Help! Low b12, low protein intake and lactose intolerance

OK so latest bloods so my b12 is low. Im eating half or less the protein I need every day. The only meats I regularly eat are fish and chicken, im lactose intolerant so no milk, cream, yogurt, or ice cream. I need to up my protein intake. I don't like pulses, nuts, beans or eggs (that includes things made with eggs, people are shocked when I tell them I don't like cake). I've tried protein bars and shakes but the consistency makes me sick. My current plan is as follows:

1. Eat bigger meat portions of fish, chicken. 2. Introduce steak, gammon and bacon/sausages (I'll try)
3. Try skyr yogurt and Greek yogurt (both have reduced lactose so might cause a less violent bowel reaction but I won't continue if I can't leave the house cos I need close proximity to the bathroom)

Any suggestions are most welcome, I want to fix this or im going to get very ill or permanently end up on medication.

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  • Old_Cat_Lady
    Old_Cat_Lady Posts: 1,193 Member
    edited August 2017
    Question: The doctor did not recommend a daily multivitamin? Just curious. Have you ever tried protein drinks made with almond milk? Many people here have said that a daily probiotic has helped them with bowels.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    B12 is very easy to supplement. As you experiment with your diet to include more variety, a supplement could help ensure you don't become deficient.

    Have you ever considered vegetarian meat substitutes? I'm not sure why fish and chicken are the only meats you eat, but it might be worth trying a vegetarian substitute to see if you like it. Many of them are higher protein.

    Protein powder doesn't have to just be used in shakes either. I've added it to granola and oatmeal, people make protein pancakes by adding it to the pancake mix, people use it for "protein fluff" (I don't have a recipe, but you should be able to Google one). If you don't like it in shake form, it may be worth trying one of those options to see if you like it better.
  • froogal
    froogal Posts: 7 Member
    The doctor wants more tests, booked me in for another blood test in 4 weeks. He's also ordered other tests along side the b12 level test. In the mean time im upping my protein levels to see if that fixes the problem as at the moment I feel terrible all the time.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    I agree with taking a supplement and eating more meat.

    Is the egg thing a mental thing? Not liking cake because of eggs is odd since you can't taste them (and cake can easily be made without eggs).
  • froogal
    froogal Posts: 7 Member
    I don't like the taste and consistency of egg. And I just don't like cake, plus cake usually has dairy in or on it. I don't like icing either. Weird I know.
  • tgcakef
    tgcakef Posts: 111 Member
    What about Lactaid milk? It's lactose free. They also have OTC tablets/chewables/drops that contain lactase.
  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    froogal wrote: »
    I don't like the taste and consistency of egg. And I just don't like cake, plus cake usually has dairy in or on it. I don't like icing either. Weird I know.

    I don't think not liking cake is weird. Just siting eggs or dairy as the reason. I've eaten some tasty cakes without either. I don't care much for icing either.
  • bbontheb
    bbontheb Posts: 718 Member
    Can you get B12 shots? Have you been checked for pernicious anemia? I would get lactose-free milk and yogourt. I have great results with lactose-free stuff (as long as it isn't sweetened with say xylitol, sorbitol, etc).

  • Spliner1969
    Spliner1969 Posts: 3,233 Member
    Try protein isolates. They have the lactose removed. Mix with water, that's what I do. As for the B12, simply take a supplement.
  • nowine4me
    nowine4me Posts: 3,985 Member
    I wish I didn't like cake. Give tempeh a whirl.
  • N6314P
    N6314P Posts: 28 Member
    Nutritional yeast. Easily absorbed, inexpensive, great vegan source of B vitamins. If you don't like the taste it can be hidden in a lot of foods.
  • tammierae1976
    tammierae1976 Posts: 2 Member
    I do b12 injection. Some times the body just won't absorb b12. Just out on curiosity do you have problems with fatigue or tingling in your hands or feet, momory (foggy brain - i call it).
  • froogal
    froogal Posts: 7 Member
    My brain has been foggy for a while. Went to doctor but she wanted to give me antidepressants, told her I wasn't depressed, just forgetting stuff and sometimes couldn't get the right words out. But because it was distressing to me she reckoned it was depression. I walked out. New doc only thinks it's b12 cos I requested blood for a baseline health check as I was starting this diet/exercise routine. Bloods showed low b12. Why is depression the go to diagnosis?!!
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,853 Member
    froogal wrote: »
    The doctor wants more tests, booked me in for another blood test in 4 weeks. He's also ordered other tests along side the b12 level test. In the mean time im upping my protein levels to see if that fixes the problem as at the moment I feel terrible all the time.

    Good! Don't take ANY supplements, vitamins or other stuff until then as this will mess up with the results.

    if you are deficient in B12 not due to eating too little meat, but due to not absorbing it then taking any supplements before further testing with not give you a proper diagnosis. B12 from tablets ends up in the blood enough to raise levels, but it needs to be converted to active forms to keep your nerves healthy. People who don't absorb also don't convert too well usually. the only thing that helps is lifelong injections as only this will give you enough B12 that your body needs.

    If you have neurological problems like swollen tongue, pins and needles, your leg giving way when walking then you need injections. Tablets will not do anything as the absorption and conversion rate is too low.

    One more thing with B12: For proper conversion your folate levels need to be high enough, preferentially in the upper third of the range. If it's too low after all the testing ask for 5mg of folic acid on prescription. Otherwise buy some over the counter stuff. In the UK Aldi and Lidl sell 400mcg folic acid for less than 1 pound. You just need to take 12 of those instead of one big one. But again, only start after all the testing as folic acid has an influence on your blood count, and this might convince your doctor you don't need treatment even if you might need it.
  • tammierae1976
    tammierae1976 Posts: 2 Member
    Not depression. For me, when my b12 is low i get really tired (like i have to nap just to get thru the day) sometime 2x a day, my memory/ ability to focus on a task, foggy brain (like forgetting what i went in the next room for) just bone deep tired. I could see where it might get confused with depression. For me i get the pins and needle effect in my arm, legs, feet and hands. I can't take a vitamin because i just wont absorb it, so i take a shot

    Started out 1x month, but needed more. My dr. Didn't think i couldn't really have a need for more that 1x a month, so i went to specialist he upped to 2x month for 2 years and then recently 4x. Month. You should feel better right after the 1st shot, lots more energy, alert, more focused, better memory. I usually start noticing it wear down at around 7 days, but i take the next one at th 7-10 day mark.

    If you do find out your level is too low. The shot is a cheap fix, and you'll see improvement right away. I bet this has you worried, but if you find out your d12 deficient, you'll be amazed how a b12 shot help (and how quickly it does)

    I suggest looking up b12 deficiency. It will help with some answers
  • comptonelizabeth
    comptonelizabeth Posts: 1,701 Member
    I'm lactose intolerant but there are degrees of intolerance;yours may be worse than mine. I use lactose free milk,yoghurt and cheese (almond milk is ok but for me it's too low in calories and calcium) and find I'm OK with unflavoured whey isolate powder. You can mix it with oatmeal if you don't like the texture but I find it has very little taste so fairly easy to get down.
    I also use a b12 supplement which is lactose free and is designed to dissolve under the tongue - apparently it's more readily absorbed that way but idk if that's true!
  • orangegato
    orangegato Posts: 6,572 Member
    Just curious but what was the OP's actual numerical B12 level?
  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    Some people just are simply not able to absorb b12 from their diet. It takes a specific enzyme called the "intrinsic factor", named by the scientist many years ago who'd been researching the cause of b12 deficiency. Its complicated.

    The enzyme should be present in our slaiver, so it is to coat the b 12 in the mouth, before it passes through the stomach to the duodenum where it is absorbed, by the something of Langerhans. Low stomach acid can be a contributory factor.

    My doctors never got past my good haemoglobin results to find as with many people, particularly vegetarians, I need b12 and folate. I know of a product which contains b12, if and folate, its made a real difference. B12 does so many jobs in the body.
  • Old_Cat_Lady
    Old_Cat_Lady Posts: 1,193 Member
    Here is a list of possible vitamin deficiencies that can cause depression: b3, b6, folic acid, magnesium, zinc, and vitD. A multi will contain these. Don't take it until after your next visit.