Is cheese considered a 'bad' fat?
jordanoye101
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Is cheese considered a 'bad' fat.
For example if consumed in moderation like this dish as opposed to a pizza lathered with it.
https://fr-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/00339469/chicken-arrabbiata-marks-spencer
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For example if consumed in moderation like this dish as opposed to a pizza lathered with it.
https://fr-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/00339469/chicken-arrabbiata-marks-spencer
Thanks
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There are no bad fats besides trans fat. You still have to balance your intake so that you get enough of everything every day, and not too much of anything over time. That isn't so hard - eat a varied diet that looks appealing, tastes good and makes you feel good (not virtuous). Obsessing over foods, food groups and nutritions is what makes healthy eating hard. Millions of suffering and struggling people is what makes the media, diet, food, health and fitness industries into billion dollar enterprises - creating a "need", and then offering a "solution".3
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The key word to your post is moderation.
Nothing is bad in moderation. Even a cheese slathered pizza2 -
If cheese is bad, I don't want to be good.17
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Not a "bad" fat really. The amount is what matters.0
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It has small amount of transfats, and significant amounts of saturated fats, which aren't as good for you as polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats, but aren't the end of the world (the transfats in dairy hasn't been shown to have the same negative affects as the transfats added to some processed foods).0
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Cheese fascinates me.. I have a cloudy vague memory of seeing something on the process of aging cheese and it being stored in large air tight rooms in gigantic sizes for years?? Or did I dream It? I wonder how much of their mega chunks accidently go moldy in the aging process?1
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Many foods are processed by microbes, but in a controlled fashion - bread, beer, wine, spirits, cheese, yogurt, coffee, tea, cocoa, sauerkraut, kimchi, kombucha, miso, soy sauce, are just some examples.HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Cheese fascinates me.. I have a cloudy vague memory of seeing something on the process of aging cheese and it being stored in large air tight rooms in gigantic sizes for years?? Or did I dream It? I wonder how much of their mega chunks accidently go moldy in the aging process?2 -
Yeah.. no, I know.. but I was just curious how much loss they have even in that controlled environment0
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Oh, I see... I think it's a tradeoff, just like with cooking - you lose some of the nutrients, but the food becomes easier to digest, so it evens out, or the nutritional value improves, all in all.HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Yeah.. no, I know.. but I was just curious how much loss they have even in that controlled environment0 -
I should watch a cheese documentary tonight. Lol.0
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Be sure to pick one featuring cheese mites
(It's a thing, they actually make the cheese.) 0 -
jordanoye101 wrote: »Is cheese considered a 'bad' fat.
For example if consumed in moderation like this dish as opposed to a pizza lathered with it.
https://fr-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/00339469/chicken-arrabbiata-marks-spencer
Thanks
What's a "bad fat"?
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There are fats that are actively bad for us (artificial trans fats -- not in that much anymore), and what I call "healthy fats" -- sources of fat I think we should try to include in our diets (mostly omega 3, since the average person gets too much omega 6 for the amount of omega 3 consumed, but also some plant based foods that are great sources of fat (avocado, nuts, seeds, olives). Dairy fat is largely saturated fat, which is currently somewhat debated, but I think makes sense to not overdo, but that doesn't mean avoid.
So long story short: yeah, I think including cheese in moderation in your diet (including on the occasional pizza) is fine and healthy. Plus good cheese is amazing, so it adds to quality of life, arguably, and may make a dish that is super healthy extra delicious and enjoyable for you (same with adding some other high cal items in moderation).
If you are interested the Sigma podcast did a roundtable on saturated fats (with some discussion of fats in general). If you download the podcast you can find the episode.2 -
Everything in moderation..1
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WinoGelato wrote: »jordanoye101 wrote: »Is cheese considered a 'bad' fat.
For example if consumed in moderation like this dish as opposed to a pizza lathered with it.
https://fr-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/00339469/chicken-arrabbiata-marks-spencer
Thanks
What's a "bad fat"?
One that talks back5 -
It’s the amount that will getcha. Buy strong flavoured harder cheeses, grate very fine, and put about a quarter what is called for in the recipe.
Cheese is a good sort of bad. Like chocolate.0 -
You should read this WebMD article to get the skinny on fat.
https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/features/skinny-fat-good-fats-bad-fats#10 -
HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Cheese fascinates me.. I have a cloudy vague memory of seeing something on the process of aging cheese and it being stored in large air tight rooms in gigantic sizes for years?? Or did I dream It? I wonder how much of their mega chunks accidently go moldy in the aging process?
Most cheeses are covered in wax or some other air-tight covering to prevent molding while the cheese is being aged. In a good cheese processing plant, there is very little loss due to mold or other contaminants.
As for the original question, if you are afraid of the fat in the cheese, please send me all of the cheese that you have and I will sacrifice myself for the common good and eat it for you!
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I only consider cheese bad if you are lactose intolerant. My BF and I try and limit it if it starts to reek havoc on our digestive systems. But no, it's not bad. No food is BAD. Food is food.1
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HellYeahItsKriss wrote: »Cheese fascinates me.. I have a cloudy vague memory of seeing something on the process of aging cheese and it being stored in large air tight rooms in gigantic sizes for years?? Or did I dream It? I wonder how much of their mega chunks accidently go moldy in the aging process?
Hopefully all of it goes moldy. That's how cheese is made.
It's just got to be the right mold.2 -
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I don't really want to live in a world without cheese.1
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It's lunch time and I was looking at the cheese selections in my fridge. I've got a bar of extra old cheddar, some feta, and a container of cottage cheese. The cheddar has twice the calories of feta for the same size serving. I tend to eat a larger portion of cottage cheese in one sitting, so the calories would be about equal for that (although gram for gram, it's lower). The cheddar has twice the fat of the feta and about five times that of the cottage cheese--with the latter having no trans fat. The cottage cheese has double the protein of the other two; however, it has some sugar that cheddar and feta don't have. Feta is really high in sodium (more than twice as much as the other two).
All in all, I say skip the prepackaged pasta and eat the cheese that you like best. It's a good source of non-meat protein and you will be getting some calcium too.1 -
add wine, I am in1
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Here's the word from Harvard's NutritionSource https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol/:“Good” unsaturated fats — Monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats — lower disease risk. Foods high in good fats include vegetable oils (such as olive, canola, sunflower, soy, and corn), nuts, seeds, and fish.
“Bad” fats — trans fats — increase disease risk, even when eaten in small quantities. Foods containing trans fats are primarily in processed foods made with trans fat from partially hydrogenated oil. Fortunately, trans fats have been eliminated from many of these foods.
Saturated fats, while not as harmful as trans fats, by comparison with unsaturated fats negatively impact health and are best consumed in moderation. Foods containing large amounts of saturated fat include red meat, butter, cheese, and ice cream.
When you cut back on foods like red meat and butter, replace them with fish, beans, nuts, and healthy oils instead of refined carbohydrates.
There is some debate whether limiting consumption of saturated fats is important but the science is really still out on that one. The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fat consumption to 5% or 6% of daily calories or about 13 g of saturated fat in a 2000 calorie/day diet. Recent Japanese research has found that reducing saturated fat below 18 g/day increases strokes. Basically, too much saturated fat can increase likelihood of heart disease and too little can increase likelihood of strokes. No one really knows what an ideal number is.
With this, my guidelines for eating choices are:
-Don't eat any transfats.
-Eat some saturated fat but not too much.
-Eat plenty of mono- and poly-unsaturated fats.
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WinoGelato wrote: »jordanoye101 wrote: »Is cheese considered a 'bad' fat.
For example if consumed in moderation like this dish as opposed to a pizza lathered with it.
https://fr-en.openfoodfacts.org/product/00339469/chicken-arrabbiata-marks-spencer
Thanks
What's a "bad fat"?
One that talks back
I like my cheese sassy.1
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