Setting Calorie goals correctly

JBizness
JBizness Posts: 9 Member
edited September 2017 in Health and Weight Loss
Hello,

I have started using MFP over the last 15 or so days to track my food intake and I am finding it very helpful (and eye opening).

However, I am really struggling to get my head around whether I have my calorie goal set correctly.

A basic BMR guide has told me to maintain my current weight (100kgs, 168cm, M, 32 years old), I need to be consuming 2065 calories a day. My goal weight at this stage is 80kgs. BMR at 80kgs is 1790 calories. This is only done through a basic online calculator. I have not seen a Doctor or anything like this to get a conclusive BMR.

I would suggest that my lifestyle and job is sedentary (I'm in IT), however I go to gym every day for at least an hour. I track my workouts in Fitocracy (and can provide them if it will help) but roughly speaking do 5 days of strength training, a day of cardio and a day of abs and yoga. General consensus seems to be that it's not worth considering weight training in regards to calories out but surely strength training will increase my maintenance calories? Or am I not understanding this correctly?

Currently I have my calorie goal set to 2000 calories a day, as I felt that if I was able to stick to this I would be at the very least be around maintenance levels but more likely at a slight deficit.

Since logging my intake I have dropped 1.5kgs.

I guess what I'm looking for is confirmation that I have set my calorie goals correctly, or if I haven't some tips on how I could be more accurate in setting this.

I apologise if there is already a sticky about this, and appreciate any input.

I have also set my diary to public if anyone wants to have a look (I'm still getting into the swing of making sure I log things correctly and what not but I'm getting much better). I have food scales and feel like my logging is getting fairly accurate now.

Cheers.

Replies

  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    The first bit if weight is probably water. Keep going and see what the scales do over the next 2-4 weeks
  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    You are forgetting that BMR is what your body expends in total rest. Your NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis) and total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) are higher. Your NEAT is around 2800. Then you exercise. I would think 2000 calories is a very good goal for you. Your loss so far is as expected.

    Exercise is good for you but doesn't burn a lot of calories compared to the amount you can cut from your food intake. Focus on logging intake corrrectly, and sticking to exercise you enjoy, going into detail if that is your thing, if not, don't worry.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    edited September 2017
    BMR is an irrelevance apart from being a start point to apply a multiplier get to an approximate TDEE.
    It's your Total Daily Energy Expenditure that is your maintenance number. On here it's expressed as your daily goal + exercise calories when you set your goal to "maintain current weight".

    The activity setting on here excludes exercise remember. Working a desk job (IT) does push you towards a sedentary setting but depends what else you do in your general day to day activities as well. It's just a start point so not worth too much agonising over TBH. You can manually change your goal based on actual results later on.

    Disagree about not logging strength training - an hour would be about 200 - 250 cals (log under cardio section of your diary - search for strength training). If you are calorie counting it makes no sense not to log a significant amount of calories. You would log 250 cals of food wouldn't you? Doing that five days a week and not logging it would badly skew your numbers.

    Will strength training increase maintenance levels? Yes, doing the exercise itself burns calories. That you may have a slightly better body composition as a result has a very minor effect on your calorie needs.

    The initial weight loss isn't a great guide to your fat loss - reducing intake will result in less food in your system and a good chance of losing some water weight.
    Would discard the first two weeks data and then monitor your weight for another couple of weeks to get a better idea by your rate of loss.

    Food logging:
    Don't go by scoops, cups or spoons. They measure volume not weight and the calories in food is in relation to weight.
    That scoop of protein powder could well be very different to the 30g you expect for example.
    You should see how much peanut butter I can get on a spoon!

    It's not actually necessary to be ultra precise but you do need to be consistent. However, if your results over time don't seem to make sense then food logging inaccuracy is the prime suspect.



  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    JBizness wrote: »
    Hello,

    I have started using MFP over the last 15 or so days to track my food intake and I am finding it very helpful (and eye opening).

    However, I am really struggling to get my head around whether I have my calorie goal set correctly.

    A basic BMR guide has told me to maintain my current weight (100kgs, 168cm, M, 32 years old), I need to be consuming 2065 calories a day. My goal weight at this stage is 80kgs. BMR at 80kgs is 1790 calories. This is only done through a basic online calculator. I have not seen a Doctor or anything like this to get a conclusive BMR.

    I would suggest that my lifestyle and job is sedentary (I'm in IT), however I go to gym every day for at least an hour. I track my workouts in Fitocracy (and can provide them if it will help) but roughly speaking do 5 days of strength training, a day of cardio and a day of abs and yoga. General consensus seems to be that it's not worth considering weight training in regards to calories out but surely strength training will increase my maintenance calories? Or am I not understanding this correctly?

    Currently I have my calorie goal set to 2000 calories a day, as I felt that if I was able to stick to this I would be at the very least be around maintenance levels but more likely at a slight deficit.

    Since logging my intake I have dropped 1.5kgs.

    I guess what I'm looking for is confirmation that I have set my calorie goals correctly, or if I haven't some tips on how I could be more accurate in setting this.

    I apologise if there is already a sticky about this, and appreciate any input.

    I have also set my diary to public if anyone wants to have a look (I'm still getting into the swing of making sure I log things correctly and what not but I'm getting much better). I have food scales and feel like my logging is getting fairly accurate now.

    Cheers.

    Dropping 1.5 kg in 2 weeks if you have 20 kg to lose is a bit aggressive, though it may be mostly water. You should aim to lose 0.5% to 1% of bodyweight per week, and towards the lower end of the scale if you have less than 5-10 kg to lose.

    You seem to have a good grasp of the concepts.

    I've found the Most Helpful Posts to be just that:

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300319/most-helpful-posts-general-diet-and-weight-loss-help-must-reads

    Well done for asking in here. Good luck.
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    Oh, and I get the impression you'd appreciate the science and wit of this awesome guy:

    http://physiqonomics.com/articles/
  • JBizness
    JBizness Posts: 9 Member
    Thanks for the prompt and helpful responses everyone.

    Just a few follow ups from all that great info:

    So in essence what I'm trying to deficit from is actually my TDEE?

    If I start to log training in MFP, will I need to lower my calorie limit for the day, or is 2000 a reasonable goal even for a day when I don't exercise? So in essence, on training days my goal would be more like 2,250?

    RE: weight versus cups. Noted. I'll make sure to do that from here on in. Thanks.

    I'm not actually too perturbed about the weight loss at this point. I just wanted to include it so you had all of the relevant information. And I've set my goal at 80kgs because I think it's acheivable and it will give me time to evaluate where I should be when I start getting closer to it (I don't know what I "should" weigh).

    Thanks again for going to the trouble to explain this all to me. I'm sure you've all done it a thousand times before but you've made a difference to my understanding already! :smile:

    And I'm checking that website out now.
  • JBizness
    JBizness Posts: 9 Member
    Also, my logic was to just stay the course (with some adjustments if necessary) unless you all came back and said I was vastly over or undereating.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    So in essence what I'm trying to deficit from is actually my TDEE?
    Yes, TDEE equals maintenance calories.
    (The difference between the many TDEE sites and MyFitnessPal is that TDEE sites attempt to estimate exercise in advance and have you eat an average amount of "exercise calories" every day on a fixed daily allowance.
    MFP attempts to estimate your exercise burns after the event so you end up with a variable daily calorie allowance. Both methods work so it comes down to personal preference although someone with a hugely variable exercise routine, like me, would probably find the MFP method better, ditto for people do endurance cardio which needs fuelling on the day.)

    If I start to log training in MFP, will I need to lower my calorie limit for the day, or is 2000 a reasonable goal even for a day when I don't exercise? So in essence, on training days my goal would be more like 2,250?
    I like food and like fuelling my exercise properly so I would always start high and only adjust downwards if I didn't get the results expected.
    2000 + exercise calories isn't a lot for a 100kg male.




  • Tacklewasher
    Tacklewasher Posts: 7,122 Member
    On the TDEE question, there are 2 ways of doing this. Either the TDEE - 20% or the way MFP is set up.

    MFP works out your estimated NEAT, which excludes exercise specifically. It gives you a calorie number based on your NEAT and desired weight loss. You then add back calories burned exercising and eat those.

    TDEE includes everything, and you work your deficit off this.

    Now MFP works on 500 calories per day deficit to lose 1 lb per week. SO 1,000 cal deficit to lose 2 lbs.

    Most TDEE calculators deduct a percentage off the end total. So while the two methods give the same calorie burn for a week, the deficits can be different (and weight loss can be different). Don't worry but it confused me at first.

    So, the question is which do you use and does it matter. If you weekly activity is pretty consistent, then TDEE seems to work better. It gives you an average calorie limit per day regardless of whether it is a cardio or weights day and a lot of people like that consistency and not having to calculate the daily number. On the other end, some are not consistent (me, but I'm getting better) and so use the MFP and change up their calories every day based on what they did that day.

    Both work and it does come down to personal preference and lifestyle. And, whichever you choose, MFP still works as a great tool for tracking calories. Just set your own goals and don't worry if some days are in the red and others are well under.

    And if all this just confused you, then ignore it and keep doing what you are doing. Track your weight loss over time and shoot for 1% of your weight as a loss per week. Go by your results over a few weeks to decide if you calorie goal is correct.
  • JBizness
    JBizness Posts: 9 Member
    Righto. That's makes perfect sense. Thanks.

    Youre telling me! It certainly doesn't leave much wiggle room because I'm normally very hungry after lifting (hence the shakes). At this stage my lifts haven't plateaued so I figure I'll ride it out till I hit a flat spot and then I'll look at increasing.

    Even then, I think I'd rather get my weight/physique in check and once I'm in order then I can look at increasing muscle mass. But I certainly am enjoying the strength benefits that come along with all this training.
  • JBizness
    JBizness Posts: 9 Member
    On the TDEE question, there are 2 ways of doing this. Either the TDEE - 20% or the way MFP is set up.

    MFP works out your estimated NEAT, which excludes exercise specifically. It gives you a calorie number based on your NEAT and desired weight loss. You then add back calories burned exercising and eat those.

    TDEE includes everything, and you work your deficit off this.

    Now MFP works on 500 calories per day deficit to lose 1 lb per week. SO 1,000 cal deficit to lose 2 lbs.

    Most TDEE calculators deduct a percentage off the end total. So while the two methods give the same calorie burn for a week, the deficits can be different (and weight loss can be different). Don't worry but it confused me at first.

    So, the question is which do you use and does it matter. If you weekly activity is pretty consistent, then TDEE seems to work better. It gives you an average calorie limit per day regardless of whether it is a cardio or weights day and a lot of people like that consistency and not having to calculate the daily number. On the other end, some are not consistent (me, but I'm getting better) and so use the MFP and change up their calories every day based on what they did that day.

    Both work and it does come down to personal preference and lifestyle. And, whichever you choose, MFP still works as a great tool for tracking calories. Just set your own goals and don't worry if some days are in the red and others are well under.

    And if all this just confused you, then ignore it and keep doing what you are doing. Track your weight loss over time and shoot for 1% of your weight as a loss per week. Go by your results over a few weeks to decide if you calorie goal is correct.

    Makes absolute sense. I think I could get away with a TDEE calculator BUT I think I'll do it manually for a while and see how I go. After reading everything everyone has said I went through the setting in MFP and they make a lot more sense now. If anything my goals were set a little on the unders side, but I'd rather that until I'm 100% confident I'm logging correctly.