I'm deciding to end my Vegan journey after 1 year.
Lavelle1980
Posts: 367 Member
So after a year of going strong with plant based, trying raw, high carb-low fat/protein, and other strategies, I have decided to add Fish into my diet. I noticed that I do not process grains very well and I believe it's the reason for my Chronic Fatigue. Most of the foods causes bloating, and it's a back and forth trying to find the right foods. Yes I still believe it's the healthiest lifestyle, but my body is not accepting it as I like.
I've read and heard several testimonials of high energy and this is something that I Just don't get. I want to be as natural as possible, but B12 is not found in any plants or foods, unless it's fortified. So it makes me think, about how our ancestors really managed. Fish will only make up about 10% of my protein and the rest is plant based.
I have read tons of books and researched everything possible so, nothing is new to me. I just came to the conclusion that our bodies are jacked up from centuries over time.
Any thoughts.
I've read and heard several testimonials of high energy and this is something that I Just don't get. I want to be as natural as possible, but B12 is not found in any plants or foods, unless it's fortified. So it makes me think, about how our ancestors really managed. Fish will only make up about 10% of my protein and the rest is plant based.
I have read tons of books and researched everything possible so, nothing is new to me. I just came to the conclusion that our bodies are jacked up from centuries over time.
Any thoughts.
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Enjoy!
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Keep experimenting until you find what's best for you. I am sure a lot of our ancestors ate plenty of meat and eggs. And let's not forget until recent times our ancestors didn't necessarily live long lives either.... I say do what's good for you keep experimenting till you find the right eating plan.4
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I think most of the ocean is a garbage dump and too much fish is dangerous these days.
Isn’t there b12 in brewers yeast? I thought I read that once, could be wrong.2 -
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I could never go vegan because all protein plant food and many grains severely impact my Crohn's. For some people it helps, just not for us!That's cool that you were willing to try it, and I hope you find what works for you.0
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Bloating, poor digestion and a lack of energy doesn't sound like a healthy lifestyle to me. I would recommend doing more research in to diets that incorporate a wider variety of foods4
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Lavelle, I hardly post (as you can see) in the forum, but as a vegan I would think it a shame for you to giving up a plant based lifestyle (no judging though)
Have you checked your vitamin d? is your b12 low? B12 is just something you'll have to supplement, it is not bad to do so. And don't forget that even omnivores and vegetarians can have a b12 deficiency.
If you have any questions you can message me or I can point you in the direction of some awesome groups.
I hope you'll find whatever works best for you.0 -
Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
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MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
Monkeys have canines and front eyes and they don't eat meat. Do they?
Just whatever bugs they scritch out of their buttholes.4 -
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Lavelle, I hardly post (as you can see) in the forum, but as a vegan I would think it a shame for you to giving up a plant based lifestyle (no judging though)
Have you checked your vitamin d? is your b12 low? B12 is just something you'll have to supplement, it is not bad to do so. And don't forget that even omnivores and vegetarians can have a b12 deficiency.
If you have any questions you can message me or I can point you in the direction of some awesome groups.
I hope you'll find whatever works best for you.
Why embrace a diet that requires supplements to be considered healthy or worthwhile?
It's really pretty easy.
Eat / Live Clean
Train Hard
Manage Stress
Sleep Well
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caco_ethes wrote: »I think most of the ocean is a garbage dump and too much fish is dangerous these days.
Isn’t there b12 in brewers yeast? I thought I read that once, could be wrong.
Brewer's yeast (and nutritional yeast) only have B12 if they are fortified with it. There are no plant sources of B12, so supplementing (or eating fortified foods) is essential for vegans.1 -
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Soul_Radiation wrote: »
Being tired all of the time must wear on you...I would want a really REALLY good philosophical reason to make myself be tired all of the time if you suspect diet is the culprit.
a philosophical reason to justify a diet?
gotta love 1st world issues, right?
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Lavelle, I hardly post (as you can see) in the forum, but as a vegan I would think it a shame for you to giving up a plant based lifestyle (no judging though)
Have you checked your vitamin d? is your b12 low? B12 is just something you'll have to supplement, it is not bad to do so. And don't forget that even omnivores and vegetarians can have a b12 deficiency.
If you have any questions you can message me or I can point you in the direction of some awesome groups.
I hope you'll find whatever works best for you.
Trust me, I understand that I will upset most vegans. I do supplement with Jarrow B12, also their multi b complex and Garden of Eden Raw multi vitamin (added multi vitamin 2 weeks to see if any improvement)... None helped, and I felt miserable with brain fog. Then I'm thinking. If our ancestors couldn't get B12 from plants then they had to obviously get it from fish or meat. However, they didn't eat meat at a high consumption as we do today. I also understand the ethical reasons as well. I loved the grains but hate the feeling it gave me.
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MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »caco_ethes wrote: »MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
Monkeys have canines and front eyes and they don't eat meat. Do they?
Just whatever bugs they scritch out of their buttholes.MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »caco_ethes wrote: »MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
Monkeys have canines and front eyes and they don't eat meat. Do they?
Just whatever bugs they scritch out of their buttholes.
Forgot about *kitten* bugs...you'd think the side eyes would make that venture easier
[ but your Buttholes is ok
well now......
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SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
What about hippos and gorillas? lol0 -
Lavelle1980 wrote: »So after a year of going strong with plant based, trying raw, high carb-low fat/protein, and other strategies, I have decided to add Fish into my diet. I noticed that I do not process grains very well and I believe it's the reason for my Chronic Fatigue. Most of the foods causes bloating, and it's a back and forth trying to find the right foods. Yes I still believe it's the healthiest lifestyle, but my body is not accepting it as I like.
I've read and heard several testimonials of high energy and this is something that I Just don't get. I want to be as natural as possible, but B12 is not found in any plants or foods, unless it's fortified. So it makes me think, about how our ancestors really managed. Fish will only make up about 10% of my protein and the rest is plant based.
I have read tons of books and researched everything possible so, nothing is new to me. I just came to the conclusion that our bodies are jacked up from centuries over time.
Any thoughts.
I commend you on what you have done so far. I have found it is always an experiment until we get it down. Keep experimenting until you find what works for you.0 -
Soul_Radiation wrote: »Well, one of the benefits of meta-cognition is that we don't have to act like our evolutionary ancestors and cousins.
We can do whatever we want. We can have diets for philosophical reasons, or not...
It sounds like you are doing the right thing to make a change, though. Being tired all of the time must wear on you...I would want a really REALLY good philosophical reason to make myself be tired all of the time if you suspect diet is the culprit.
Thanks. I was preaching this Vegan lifestyle to a lot and it has actually helped with a few I known to reverse diabetes. But I couldn't fake it any longer and pretend I felt like a super hero. I still believe in plants as this optimum source, but omega 3's from fish and complete proteins are essential as well as b12 from animals instead of relying on a pill to take each day. Why take pills if it was all natural anyways.3 -
Lavelle1980 wrote: »So after a year of going strong with plant based, trying raw, high carb-low fat/protein, and other strategies, I have decided to add Fish into my diet. I noticed that I do not process grains very well and I believe it's the reason for my Chronic Fatigue. Most of the foods causes bloating, and it's a back and forth trying to find the right foods. Yes I still believe it's the healthiest lifestyle, but my body is not accepting it as I like.
I've read and heard several testimonials of high energy and this is something that I Just don't get. I want to be as natural as possible, but B12 is not found in any plants or foods, unless it's fortified. So it makes me think, about how our ancestors really managed. Fish will only make up about 10% of my protein and the rest is plant based.
I have read tons of books and researched everything possible so, nothing is new to me. I just came to the conclusion that our bodies are jacked up from centuries over time.
Any thoughts.
The best thing to do is talk to your doctor. Maybe you're not getting enough vitamin D, or maybe it is a different reason. Maybe it's because of your diet, or maybe it's not.1 -
Chimps will eat each other@MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
Monkeys have canines and front eyes and they don't eat meat. Do they?
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SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »
Chimps will eat each other@MeeseeksAndDestroy wrote: »SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
Monkeys have canines and front eyes and they don't eat meat. Do they?
Chimps aren't monkeys.1 -
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It makes sense to listen to your body.2
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SomebodyWakeUpHIcks wrote: »Look in the mirror and smile and you'll see two reasons why you should not be vegetarian
1). Your eyes are in the front of your head. You're a hunter. Plant eating animals have eyes on the side of their heads.
2). You have canine teeth. Used to bite and tear meat, not plants .
Humans are plant eating animals. The fact that we eat meat doesn't change the fact that we eat plants.2
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