Strength training women and macros
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Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/0 -
FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...2 -
FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
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I thought it was .8-1.0g per lb of LEAN body weight or .6-.8g per lb of TOTAL body weight. Another place I saw per kg of bodyweight, which changes everything by more than half. No wonder people are confused.1
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FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
now who is being nit picky????
but I can be more nit picky...that link is a blog not an article. ARticle suggests it's in a magazine or study which it is not.
and it put me to sleep and I've been lifting for years...imagine a newbie lifter getting inudated with all that...holy and it told me to eat 150 grams of protein a day...*smh*1 -
Kristen8912 wrote: »Hi all. Beginner to strength training here. What ratio of macros do you do?
I opted for a minimum of 0.8g*[weight in lb at BMI of 25] --> 96 g for me
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Gloriam_Sanguinis wrote: »I just eat clean and healthy food cause I'm to lazy to think about macros.
This. Sometimes I think the rest is splitting a lot of hairs that are unnecessary unless you are competitive elite or, perhaps, trying to cut weight. FWIW, I've been competing almost 10 years. Eating like crap will affect performance but if you eat a well rounded diet you should be good to go.1 -
Kristen8912 wrote: »Hi all. Beginner to strength training here. What ratio of macros do you do?
I opted for a minimum of 0.8g*[weight in lb at BMI of 25] --> 96 g for me
what macro is this? protein I am assume based on previous knowledge but just clarifying.0 -
Kristen8912 wrote: »Hi all. Beginner to strength training here. What ratio of macros do you do?
I opted for a minimum of 0.8g*[weight in lb at BMI of 25] --> 96 g for me
what macro is this? protein I am assume based on previous knowledge but just clarifying.
oops. yes- protein.1 -
FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
now who is being nit picky????
but I can be more nit picky...that link is a blog not an article. ARticle suggests it's in a magazine or study which it is not.
and it put me to sleep and I've been lifting for years...imagine a newbie lifter getting inudated with all that...holy and it told me to eat 150 grams of protein a day...*smh*
article
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So... that being said a blog is a publication and that makes it an article as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the 150g of protein... Jordan Feigenbaum is a Medical Doctor that specializes in power lifting and nutrition and holds one of the top 20 raw totals of all time, I think he might now a little bit about what he talks about. It's not like it's some dude posting broscience on his wordpress page from his mom's basement.
Education & Credentials- Eastern Virginia Medical School- Doctor of Medicine (2016)
- Saint Louis University School of Medicine- Master’s of Anatomy and Physiology (2012)
- Truman State University-Bachelor of Science in Biology (2008)
- Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
- National Strength and Conditioning Association- Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (2008- Present)
- United States of America Weightlifting- Club Coach (2009-Present)
- American College of Sports Medicine- Health and Fitness Specialist (2008-Present)
- CrossFit- Level 1 Instructor (2009-Present)
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Kristen8912 wrote: »Hi all. Beginner to strength training here. What ratio of macros do you do?
I opted for a minimum of 0.8g*[weight in lb at BMI of 25] --> 96 g for me
what macro is this? protein I am assume based on previous knowledge but just clarifying.
oops. yes- protein.
no worries just with the poster being new clarification can help.0 -
..and 35g minimum for fat. (I don't remember what formula I used for that..I think it may have been a percentage of estimated net maintenance calories or net goal calories at the time).
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/many-fat-grams-per-day-4137.html
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FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
now who is being nit picky????
but I can be more nit picky...that link is a blog not an article. ARticle suggests it's in a magazine or study which it is not.
and it put me to sleep and I've been lifting for years...imagine a newbie lifter getting inudated with all that...holy and it told me to eat 150 grams of protein a day...*smh*
article
[ahr-ti-kuh l]
noun
1.
a written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.
publication
[puhb-li-key-shuh n]
noun
1.
the act of publishing a book, periodical, map, piece of music, engraving, or the like.
2.
the act of bringing before the public; announcement.
3.
the state or fact of being published.
4.
something that is published, especially a periodical.
So... that being said a blog is a publication and that makes it an article as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the 150g of protein... Jordan Feigenbaum is a Medical Doctor that specializes in power lifting and nutrition and holds one of the top 20 raw totals of all time, I think he might now a little bit about what he talks about. It's not like it's some dude posting broscience on his wordpress page from his mom's basement.
Education & Credentials- Eastern Virginia Medical School- Doctor of Medicine (2016)
- Saint Louis University School of Medicine- Master’s of Anatomy and Physiology (2012)
- Truman State University-Bachelor of Science in Biology (2008)
- Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
- National Strength and Conditioning Association- Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (2008- Present)
- United States of America Weightlifting- Club Coach (2009-Present)
- American College of Sports Medicine- Health and Fitness Specialist (2008-Present)
- CrossFit- Level 1 Instructor (2009-Present)
and perhaps his recommendations are biased toward power lifters not new folks to strength training...0 -
FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
now who is being nit picky????
but I can be more nit picky...that link is a blog not an article. ARticle suggests it's in a magazine or study which it is not.
and it put me to sleep and I've been lifting for years...imagine a newbie lifter getting inudated with all that...holy and it told me to eat 150 grams of protein a day...*smh*
article
[ahr-ti-kuh l]
noun
1.
a written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.
publication
[puhb-li-key-shuh n]
noun
1.
the act of publishing a book, periodical, map, piece of music, engraving, or the like.
2.
the act of bringing before the public; announcement.
3.
the state or fact of being published.
4.
something that is published, especially a periodical.
So... that being said a blog is a publication and that makes it an article as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the 150g of protein... Jordan Feigenbaum is a Medical Doctor that specializes in power lifting and nutrition and holds one of the top 20 raw totals of all time, I think he might now a little bit about what he talks about. It's not like it's some dude posting broscience on his wordpress page from his mom's basement.
Education & Credentials- Eastern Virginia Medical School- Doctor of Medicine (2016)
- Saint Louis University School of Medicine- Master’s of Anatomy and Physiology (2012)
- Truman State University-Bachelor of Science in Biology (2008)
- Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
- National Strength and Conditioning Association- Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (2008- Present)
- United States of America Weightlifting- Club Coach (2009-Present)
- American College of Sports Medicine- Health and Fitness Specialist (2008-Present)
- CrossFit- Level 1 Instructor (2009-Present)
and perhaps his recommendations are biased toward power lifters not new folks to strength training...
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FYI- For the example female in the article someone posted above, the 150g works out to 1g per lb of goal (maintenance) weight. Majority of the recommendations I've seen are somewhere in the range between 0.8g * lean body mass in lb to 1.0g * goal weight in lb ... the top end of this range would correspond with what is stated in the article.
ETA-on re-check, the 150g was for bulking...his recommendations for recomp, fat loss were higher numbers than that.0 -
FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
now who is being nit picky????
but I can be more nit picky...that link is a blog not an article. ARticle suggests it's in a magazine or study which it is not.
and it put me to sleep and I've been lifting for years...imagine a newbie lifter getting inudated with all that...holy and it told me to eat 150 grams of protein a day...*smh*
article
[ahr-ti-kuh l]
noun
1.
a written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.
publication
[puhb-li-key-shuh n]
noun
1.
the act of publishing a book, periodical, map, piece of music, engraving, or the like.
2.
the act of bringing before the public; announcement.
3.
the state or fact of being published.
4.
something that is published, especially a periodical.
So... that being said a blog is a publication and that makes it an article as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the 150g of protein... Jordan Feigenbaum is a Medical Doctor that specializes in power lifting and nutrition and holds one of the top 20 raw totals of all time, I think he might now a little bit about what he talks about. It's not like it's some dude posting broscience on his wordpress page from his mom's basement.
Education & Credentials- Eastern Virginia Medical School- Doctor of Medicine (2016)
- Saint Louis University School of Medicine- Master’s of Anatomy and Physiology (2012)
- Truman State University-Bachelor of Science in Biology (2008)
- Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
- National Strength and Conditioning Association- Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (2008- Present)
- United States of America Weightlifting- Club Coach (2009-Present)
- American College of Sports Medicine- Health and Fitness Specialist (2008-Present)
- CrossFit- Level 1 Instructor (2009-Present)
and perhaps his recommendations are biased toward power lifters not new folks to strength training...
Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
okay and???
he specializes in powerlifting...and I suspect if he were asked if a new to lifting female needs that much protein he would probably say no...this is for people who are quite serious about their lifting etc.
but again...a new to lifting individual may not be inclined to read such a blog given the opportunity...and it could very well turn them off...
and how many people posted here the same thing I did about 0.8 grams per lb of body weight??? lots...
PS I wonder how he feels about BCAA's now????1 -
FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
now who is being nit picky????
but I can be more nit picky...that link is a blog not an article. ARticle suggests it's in a magazine or study which it is not.
and it put me to sleep and I've been lifting for years...imagine a newbie lifter getting inudated with all that...holy and it told me to eat 150 grams of protein a day...*smh*
article
[ahr-ti-kuh l]
noun
1.
a written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.
publication
[puhb-li-key-shuh n]
noun
1.
the act of publishing a book, periodical, map, piece of music, engraving, or the like.
2.
the act of bringing before the public; announcement.
3.
the state or fact of being published.
4.
something that is published, especially a periodical.
So... that being said a blog is a publication and that makes it an article as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the 150g of protein... Jordan Feigenbaum is a Medical Doctor that specializes in power lifting and nutrition and holds one of the top 20 raw totals of all time, I think he might now a little bit about what he talks about. It's not like it's some dude posting broscience on his wordpress page from his mom's basement.
Education & Credentials- Eastern Virginia Medical School- Doctor of Medicine (2016)
- Saint Louis University School of Medicine- Master’s of Anatomy and Physiology (2012)
- Truman State University-Bachelor of Science in Biology (2008)
- Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
- National Strength and Conditioning Association- Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (2008- Present)
- United States of America Weightlifting- Club Coach (2009-Present)
- American College of Sports Medicine- Health and Fitness Specialist (2008-Present)
- CrossFit- Level 1 Instructor (2009-Present)
and perhaps his recommendations are biased toward power lifters not new folks to strength training...
Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
okay and???
he specializes in powerlifting...and I suspect if he were asked if a new to lifting female needs that much protein he would probably say no...this is for people who are quite serious about their lifting etc.
The book is called: Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training, it is specifically designed for people new to lifting.
but again...a new to lifting individual may not be inclined to read such a blog given the opportunity...and it could very well turn them off...
I said "consider" giving it a read, doesn't mean she has to, I don't care one way or the other. How much one chooses to read and educate themselves is their prerogative.
and how many people posted here the same thing I did about 0.8 grams per lb of body weight??? lots...
I've never disagreed with that metric in any of my comments or post. But having said that, you may want to give this a read:
https://startingstrength.com/article/re_informing_a_misinformed_female_lifter_about_strength_training
Particularly this part:
Fat loss remained her primary goal, so who was I to tell her she could not lose fat and get stronger. After all, she was a novice so it was unlikely that she would get weaker. Becoming a competitive powerlifter was not in her foreseeable future so I figured I would run with it and see where it went. Since a loss in bodyfat requires dietary intervention, I figured, hell, why not try a new dietary approach while we are at it? Barbell Medicine was her next stop in this journey to get strong and lean. Upon reading Jordan Feigenbaum’s “To be a Beast” post, she was initially resistant to Jordan’s approach due to protein recommendations far exceeding what she was clinically trained to recommend. When she converted the protein recommendations from grams per pound to grams per kilogram she looked like she had seen a great white shark. After giving it some thought and realizing that in her 20 years of working at a dialysis center she had never actually seen a patient who had walked in the door because of “too much protein,” she decided to try it out. For the first time in her life, she tracked her macronutrients and stayed within her target range while adding weight to the bar every workout. Needless to say, she did not develop an eating disorder from tracking her nutrient intake. After a few months of training, her bodyweight dropped to 102.8 lbs. at 15.9% bodyfat – again, while adding weight to the bar. She performed HIIT training on her non-lifting days and did not do a single abdominal exercise. Since her last bodyfat test, she actually started adding macros back in and ended up accidentally losing another 0.8 lbs., leaving her at 102 lbs., while still continuing to make linear progress. Her data is outlined below and her linear progress continues.
PS I wonder how he feels about BCAA's now????
He sells a pre/post-workout supplement that contains them...
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/product/gainzzz-rx-watermelon/
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The only thing I worry about is my protein.
I don't have a problem reaching a .35g/1lbs lbm fat minimum or eating cards.
Protein, I aim for 80g a day minimum. That is approximately .8g per lbs body weight and 1g per lbs lbm.
(I actually like to get 100g but that is not possible every day)
I am older and like get my protein in in 3-4 meals of 25-35g at a time as this is said to help with muscle retention etc*.
( *of course it is a lot more sciencey than what I have written, but I can't for the life of me find the paper on sarcopenia that makes reference to this.)
Cheers, h.
ETA: my numbers nay read as low; that is because my maintenance is 100-105 lbs.1 -
FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »FatWithFatness wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »0.8 - 1g per pound of bodyweight.
This
no offence but you both get that this means nothing in relation to the question right?
I feel like you're just being nitpicky here. If you were going to bust someone's balls, why not @TavistockToad for leaving it off of his post instead of someone who simply agreed with him? In which case I guess I could understand since OP said she's a noob.
OP, you might consider giving this article a read:
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/584-2/
because it was agreed with...until such time I didn't feel the need to point it out as I clarified in my post as to what the 0.8 grams was for...
now who is being nit picky????
but I can be more nit picky...that link is a blog not an article. ARticle suggests it's in a magazine or study which it is not.
and it put me to sleep and I've been lifting for years...imagine a newbie lifter getting inudated with all that...holy and it told me to eat 150 grams of protein a day...*smh*
article
[ahr-ti-kuh l]
noun
1.
a written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.
publication
[puhb-li-key-shuh n]
noun
1.
the act of publishing a book, periodical, map, piece of music, engraving, or the like.
2.
the act of bringing before the public; announcement.
3.
the state or fact of being published.
4.
something that is published, especially a periodical.
So... that being said a blog is a publication and that makes it an article as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the 150g of protein... Jordan Feigenbaum is a Medical Doctor that specializes in power lifting and nutrition and holds one of the top 20 raw totals of all time, I think he might now a little bit about what he talks about. It's not like it's some dude posting broscience on his wordpress page from his mom's basement.
Education & Credentials- Eastern Virginia Medical School- Doctor of Medicine (2016)
- Saint Louis University School of Medicine- Master’s of Anatomy and Physiology (2012)
- Truman State University-Bachelor of Science in Biology (2008)
- Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
- National Strength and Conditioning Association- Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (2008- Present)
- United States of America Weightlifting- Club Coach (2009-Present)
- American College of Sports Medicine- Health and Fitness Specialist (2008-Present)
- CrossFit- Level 1 Instructor (2009-Present)
and perhaps his recommendations are biased toward power lifters not new folks to strength training...
Starting Strength- Starting Strength Coach and Seminar Staff Member (2012-Present)
okay and???
he specializes in powerlifting...and I suspect if he were asked if a new to lifting female needs that much protein he would probably say no...this is for people who are quite serious about their lifting etc.
The book is called: Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training, it is specifically designed for people new to lifting.
but again...a new to lifting individual may not be inclined to read such a blog given the opportunity...and it could very well turn them off...
I said "consider" giving it a read, doesn't mean she has to, I don't care one way or the other. How much one chooses to read and educate themselves is their prerogative.
and how many people posted here the same thing I did about 0.8 grams per lb of body weight??? lots...
I've never disagreed with that metric in any of my comments or post. But having said that, you may want to give this a read:
https://startingstrength.com/article/re_informing_a_misinformed_female_lifter_about_strength_training
Particularly this part:
Fat loss remained her primary goal, so who was I to tell her she could not lose fat and get stronger. After all, she was a novice so it was unlikely that she would get weaker. Becoming a competitive powerlifter was not in her foreseeable future so I figured I would run with it and see where it went. Since a loss in bodyfat requires dietary intervention, I figured, hell, why not try a new dietary approach while we are at it? Barbell Medicine was her next stop in this journey to get strong and lean. Upon reading Jordan Feigenbaum’s “To be a Beast” post, she was initially resistant to Jordan’s approach due to protein recommendations far exceeding what she was clinically trained to recommend. When she converted the protein recommendations from grams per pound to grams per kilogram she looked like she had seen a great white shark. After giving it some thought and realizing that in her 20 years of working at a dialysis center she had never actually seen a patient who had walked in the door because of “too much protein,” she decided to try it out. For the first time in her life, she tracked her macronutrients and stayed within her target range while adding weight to the bar every workout. Needless to say, she did not develop an eating disorder from tracking her nutrient intake. After a few months of training, her bodyweight dropped to 102.8 lbs. at 15.9% bodyfat – again, while adding weight to the bar. She performed HIIT training on her non-lifting days and did not do a single abdominal exercise. Since her last bodyfat test, she actually started adding macros back in and ended up accidentally losing another 0.8 lbs., leaving her at 102 lbs., while still continuing to make linear progress. Her data is outlined below and her linear progress continues.
PS I wonder how he feels about BCAA's now????
He sells a pre/post-workout supplement that contains them...
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/product/gainzzz-rx-watermelon/
Not surprised
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-016-0128-9
and considering my feelings on pre workout and supps in general...again I am sure he is a smart man but he is selling his brand and catering to lifters that are not "new" and just starting...unless it's to get them to spend money on what he is selling...
not a fan of that...I am too leary of those who are selling regardless of the quantity of letters behind their name.
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Thanks to all. It appears I definitely need to increase my protein.
And, yes, I am most definitely a newbie. The first time I ever even stepped into a gym was 2 1/2 weeks ago. I'm still learning everything but want to ensure I am doing everything correctly including nutrition.
Thank you for the input.1
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