it right or wrong, its not my decision nor yours its hers which counted. My opinion is different to yours. A woman has the right to chose! I value the work of Mercola. I value the work of Hedberg, I value the work of Kresser and the persons who realised murcury damages health and all the others who have shown moulds can damage your health. Not everyone's body works to the same proforma as the next. There can be adrenal issues without someone having ALS or Cushing's.

    You are talking to someone who has suffered chemical sensitivity, autoimmune conditions, food sensitivities and was house bound, had joint pain and more, who by reading these people and more, consulting someone here in the UK. I now have a life which is worlds apart from the one I was permitted by our general medicine who have their heads in the dark ages. I hope you will laugh at this one, I really do, one doctor told me the pain I was suffering and went to him about, was what should be expected, by a woman in her 40's. Only a few months later I had major surgery for a cancer!! What the heck and if I'd been treated by someone who understood the true interactions of the body, I would not have had cancer in the first place. I have been told this by an eminent Professor.

    What is your problem with people following the links, those links show evidence which is different to that you esteem so highly, exposing your personal bias. For many of us older women for whom every year is even more precious, those links and the doctors you despise because they follow the bodies chain reactions, causations of why things happen, how the adrenal glands impact on the other glands in the endocrine system which puts women into the traumatic situations such as PCOS. Forgive me, you have personal experienced of all that PCOS, rather than second hand explanations. Please Read the works of Chris Kresser, Mark Hedberg, Mercola, who provided the only vitc without bioflavonoids when I needed it. These and the others have a multi factorial approach rather than seeing the body as totally fragmented.

    I have to confess I don't understand one of your statements, some kind of Latin quote I fear, or a line of who knows what. I'm not even going to ask you to translate. If I'm found guilty of bias, for saying read, and come to your own conclusion, so be it. I would be biased if I said, I do not accept your right to use this information or not, as you did: they are entitled to do with their lives as they will.

    You are biased by saying none of the information in the links put forward has any relevance to them. There is a very strong probability some of these ladies are suffering and I mean suffering from things related to adrenal fatigue/insufficiency, in adequate output, and you should do some reading for yourself and follow down the pathways it sets before you, to the ultimate end. Live and learn.

    I don't think I will be back. I stand by the links posted by another, very considerate woman. I know these women are capable of independent critical reading. Please will you give them credit for being able to do so. The person reading a book will come to their own opinion. As they will reading this.

    I have decided to give you the last word. I believe I have shown you to be guilty of bias.
  • johnwelk
    johnwelk Posts: 396 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Oh John, One forms a critical opinion after one has read all the evidence, this is what scientists do. You and I will never see eye to eye on anything. I fear you are biased.
    I admit to being biased to science, you are biased to pseudoscience. I do form critical opinions based on available evidence, you form your opinions based on websites that only agree with your agenda.
    I believe given half a chance, all people are capable of takeing decisions and forming opinions and do not need men to tell them, "poor little you, you do not have the critical accumin to decided what is best for you".
    Nice strawman. Typical of those who peddle pseudoscience, you need to resort to logical fallacies.
    Row V Wade. Man thought he knew how she should live her life and was told eventually NO. She had an opinion of her own, you may see it right or wrong, its not my decision nor yours its hers which counted. My opinion is different to yours. A woman has the right to chose!
    This is a red herring, another logical fallacy. This has nothing at to do with what we are are talking about. Please stay on topic.
    I value the work of Mercola. I value the work of Hedberg, I value the work of Kresser and the persons who realised murcury damages health and all the others who have shown moulds can damage your health.
    Mercola, hedberg and kresser are complete quacks. You actually mentioned in a post above about critical thinking. If you value these clowns then you aren't doing any critical thinking at all, you are just believing what you want to believe because it agrees with your grossly wrong narrative.
    What is your problem with people following the links, those links show evidence which is different to that you esteem so highly, exposing your personal bias.
    Because those links lead people to quack websites. Adrenal fatigue is a fake diagnosis. It was invented in the late 90s by a quack chiropractor, who did no research to back up his fake diagnosis. There is no evidence on those websites. You clearly have no idea what evidence really is. And again, yes I am biased to science.
    Please Read the works of Chris Kresser, Mark Hedberg, Mercola, who provided the only vitc without bioflavonoids when I needed it. These and the others have a multi factorial approach rather than seeing the body as totally fragmented.
    As I said before, those three are quacks, complete jokes. I have no reason to read anything they have to offer as they have been proven wrong many many times. You really need to learn the difference between science and pseudoscience.
    I would be biased if I said, I do not accept your right to use this information or not, as you did: they are entitled to do with their lives as they will.
    Another strawman. I never made any statements to a person's rights. But, again, quite typical of someone with a poor ability to support their argument, especially when their argument is very weak
    You are biased by saying none of the information in the links put forward has any relevance to them.
    No, it's not bias, it's fact. All those links are useless, pseudoscientific nonsense.
    There is a very strong probability some of these ladies are suffering and I mean suffering from things related to adrenal fatigue/insufficiency, in adequate output, and you should do some reading for yourself and follow down the pathways it sets before you, to the ultimate end. Live and learn.
    No one is suffering from adrenal fatigue, it's a fake diagnosis.
    I don't think I will be back.
    Smart move.
    I stand by the links posted by another, very considerate woman.
    Which says alot more about you than it does about me.

  • ipmac22
    ipmac22 Posts: 74 Member
    Raegold wrote: »
    ipmac22 wrote: »
    My dietitian is not overly supportive of low carb diets for me (also with PCOS), however she explains that the carbs need to be from whole grains as much as possible. Also, us PCOS girls need to be very mindful of sugar intake. Even if eating a natural sugar (fruit) it should not be eaten alone, but instead paired with other foods that contain fiber,protein, fats.

    I've been obsessive when it comes to tracking food and eating healthy for as long as I can remember and I work out pretty hard at least 4 times a week and go to yoga a few times a week as well. For a while, my dietitian was actually worried about how obsessive I was with tracking and trying to eat perfectly, but it is so easy when you are trying so hard and not seeing results to become obsessive about it. It wasn't until I was just recently diagnosed with PCOS and started learning about little tweaks that it started making a difference. I should also mention I was insulin resistant and started metformin also. It's only been a couple weeks so far, but the scale is going down. And this is the first time I've seen consistent losses in a LONG time.

    Good luck with everything and consider talking to a registered dietitian. Many insurance plans cover a few visits a year!

    Glad you're seeing improvements! I think everyone with PCOS is so different, I guess why it's a 'syndrome'... I was on Metformin for a little while doing fertility treatments, and I was way more hungry and kinda nauseous, I didn't see any weight loss from it. I figure I will eventually be on it again for health reasons when I'm a little older.

    I've heard that from others, but despite all the hard work with eating right and working out before, I wasn't able to do it, and now I finally feel like my efforts are showing. So far all I can chalk it up to is a combination of the metformin and the tweaks I made nutritionally after learning about the diagnosis. I really would consider talking to a registered dietitian who can go over your specifics to help. A lot of people here have great advice, others not so great, but at the end of the day, as you mention, we are all different. Having a professional take a total look at YOU can make a huge difference.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    Darling John. I've used science and got my life back. I got nowhere with the dinosaurs, As the professor of Immunology told me, your symptoms put you and those like you, pushing the cutting edge of scientific understanding and I went there.

    Don't you realise we have been continuing the debate which is going on in medicine right now. Science works in paradigms I wish yours would let others be heard. Western medicine now know antibiotics etc are a two edged sword they just won't accept the damage they do and have done changing the micro aspects of our health.

    My agenda. the hope that others can experience a similar restoration to health, as I am.

    Your attitude demeans women. Topic of my current post, is you demean women. telling them what not to read, you are not giving women the credit to decide for themselves. OP's topic asking for information.

    I accecp a persons right to read or not. Not that you have a right to say don't read this, because, I the man, have decided you are not capable of critical thought. I, the superior must do it for you.

    The best bit is you will not even read these people yourself because your mind is closed and would rather believe what others have written about these peoples works. Please tell me what precisely do you have difficulty with, please be specific. They have satisfied patients who have benefited from their advice, even advice to overcome an over stressed adrenal output caused by modern day life.

    In standing by the post with the links in, I show I have an enquiring mind, yours on the other hand is closed up tight.

    As I said before you and I will never see eye to eye. I at least give others the opportunity to use their freedom. I made the quote because like him and too many other men, you consider yourself superior to whom so ever you chose, particularly someone you assumed to be a weak and feeble female. I read these Doctors and many scientific papers from teaching hospitals and research institutions. I was determined to get my life back and I have. Had I had the misfortune to listen to you I'd probably be in my final resting place by now not having had the benefit of my, three score years and ten.

    I'll listen to you when you have something to say without shouting at me. I'm not the one shouting. The dying system shouts loudest.
  • johnwelk
    johnwelk Posts: 396 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Don't you realise we have been continuing the debate which is going on in medicine right now. Science works in paradigms I wish yours would let others be heard. Western medicine now know antibiotics etc are a two edged sword they just won't accept the damage they do and have done changing the micro aspects of our health.

    My agenda. the hope that others can experience a similar restoration to health, as I am.
    What does this even mean???
    Your attitude demeans women. Topic of my current post, is you demean women. telling them what not to read, you are not giving women the credit to decide for themselves. OP's topic asking for information.
    Surprise, surprise. Another logical fallacy, in case you're not aware this an ad hominem. Look it up if you don't know what it is. Logical fallacies are most often used by those with poor debate skills, those with weak arguments, and those who have nothing to back up what they say. All three of those descriptions fit you perfectly.

    To the bolded:
    This is a complete fabrication, you are lying. You do realize that people can just go back through this thread and read what I wrote? You do realize that people will see that you are a liar? Now please point out where I was demeaning to women.
    I the man, have decided you are not capable of critical thought. I, the superior must do it for you.
    This statement is priceless, pure gold. You look up to mercola, kreeser, hedberg, and believe in adrenal fatigue, yet I'm the one who is not capable of critical though. That's hilarious.
    The best bit is you will not even read these people yourself because your mind is closed and would rather believe what others have written about these peoples works. Please tell me what precisely do you have difficulty with, please be specific.
    They are quacks, I have seen enough of their pseudoscience and fearmongering, so I don't need to read their nonsense and BS. You ask me to be specific, ok, i'll play along. But first I asked your earlier to clarify something, and of course you ignored. I'll repost it:
    But please, humor us, what exactly in Functional medicine is on the cutting edge. Be specific, with proper citaations. I'm sure you'll have excuses why you can't.

    I'll be very specific, and there are literally hundreds of examples I can give, but here are two:
    Kresser thinks adrenal fatigue exists, even though it doesnt.
    https://chriskresser.com/myth-of-adrenal-fatigue/

    Mercola believes in the scientifically unspported idea of dental amalgam filling causing health problems.
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/11/19/mercury-fillings-risks.aspx

    Now, you be specific with your responses. No logical fallacies, no incoherent, meaningless ramblings. Bring actual data to support what you believe, if you are that superior to me you should be to easily prove it.
    In standing by the post with the links in, I show I have an enquiring mind, yours on the other hand is closed up tight.
    I think the vast majority of people who read this can see that you are living in a dream world.
    As I said before you and I will never see eye to eye. I at least give others the opportunity to use their freedom. I made the quote because like him and too many other men, you consider yourself superior to whom so ever you chose, particularly someone you assumed to be a weak and feeble female.I read these Doctors and many scientific papers from teaching hospitals and research institutions. I was determined to get my life back and I have. Had I had the misfortune to listen to you I'd probably be in my final resting place by now not having had the benefit of my, three score years and ten.
    Again, what are you talking about?
    To the bolded:
    I am not a goverment entity so I can not affect anyone's freedom.
    I in no way shape or form do I consider myself superior to anyone, please give an example where I showed that to be the case, be specific.
    I consider no one to weak or feeble, please give an example where I showed that to be the case, be specific.
    I'll listen to you when you have something to say without shouting at me. I'm not the one shouting. The dying system shouts loudest.
    Again, what are you referring to? Please try to stay on topic and make some sort of sense.

    So I gave you 2 examples like you asked for. If you actually respond, please stay on topic.

    And since I responded to your request please respond to mine:

    What exactly in Functional medicine is on the cutting edge? Be specific, with proper citations.
    How was I demeaning to women? be specific.
    How do I consider myself superior to anyone, please give an example where I showed that to be the case, be specific.
    How do I consider no one to weak or feeble, please give an example where I showed that to be the case, be specific.

    My prediction is that you will address nothing here and just go on some long winded rambling rant. You made the claim that you are superior to me, now prove it. Let's see what you got.
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    edited August 2017
    John... Your very first post on this thread, ignorr these links............. Many have found them helpful, some of these ladies could too.

    I'm saying I'm open to what I read, you on the other hand give me the impression you are not. I'm not convinced you have read the Kresser article beyond the title.

    Kresser, is saying pressures of our modern world is creating issues between endocrine glands giving rise to symptoms. Adrenal fatigue is shorthand for a past understanding and I held to it. HPA axis D, the hypothalamus, pituitary and the adrenal dysfunction is how he prefers it be referred to. In your, link the original link, he says you can find 1800 research items.

    Mercola is saying nothing new in that item, it was given as advice to hypothyroid patients back, mid 20thc.

    Please, just read the articles in full rather than stop where they lay out the general arguments before going on to the science and conclusion. Stick with it to the end and learn something.


    eta.

    BTW - You are shouting again. Your posts come over to me as domineering and say to me, "how dare someone disagree with me", meaning your good self.
  • johnwelk
    johnwelk Posts: 396 Member
    edited August 2017
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    John... Your very first post on this thread, ignorr these links............. Many have found them helpful, some of these ladies could too.
    Highly doubtful anyone would find them helpful as they are complete BS. Pure pseudoscience, total nonsense.
    I'm saying I'm open to what I read, you on the other hand give me the impression you are not. I'm not convinced you have read the Kresser article beyond the title.
    No, you're only open to what agrees with your outrageously ridiculous narrative, nothing else. I'm open to anything, as long as it is backed by science. You have produced nothing to convince me that you even remotely know what science is. What in the world make you think I have not read the kresser article? No need to answer, I'll do it for you. It's because it's a convenient way for you to avoid a debate that you will lose. It's called handwaving, it's a logical fallacy, something that you seem to be an expert in.
    Kresser, is saying pressures of our modern world is creating issues between endocrine glands giving rise to symptoms. Adrenal fatigue is shorthand for a past understanding and I held to it. HPA axis D, the hypothalamus, pituitary and the adrenal dysfunction is how he prefers it be referred to. In your, link the original link, he says you can find 1800 research items.
    You asked for a specific example, I gave you one. I asked for actual data to back up what you say, your response is nonsensical.
    Mercola is saying nothing new in that item, it was given as advice to hypothyroid patients back, mid 20thc.
    Again, you asked for a specific example, I gave you one. I also asked for a response that would include data to support your statement. Your response pathetic, but what else could we expect from you.

    Are these two responses the best you can come up with? You are seriously out of your league.
    Please, just read the articles in full rather than stop where they lay out the general arguments before going on to the science and conclusion. Stick with it to the end and learn something.
    Again, handwaving. Saying I haven't read the article is a convenient way for you to avoid the fact that you have nothing to offer. There is no science in those articles. There is no evidence whatsoever that adrenal fatigue is a real disease, none, zilch, nada, zero.

    eta.
    BTW - You are shouting again. Your posts come over to me as domineering and say to me, "how dare someone disagree with me", meaning your good self.
    Cut it out. How am i shouting? I am not using all caps, which would represent shouting. You need to get thicker skin.
  • amyinthetardis1231
    amyinthetardis1231 Posts: 571 Member
    OP, I also have PCOS with IR, as well as hypothyroid. I've had low/lowish carb suggested to me by my endocrinologist as well as an RD. I wish I'd been ready for it much sooner, because it's actually been pretty helpful in managing my symptoms. I skew my macros toward a lower carb (under 150), higher fat, moderate protein balance and that helps keep my appetite under control. More carbs--whether from fruit, whole grains, or processed pasta--does awaken the hangry beast and my blood sugar gets unhappy. I'm not unhappy eating lower carb, either, so I'm not too worried about maintaining it as a lifestyle when the weight's all gone. It's still a fairly slow process for weight loss, but progress is progress.

    One thing worth considering is that the possibly sole upside of hormone shitshow is that PCOS women have the potential to be beasts in the weight room. Our higher testosterone levels give us a small advantage over non-PCOS women when it comes to building strength. It may even be helpful with recomposition, since that involves building muscle. I don't know if you like lifting weights, but I enjoy it quite a bit and I like feeling like a badass when I lift my bodyweight and more.
  • Raegold
    Raegold Posts: 191 Member
    OP, I also have PCOS with IR, as well as hypothyroid. I've had low/lowish carb suggested to me by my endocrinologist as well as an RD. I wish I'd been ready for it much sooner, because it's actually been pretty helpful in managing my symptoms. I skew my macros toward a lower carb (under 150), higher fat, moderate protein balance and that helps keep my appetite under control. More carbs--whether from fruit, whole grains, or processed pasta--does awaken the hangry beast and my blood sugar gets unhappy. I'm not unhappy eating lower carb, either, so I'm not too worried about maintaining it as a lifestyle when the weight's all gone. It's still a fairly slow process for weight loss, but progress is progress.

    One thing worth considering is that the possibly sole upside of hormone shitshow is that PCOS women have the potential to be beasts in the weight room. Our higher testosterone levels give us a small advantage over non-PCOS women when it comes to building strength. It may even be helpful with recomposition, since that involves building muscle. I don't know if you like lifting weights, but I enjoy it quite a bit and I like feeling like a badass when I lift my bodyweight and more.

    I didn't consider that aspect, that's a cool way to think about it! I actually just started Strong Curves, and I'm really enjoying lifting heavier!