So here's the thing I don't get about oil..
theflyingartist
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If it's so healthy, why do we use it in excess?
I go to a nearby vegan, gluten free bakery that raves about the health benefits of its ingredients. Well, the only way to get the nutritional information is to buy their cookbook. So I did.
I calculated a few of their recipes on MFP, and soon found out they were using 1-2 cups of oil per batch of their baked goods! Canola oil, in fact!
I mean, geez people. Oil is good for you, I understand. But how come there can't be a 1/2-1/2 situation? Like 1/2 applesauce, 1/2 oil. You don't want your day's worth of fat in one scone! :sick: I don't know, (*chronic lipophobic [fat-fearing]*) maybe it's the hesitation to ingest something so oily and greasy that gets me.
Even seeing french fries in a paper bag grosses me out.
Do you all appreciate oil/fats? If so, what ones do you like to cook with or work with? Also, do you know any good replacements to oil? Thanks :flowerforyou:
I go to a nearby vegan, gluten free bakery that raves about the health benefits of its ingredients. Well, the only way to get the nutritional information is to buy their cookbook. So I did.
I calculated a few of their recipes on MFP, and soon found out they were using 1-2 cups of oil per batch of their baked goods! Canola oil, in fact!
I mean, geez people. Oil is good for you, I understand. But how come there can't be a 1/2-1/2 situation? Like 1/2 applesauce, 1/2 oil. You don't want your day's worth of fat in one scone! :sick: I don't know, (*chronic lipophobic [fat-fearing]*) maybe it's the hesitation to ingest something so oily and greasy that gets me.
Even seeing french fries in a paper bag grosses me out.
Do you all appreciate oil/fats? If so, what ones do you like to cook with or work with? Also, do you know any good replacements to oil? Thanks :flowerforyou:
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the only good oils are coconut oil and EVOO. coconut oil is more ideal for cooking (esp high heat cooking) because it doesn't break down like EVOO does at a high heat.0
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Oh I so get you!! I have a local bakery that is the bombdiggity - and I totally guestimate the calories in their food....I'm sure I am underestimating, but what I"m doing so far is working (lol) so I don't worry too much.
I never ever bake with all oil, even if it's for friends and family. I usually always sub 100% apple sauce (homemade, no sugar added) and sometimes I"ll do 50/50 but mostly it's just a straight sub.
That's what I don't get - I can bake and cook at home, pretty much anything and get less calories and fat then at a restaurant where people are doing this for a profession? I know they say salt and butter make everything better.......but I totally don't agree!0 -
How big is a batch though?
and how many - how often do you eat there foods?0 -
nothing wrong with canola oil *S*
in fact oils in general (olive, canola, avocado etc) are good for you... we 'need' to consume oil
in fact.. just watched a news report about necessity of getting enough oil in your eating plan to prevent hunger pangs and keep brain functioning properly.
everything..in moderation *S*0 -
Yes, I appreciate oils, but you have to use the good ones! Olive oil, canola oil, flaxseed oil, grapeseed...these are some of the good ones. (Coconut oil is actually very high in saturated fat and is what fast food restaurants use to cook their fries.) The thing to understand is that healthy oils are high in monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, which actually clear cholesterol from your arteries and improve your brain health. So while I can understand wanting to decrease your total fat intake and definitely your saturated fat intake, you NEED healthy oils!0
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Right! A healthy recipe is totally subjective! Healthy to me might mean all natural ingredients and low in sugar. Healthy to someone else may mean low calorie & low fat. That's the problem when dining out or buying anything premade!
When it comes to cooking, as you said, I may sub some/all of the oil & butter out of a recipe with no sugar added applesauce, yogurt, pumpkin puree, cottage cheese.... just depends on what I'm making. It can be challenging to adjust to the different textures when you do that: cookies don't crisp well without the sugar and butter.... breads & cakes are more spongy, etc.
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I am a believer in the health benefits of coconut oil. Although, only small amounts, I add coconut oil in baking, cooking and sometimes just a few grams into my protein shakes or stirred into my greek yogurt.0 -
research coconut oil...
http://www.organicfacts.net/organic-oils/organic-coconut-oil/health-benefits-of-coconut-oil.html0 -
Lipids are necessary. Omega-3 fatty acids are necessary. How you get them is up to you.
Personally, I can eat an entire avocado with complete delight, but adding a tablespoon of oil to veggies makes me cringe. I'll eat the skin of fish and chicken with zero guilt, but the condensed fat on the sides of meat makes me sick. It's just my own preferences that dictate how I prefer my fat, and even though I don't add oil or butter to anything, I get plenty of healthy fats in every day directly from the foods I eat.0 -
Amen!
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I use coconut oil for the most of my pan cooking.0
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This might be kind of going off on a tangent, but I am afraid to use oil in anything because it has so many calories. Like when you fry eggs for instance. If you're frying 2 eggs and using one tablespoon of oil that 1 tablespoon is automatically 120 cal. So what , I just ate 140+120 = 260 cal just from eggs? That hardly seems fair. How can oil possibly be healthy if even have just a little bit is automatically a crazy amount of calories. It's not like you're having a bag of chips or cereal. It's really frustrating!0
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First thing, the above poster that said the only good oils are coconut and EVOO is 100% correct. All other vegetable oils become rancid once exposed to heat. Yes coconut oil has saturated fat, but it is not the same as animal saturated fat, it is actually water soluble because it is a medium-chain triglyceride.
Secondly, saturated fat does not deserve the negative attention that it gets, it is good for you. The lipid hypothesis that claimed that sat fat increases cholesterol and increased cholesterol causes heard disease, and therefore saturated fat causes heart disease has been disproven countless times now. And let’s not forget that it was only a hypothesis anyway, not a fact. Since I have switched to an increased sat fat diet months ago, my cholesterol and triglycerides are better than they have ever been. It is hydrogenated products that you have to stay away from, not saturated fat.0 -
This might be kind of going off on a tangent, but I am afraid to use oil in anything because it has so many calories. Like when you fry eggs for instance. If you're frying 2 eggs and using one tablespoon of oil that 1 tablespoon is automatically 120 cal. So what , I just ate 140+120 = 260 cal just from eggs? That hardly seems fair. How can oil possibly be healthy if even have just a little bit is automatically a crazy amount of calories. It's not like you're having a bag of chips or cereal. It's really frustrating!
Calories does not make something unhealthy, and just because something is low calorie doesn’t make it healthy for you. Think of it this way, what is better for you one Oreo or a salmon fillet? Ok, that is an easy one, but what about a bowel of lettuce, nothing else or the same salmon fillet? The salmon would be because it provide greater nutrients even though it is higher calorie. This is the same principle with oils.0 -
I rarely use oil. I mean, rarely. I cook with water. On occasion I might use oil, but it's minimal, then more water. Once in a while I'll make popcorn with coconut oil. I prefer to get my oils from the foods - avocado, olives, nuts. For me, it's much more enjoyable to eat the food and get the fiber and the oil rather than add on calories just for oil.0
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This might be kind of going off on a tangent, but I am afraid to use oil in anything because it has so many calories. Like when you fry eggs for instance. If you're frying 2 eggs and using one tablespoon of oil that 1 tablespoon is automatically 120 cal. So what , I just ate 140+120 = 260 cal just from eggs? That hardly seems fair. How can oil possibly be healthy if even have just a little bit is automatically a crazy amount of calories. It's not like you're having a bag of chips or cereal. It's really frustrating!
I agree that it's not worth adding the calories to fry something; don't fry anything! Cook eggs with PAM or a spray like that. However, I will EAT the heck out of fats! LOVE avocados, nuts, almond butter, peanut butter, olive oil, coconut oil, salmon......
But, I don't like to wast my calories on fat if I can't taste it and appreciate it. I'll add extra virgin olive oil on top of my veggies AFTER I cook them so that I can taste that nice flavor of the oil. Big chunks of avocado on a salad, sandwich or just alongside my lean protein is delish! Almonds in my oatmeal or yogurt, etc. I want to taste my fats!0 -
First thing, the above poster that said the only good oils are coconut and EVOO is 100% correct. All other vegetable oils become rancid once exposed to heat. Yes coconut oil has saturated fat, but it is not the same as animal saturated fat, it is actually water soluble because it is a medium-chain triglyceride.
Secondly, saturated fat does not deserve the negative attention that it gets, it is good for you. The lipid hypothesis that claimed that sat fat increases cholesterol and increased cholesterol causes heard disease, and therefore saturated fat causes heart disease has been disproven countless times now. And let’s not forget that it was only a hypothesis anyway, not a fact. Since I have switched to an increased sat fat diet months ago, my cholesterol and triglycerides are better than they have ever been. It is hydrogenated products that you have to stay away from, not saturated fat.
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Well said! Thanks!0 -
the problem with gf baking is that the flour is so fine (think baking powder fine) that you need to use more liquid than in wheat flour recipes (at least from my experience). The bakery you're going to is probably more concerned with getting as close to the same texture or taste as the wheat flour bakery down the street (or better) and using oil to get there. It's a concession you make. I use water or milk to fill in the gaps in my recipes, but some of them turn out brick hard when I do this.0
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Thank you! I really do appreciate oil, don't get me wrong. Just afraid of it straight up, haha. To mirror a few other posters on this thread, the idea of saute'ing veggies in oil is so GROSS, yet fresh ground peanut butter and guacamole are cravings!
I guess I figure, if you're baking something..most of the time it will turn carcinogenic so DON'T use it.. kind of like your point on rancidity and the heat-to-smoke level on most oils.
I agree, coconut oil is the way to go for baking. Otherwise, I steam and blanch my meals (if they're cooked). I guess it's one of those things where the closer it is to the natural state, the more I would appreciate it. So, eating guacamole as opposed to cold-pressed olive oil that has been processed (even if a little) in order to extract it.0 -
Great point. And yes, any additional liquid added to GF recipes alllways makes them more rock-solid lolthe problem with gf baking is that the flour is so fine (think baking powder fine) that you need to use more liquid than in wheat flour recipes (at least from my experience). The bakery you're going to is probably more concerned with getting as close to the same texture or taste as the wheat flour bakery down the street (or better) and using oil to get there. It's a concession you make. I use water or milk to fill in the gaps in my recipes, but some of them turn out brick hard when I do this.0 -
I think one think to be aware of with oils is there smoke points. That is one reason coconut oil is better for cooking since its smoke point is higher. I also have read that some oils have so much Omega 3 that it would be hard to balance it with Omega 6 and the balance is important. Still trying to get a handle on it all and trying to wean my family away from cooking canola on higher heats and having too much. I was told it was not a good idea or worth it to cook with virgin olive oil but it should be great in salads etc. Some oils are so good for us. You need them. Anyway good question.0
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I'd think almost anything would be better than a "bowel" of lettuce. :laugh:This might be kind of going off on a tangent, but I am afraid to use oil in anything because it has so many calories. Like when you fry eggs for instance. If you're frying 2 eggs and using one tablespoon of oil that 1 tablespoon is automatically 120 cal. So what , I just ate 140+120 = 260 cal just from eggs? That hardly seems fair. How can oil possibly be healthy if even have just a little bit is automatically a crazy amount of calories. It's not like you're having a bag of chips or cereal. It's really frustrating!
Calories does not make something unhealthy, and just because something is low calorie doesn’t make it healthy for you. Think of it this way, what is better for you one Oreo or a salmon fillet? Ok, that is an easy one, but what about a bowel of lettuce, nothing else or the same salmon fillet? The salmon would be because it provide greater nutrients even though it is higher calorie. This is the same principle with oils.0 -
One cup seems quite typical for a batch of cookies or brownies, actually. And we do need fats in our diet. Canola oil, olive oil, etc are healthy and necessary.
I used to be the person who cut all fats out of her diet - I don't like the taste or texture of oils and creams. By using MFP, I realized that I consistently consume far less fat than is required, and this is a problem for important things like cellular structure and brain function. I've been trying to improve, but I keep wanting to use applesauce instead, and feel discouraged by the high calories per serving.
So what I'm saying is a) I'm not sure that it was used to excess in the scenario you mentioned, and b) being lipophobic can be actively damaging, as we need fat in our diet.
Regarding the canola oil discussion, I use canola oil because of the Omega-3 to Omega-6 ratio. This is also why I use olive oil. As a lactose-intolerant vegetarian, I need to watch out for things like this, as I eat very nearly vegan. Also, it looks so pretty and yellow waving in the breeze. Canola is a popular farming crop in my region.0 -
Yes, I appreciate oils, but you have to use the good ones! Olive oil, canola oil, flaxseed oil, grapeseed...these are some of the good ones. (Coconut oil is actually very high in saturated fat and is what fast food restaurants use to cook their fries.) The thing to understand is that healthy oils are high in monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, which actually clear cholesterol from your arteries and improve your brain health. So while I can understand wanting to decrease your total fat intake and definitely your saturated fat intake, you NEED healthy oils!
Actually, this is a little misinformed. PUFAs are a mixed bag, while coconut oil -- saturated fat and all -- is excellent for you.0 -
Yes, I appreciate oils, but you have to use the good ones! Olive oil, canola oil, flaxseed oil, grapeseed...these are some of the good ones. (Coconut oil is actually very high in saturated fat and is what fast food restaurants use to cook their fries.) The thing to understand is that healthy oils are high in monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, which actually clear cholesterol from your arteries and improve your brain health. So while I can understand wanting to decrease your total fat intake and definitely your saturated fat intake, you NEED healthy oils!
Actually, this is a little misinformed. PUFAs are a mixed bag, while coconut oil -- saturated fat and all -- is excellent for you.
I don't appreciate being called "misinformed." Based on MY research, the assertion that coconut oil is "healthy" is "misinformed" - but I would never be so rude as to quote someone and say that. You're entitled to your opinion, based on research, but I will find my own information.0 -
I rarely use oil. I mean, rarely. I cook with water. On occasion I might use oil, but it's minimal, then more water. Once in a while I'll make popcorn with coconut oil. I prefer to get my oils from the foods - avocado, olives, nuts. For me, it's much more enjoyable to eat the food and get the fiber and the oil rather than add on calories just for oil.
That is the healthiest way to do it. You should get as much of your fat from foods as possible. Healthy foods, of course.0 -
Also...the article cited does not list any scientific sources for the data presented. I like to base my opinions on scientific evidence.0
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For sure! I've taken some Nutrition courses and going to enroll in Nutrition Research for my Master's.. I guess I prefer getting my oils and lipids from the raw source: avocados, ground peanuts, ect. When the oil is extracted from the food/plant... it creeps me outYes, I appreciate oils, but you have to use the good ones! Olive oil, canola oil, flaxseed oil, grapeseed...these are some of the good ones. (Coconut oil is actually very high in saturated fat and is what fast food restaurants use to cook their fries.) The thing to understand is that healthy oils are high in monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, which actually clear cholesterol from your arteries and improve your brain health. So while I can understand wanting to decrease your total fat intake and definitely your saturated fat intake, you NEED healthy oils!
Yet whomever invented the idea of extracting that oil is a genius, because many people can utilize that food source.0 -
Also...the article cited does not list any scientific sources for the data presented. I like to base my opinions on scientific evidence.
I Recommend "Perfect Health Diet" by Paul Jaminet Ph.d and Shou-Ching Jaminet, Ph.D.
Good information regarding Coconut Oil and short-chain fats. pp 84-85 has lots of citatations if you need those. Well worth reading.
Good luck with your weight loss.0 -
Also...the article cited does not list any scientific sources for the data presented. I like to base my opinions on scientific evidence.
No, but since you like doing your own research you can look up the individual claims made; I think that is the definition of research. Then you can take all of the individual pieces of information and construct your own opinions.0
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