ORGANIC
SlimSharonSlim
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Hi all, I'm thinking of going organic regarding meat/fish/veg/salad/fruit and anything else i can buy. Plus going sulphur free/organic regarding wine. I live in England does anyone know by going organic that they can say it has made a difference plus how is it on the purse strings?? And do you know of any good red or white wines sulpher free?? Cheers 
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Difference in what?0
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If you feel you have money to burn, go ahead. It's not any more nutritious or "clean" or whatever. It can buy you good conscience, that's all.6
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@ cityruss.............difference in the taste?..........quantity for the price paid?.............whether you thought the food was actually organic or not??..........yes they do lie unfortunately!0
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If you don't have kids to send to college, your mortgage is paid off, and your retirement is in check, go for it. Organic = $$$$$$$$.7
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SlimSharonSlim wrote: »@ cityruss.............difference in the taste?..........quantity for the price paid?.............whether you thought the food was actually organic or not??..........yes they do lie unfortunately!
I have never noticed a difference in the taste -- I've had really good organic produce and really poor organic produce, same as my experience with conventionally grown products.
Unless you find really good deals, the quantity for the price paid is always going to be less if you choose organic.
As to whether or not it's actually organic, there is no way for the end consumer to tell. You just have to decide whether you trust the labeling or not.1 -
I've never noticed a difference in the quality or taste. Try googling glyphosate on crops and then decide if you think it's worth the extra money.0
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whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.10 -
Thank you everyone who has commented and i hope many more do too..............there is so much "food for thought here" get it!? Pardon the pun lol 0
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First off, ignore the USDA list of pesticides used on US organic produce as you are in the UK and most of them are banned under UK law whether you are buying conventional or organic.
Secondly, organic food in the UK does not cost much more than regular food...it's usually only 10p per item at most ( that's 13 cents in US$)
In the US organic is very expensive compared to conventional food...in many cases double the price so the comments about burning money don't really apply either.
I live in the UK as well and I buy organic for some things as I support it as a farming practice. I find the quality to be a bit higher than conventional on average ( not always the case). There is no real nutritional difference between organic and conventional. Organic wines that aren't rubbish are VERY hard to find. I did recently drink an Antinguan Beaujolais that was organic and quite good...but most organic wines are swill. It's such a new market that it's very much trial and error as the critics haven't really gotten around to writing any advice to help with selecting organic wines.
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Also, all GMO foods are banned in the UK, so don't worry about that. If you are concerned about eating meat raised on GMOs, then there is a GMO free app you can download to help. The grocery shop most against GMOs in the food chain is Waitrose. Waitrose is also where you'll find organic foods at great prices...sometimes cheaper than the conventional option.2
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In my humble opinion I think organic is a crock of *kitten*. I think it's just a scheme to get people to pay more money for essentially the same thing.6
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@Macy9336 thank you for that..........no Waitrose don't delivery in my area
...........i've been checking out Tesco, Asda and M&S for organic sulphur free wine ...........and they may have the odd organic but not sulphur free 0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.
Ethylene is naturally given off by tomatoes as they're ripening, so I'm thinking your chart is scaremongering.1 -
If you mean a difference for weight loss, no. It won't make any difference. I got fat eating homegrown organic vegetables, fruits and eggs. Wild game and fish. Organic meats when I can find them. I lost weight eating the same things, but less of them.
Calories are comparable for organic vs. non-organic.0 -
Grow your own, it's cheaper, suplliment with supermarket veg if you need to.5
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.
Ethylene is naturally given off by tomatoes as they're ripening, so I'm thinking your chart is scaremongering.
ditto on some of the rest of that list too - some of those are fairly innocuous in trace amounts. And some people wash produce with dilute bleach (and rinse well)(which is on the list); with all the zinc oxide creams and powders we apply to our skin, we're probably ingesting trace amounts as well (gets on the lips, in the air); lots more of these are regularly used in the household.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.
Ethylene is naturally given off by tomatoes as they're ripening, so I'm thinking your chart is scaremongering.
ditto on some of the rest of that list too - some of those are fairly innocuous in trace amounts. And some people wash produce with dilute bleach (and rinse well)(which is on the list); with all the zinc oxide creams and powders we apply to our skin, we're probably ingesting trace amounts as well (gets on the lips, in the air); lots more of these are regularly used in the household.
You can't wash all pesticides and fertilizers off. They are washed into the soil by rain/watering and picked up the roots so they are all through the plants.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.
Ethylene is naturally given off by tomatoes as they're ripening, so I'm thinking your chart is scaremongering.
ditto on some of the rest of that list too - some of those are fairly innocuous in trace amounts. And some people wash produce with dilute bleach (and rinse well)(which is on the list); with all the zinc oxide creams and powders we apply to our skin, we're probably ingesting trace amounts as well (gets on the lips, in the air); lots more of these are regularly used in the household.
You can't wash all pesticides and fertilizers off. They are washed into the soil by rain/watering and picked up the roots so they are all through the plants.
True. You definitely can't wash away the pesticide in bt GMO crops because the plant actually secretes the pesticide due to genetic modification.3 -
My husband and I tried out this organic group that brings the farm fresh veggies/fruits to your door. Well the lettuce was wilty (sp), there were ants covering the shipment, and most of the fruits were bruised. We were not impressed at all, and I went back to getting my regular priced fruit/veg at the grocery store.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.
Ethylene is naturally given off by tomatoes as they're ripening, so I'm thinking your chart is scaremongering.
ditto on some of the rest of that list too - some of those are fairly innocuous in trace amounts. And some people wash produce with dilute bleach (and rinse well)(which is on the list); with all the zinc oxide creams and powders we apply to our skin, we're probably ingesting trace amounts as well (gets on the lips, in the air); lots more of these are regularly used in the household.
You can't wash all pesticides and fertilizers off. They are washed into the soil by rain/watering and picked up the roots so they are all through the plants.
True. You definitely can't wash away the pesticide in bt GMO crops because the plant actually secretes the pesticide due to genetic modification.
I wasn't talking about GMO, just produce in general. Many plants naturally secrete pesticides.0 -
sandy_taylor13 wrote: »My husband and I tried out this organic group that brings the farm fresh veggies/fruits to your door. Well the lettuce was wilty (sp), there were ants covering the shipment, and most of the fruits were bruised. We were not impressed at all, and I went back to getting my regular priced fruit/veg at the grocery store.
Ah, the pretty fruit phenomenon. The biggest source of waste there is.4 -
I have given up growing lettuce to sell, I would pick it in the morning to sell that day and it'd be wilting with hours. I think it needs to be kept in a fridge.2
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sandy_taylor13 wrote: »My husband and I tried out this organic group that brings the farm fresh veggies/fruits to your door. Well the lettuce was wilty (sp), there were ants covering the shipment, and most of the fruits were bruised. We were not impressed at all, and I went back to getting my regular priced fruit/veg at the grocery store.
Ah, the pretty fruit phenomenon. The biggest source of waste there is.
I like that people are fussy, means I can approach the orchards and fruit shops and get box loads of cheap produce to turn into juice/cider or pig food.0 -
Your health is more at risk from contracting salmonella from the individual who picks your organic food, packs your organic food in 100% recycled packages, and ships it in a 100% renewable-powered vehicle to your local neighborhood organic farmer's market than from any pesticide residues that may exist on mass-market stuff from fields planted and sprayed exclusively with Monsanto products.6
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Aren't all bananas GMO? If not, they would have seeds. Right? In the UK, they have bananas with seeds?
Please correct me if I am wrong so I can learn.Also, all GMO foods are banned in the UK, so don't worry about that. If you are concerned about eating meat raised on GMOs, then there is a GMO free app you can download to help. The grocery shop most against GMOs in the food chain is Waitrose. Waitrose is also where you'll find organic foods at great prices...sometimes cheaper than the conventional option.1 -
Old_Cat_Lady wrote: »Aren't all bananas GMO? If not, they would have seeds. Right? In the UK, they have bananas with seeds?
Please correct me if I am wrong so I can learn.Also, all GMO foods are banned in the UK, so don't worry about that. If you are concerned about eating meat raised on GMOs, then there is a GMO free app you can download to help. The grocery shop most against GMOs in the food chain is Waitrose. Waitrose is also where you'll find organic foods at great prices...sometimes cheaper than the conventional option.
They aren't GMO meaning modified in a lab, but yes ALL plants have been genetically modified in that they've been selectively bred for several thousand of years by humans.
That's why melons with juicey fruit instead of only rind. Or apples that are tasty and sweet. I could go on as there are thousands of examples of how we've changed and bred plants throughout the past.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.
Ethylene is naturally given off by tomatoes as they're ripening, so I'm thinking your chart is scaremongering.
It's meant to be exactly the opposite of that. Lol
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If someone marks who, please state why? I know water-melons have been GMO's to have more juicy "red" otherwise they would be practically all rind.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »whether or not pesticides or gmo are used doesn't define the flavor, quality, or taste of the end product. Actually on the other hand you commonly see organic crops with less flavor, smaller, more imperfect, etc.
Essentially, the entire concept of "organic" farming is bunk. All foods have been processed. All current crops have been genetically modified through selective breeding for thousands of years. Most organic farms produce less crop, more waste, and organic does NOT mean pesticide free. It just means they can use the following pesticides (which are less effective):
Don't get me wrong, i don't like the "image" or the "thought" of pesticides and gmo foods, but regardless of the image i have to stick to the facts. Most conventionally grown crops do not contain enough residual pesticides for it to be dangerous; even the "dirty dozen" the list of foods with the most pesticide residue.
So... my opinion is this. If you live in an area that has a farmers market or local crops build a relationship and support your local farmers. I've found some of the best quality, tasting, and beautiful fruits and vegetables at my local farmers markets.
Ethylene is naturally given off by tomatoes as they're ripening, so I'm thinking your chart is scaremongering.
ditto on some of the rest of that list too - some of those are fairly innocuous in trace amounts. And some people wash produce with dilute bleach (and rinse well)(which is on the list); with all the zinc oxide creams and powders we apply to our skin, we're probably ingesting trace amounts as well (gets on the lips, in the air); lots more of these are regularly used in the household.
You can't wash all pesticides and fertilizers off. They are washed into the soil by rain/watering and picked up the roots so they are all through the plants.
In mentioning the washing, I was referring to the fact that bleach is on their list (not the thoroughness of washing).1
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