Keto Lifestyle
freddie3575
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Has anyone tried or started the Keto lifestyle and moved away from the Standard American Diet aka SAD.
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There are about a million posts on here about Keto. Try the search function and you will find more info than you could possibly ever want. And it will be much faster.0
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Keto deserves some research before jumping in. Do yourself a favor and look into it OUTSIDE of MFP before determining it's what you want to do.4
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I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.7 -
You’ll find a lot of people who do keto here: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group1
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You're really trying to ask two questions for the price of one. Keto is not the only alternative to SAD. I have personally had great success by improving my diet without going to any extreme measures. Just not eating all the time, but sticking to regular meals, downsizing my portions, reserving treats for special occasions, having some vegetables for every meal, making fruit a natural part of meals, cooking more from scratch and not being terrified of any foods, food groups or nutrients, planning meals I actually want to eat - in short, some more awareness and a lot less effort, has made it easy to maintain a healthy weight, for the first time ever.7
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Keto is working for me. Yes, it is restrictive of sugary carbs and grains, BUT that is what I needed to get off diabetes meds. The diet has been around since 1920s as a way to treat epilepsy and diabetes. Now, researachers are determining its value for extreme endurance athletes for ultra marathons and the like because you have a greater energy store to draw from when your main energy supply is fat, thus they don't hit the "WALL" like SAD eaters do that burn carbs for energy. (See Dr. Jeff Volek youtube videos for more info). Ultimately you must choose what's best for you and your situation. For more info on keto go to www.dietdoctor.com.5
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I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...6 -
joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.4 -
joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
Some people are keto purists, others have occasional cheat meals, or practice TKD or CKD. It's pretty common in the keto community. Sure, with cheat meals, you're not in a constant state of ketosis, but you are for most of the time. I started without cheat meals but I slowly missed carbs more and more and tried adding cheat meals to help my cravings.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me
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I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.3 -
joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
Some people are keto purists, others have occasional cheat meals, or practice TKD or CKD. It's pretty common in the keto community. Sure, with cheat meals, you're not in a constant state of ketosis, but you are for most of the time. I started without cheat meals but I slowly missed carbs more and more and tried adding cheat meals to help my cravings.
What I'm pointing out is keto IS purist. People often confuse low-carb diets with keto. Not the same thing.2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
Some people are keto purists, others have occasional cheat meals, or practice TKD or CKD. It's pretty common in the keto community. Sure, with cheat meals, you're not in a constant state of ketosis, but you are for most of the time. I started without cheat meals but I slowly missed carbs more and more and tried adding cheat meals to help my cravings.
What I'm pointing out is keto IS purist. People often confuse low-carb diets with keto. Not the same thing.
So me eating 20g or fewer net carbs for the majority a year doesn't qualify me to share my keto experience? Good lord.5 -
joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.
And I stand by my response. You haven't presented a valid argument against it with the exception of "well, what about the time they weren't having cheat meals?". Ok, I'm gonna compare some more fruits for ya...that's like saying "Well sure he murdered someone, what about all those other days he DIDN'T kill someone??". Lol
Wow. You're wondering why I responded yet YOU responded to my response! That's even more of a stretch to fathom.
Oh, I'm not. I guess sarcasm is lost on you along with everything else...?5 -
joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.
Ok, I'm gonna compare some more fruits for ya...that's like saying "Well sure he murdered someone, what about all those other days he DIDN'T kill someone??". Lol
So in your mind, if someone does keto for 10 years, then decides they want to have pizza with their family for dinner one night, then immediately returns to their keto lifestyle for the rest of their life... they're NOT doing keto?
Want me to provide a timeline of when I was strict keto and when I started having cheat meals once a month, then once a week? Maybe you can tell me when exactly I stopped qualifying?
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joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
Some people are keto purists, others have occasional cheat meals, or practice TKD or CKD. It's pretty common in the keto community. Sure, with cheat meals, you're not in a constant state of ketosis, but you are for most of the time. I started without cheat meals but I slowly missed carbs more and more and tried adding cheat meals to help my cravings.
What I'm pointing out is keto IS purist. People often confuse low-carb diets with keto. Not the same thing.
So me eating 20g or fewer net carbs for the majority a year doesn't qualify me to share my keto experience? Good lord.
Not at all; share away. Your initial response didn't indicate how long the cheat meals were for...I was simply pointing out that Keto doesn't allow for that.
I'm not trying to pick on you, just using what you said to illustrate a point.2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.
Ok, I'm gonna compare some more fruits for ya...that's like saying "Well sure he murdered someone, what about all those other days he DIDN'T kill someone??". Lol
So in your mind, if someone does keto for 10 years, then decides they want to have pizza with their family for dinner one night, then immediately returns to their keto lifestyle for the rest of their life... they're NOT doing keto?
Want me to provide a timeline of when I was strict keto and when I started having cheat meals once a month, then once a week? Maybe you can tell me when exactly I stopped qualifying?
No, that's not what you said though! I quote "But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals". You said that with no indication of when it started. So one time over 10 years is a world away from weekly cheat meals which I'm sure you'd agree with.
Your initial response indicated that you thought you were still doing keto while incorporating weekly cheat meals. Don't blame me if you worded it unclear.3 -
I don't do keto, but I also don't eat the SAD. For me, keto would be a non-starter. Things like beans and lentils and potatoes are some of my favorite foods...I certainly wouldn't be enjoying this Italian sausage stuffed red pepper with a wild rice/quinoa blend, mushrooms, and squash if I was doing keto.
I also don't think I could stomach the copious amounts of fat that are consumed on keto...but some people enjoy eating that way.
When I cut weight, I typically do lower carbs but that's namely because my protein and fat stays pretty consistent regardless of my weight management objectives.
You also may consider that just doing low or lower carb vs basically no carb to be a more palatable option.
Do your research...determine whether or not you can actually eat in a certain way for a sustained period of time. Many people who do keto and other diets do so not just for losing weight, but into perpetuity as a way of eating. I've been in maintenance for years, and I still eat the same as when i was losing...just a few hundred more calories.3 -
joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.
Ok, I'm gonna compare some more fruits for ya...that's like saying "Well sure he murdered someone, what about all those other days he DIDN'T kill someone??". Lol
So in your mind, if someone does keto for 10 years, then decides they want to have pizza with their family for dinner one night, then immediately returns to their keto lifestyle for the rest of their life... they're NOT doing keto?
Want me to provide a timeline of when I was strict keto and when I started having cheat meals once a month, then once a week? Maybe you can tell me when exactly I stopped qualifying?
No, that's not what you said though! I quote "But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals". You said that with no indication of when it started. So one time over 10 years is a world away from weekly cheat meals which I'm sure you'd agree with.
Your initial response indicated that you thought you were still doing keto while incorporating weekly cheat meals. Don't blame me if you worded it unclear.
I didn't think I needed to provide a strict timeline while sharing my anecdotal experience.
What about TKD and CKD? Those are forms of a 'keto diet' that feature regular carb-loading. There's plenty of info on them out there.
I think you're assuming that "being in a constant state of nutritional ketosis" and "keto diet" are the exact same thing with no room for variation.3 -
joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.
Ok, I'm gonna compare some more fruits for ya...that's like saying "Well sure he murdered someone, what about all those other days he DIDN'T kill someone??". Lol
So in your mind, if someone does keto for 10 years, then decides they want to have pizza with their family for dinner one night, then immediately returns to their keto lifestyle for the rest of their life... they're NOT doing keto?
Want me to provide a timeline of when I was strict keto and when I started having cheat meals once a month, then once a week? Maybe you can tell me when exactly I stopped qualifying?
No, that's not what you said though! I quote "But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals". You said that with no indication of when it started. So one time over 10 years is a world away from weekly cheat meals which I'm sure you'd agree with.
Your initial response indicated that you thought you were still doing keto while incorporating weekly cheat meals. Don't blame me if you worded it unclear.
I didn't think I needed to provide a strict timeline while sharing my anecdotal experience.
What about TKD and CKD? Those are forms of a 'keto diet' that feature regular carb-loading. There's plenty of info on them out there.
I think you're assuming that "being in a constant state of nutritional ketosis" and "keto diet" are the exact same thing with no room for variation.
All I'm saying is keto doesn't allow for weekly cheat meals.3 -
joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.
Ok, I'm gonna compare some more fruits for ya...that's like saying "Well sure he murdered someone, what about all those other days he DIDN'T kill someone??". Lol
So in your mind, if someone does keto for 10 years, then decides they want to have pizza with their family for dinner one night, then immediately returns to their keto lifestyle for the rest of their life... they're NOT doing keto?
Want me to provide a timeline of when I was strict keto and when I started having cheat meals once a month, then once a week? Maybe you can tell me when exactly I stopped qualifying?
No, that's not what you said though! I quote "But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals". You said that with no indication of when it started. So one time over 10 years is a world away from weekly cheat meals which I'm sure you'd agree with.
Your initial response indicated that you thought you were still doing keto while incorporating weekly cheat meals. Don't blame me if you worded it unclear.
I didn't think I needed to provide a strict timeline while sharing my anecdotal experience.
What about TKD and CKD? Those are forms of a 'keto diet' that feature regular carb-loading. There's plenty of info on them out there.
I think you're assuming that "being in a constant state of nutritional ketosis" and "keto diet" are the exact same thing with no room for variation.
All I'm saying is keto doesn't allow for weekly cheat meals.
By your purely personal, black-and-white opinion. I was a regular member of the reddit keto community for years and I can tell you that by your definition, 75% of us 'weren't actually doing keto'. Either way, it doesn't matter. Let's agree to disagree and I'll go enjoy a bagel.3 -
joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
Some people are keto purists, others have occasional cheat meals, or practice TKD or CKD. It's pretty common in the keto community. Sure, with cheat meals, you're not in a constant state of ketosis, but you are for most of the time. I started without cheat meals but I slowly missed carbs more and more and tried adding cheat meals to help my cravings.
What I'm pointing out is keto IS purist. People often confuse low-carb diets with keto. Not the same thing.
She's sharing why keto didn't work for her. If you notice, she didn't initially eat those carb meals.
Also, it should be noted that Lyle McDonald especially has written extensively on the use of ketogenic diets and using carb refeeding to rebalance depleted hormones.
It sounds like you need a bit more education on how people actually put keto into practice.
OP, before this thread become about this, you had an initial query, and like some other posters, I'd like to address that there are other options besides the all out restriction of a ketogenic diet and what a lot of people call SAD.
Simply making better nutritional choices (abundant vegetables and fruits, lean protein, healthy fats, legumes, and whole grains, eating the correct number of calories for your goals, and incorporating activity into your life, you can achieve a balance that any dietary extreme lacks.
Some people thrive on restriction, but most people don't find it to be a sustainable proposition for weight management.6 -
joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
I don't find comparing keto to veganism is very useful. Keto is a diet, veganism is an ethical position. It's like comparing apples to oranges and it doesn't do justice to either.
Besides, in the post you're responding to we have no idea *when* in the year of keto this person began doing their weekly "cheat meals." It's entirely possible that there was a lengthy period where they were in ketosis consistently and began doing exceptions towards the end of the period. We just can't tell from what is written so declaring they were never on keto seems too hasty.
Well hey, I feel like comparing apples and oranges; try and stop me.
I don't recall where I said they were never on keto...maybe you could helpfully point that out to me? What I said was if you're having weekly cheat meals, that's not keto. Sure, maybe 50 out of 52 weeks they did it perfectly. I was referring to the 2 where cheat meals occurred.
I trust this satisfies you.
Someone shared their experience and you responded with this: "if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto."
If you agreed that they were on keto and it didn't work for them and their needs, not sure why you even felt the need to respond. If you think they were on keto and you simply have a potential disagreement about the duration of the period, what's the point of even bringing that up?
Don't worry yourself about my satisfaction.
Ok, I'm gonna compare some more fruits for ya...that's like saying "Well sure he murdered someone, what about all those other days he DIDN'T kill someone??". Lol
So in your mind, if someone does keto for 10 years, then decides they want to have pizza with their family for dinner one night, then immediately returns to their keto lifestyle for the rest of their life... they're NOT doing keto?
Want me to provide a timeline of when I was strict keto and when I started having cheat meals once a month, then once a week? Maybe you can tell me when exactly I stopped qualifying?
No, that's not what you said though! I quote "But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals". You said that with no indication of when it started. So one time over 10 years is a world away from weekly cheat meals which I'm sure you'd agree with.
Your initial response indicated that you thought you were still doing keto while incorporating weekly cheat meals. Don't blame me if you worded it unclear.
I didn't think I needed to provide a strict timeline while sharing my anecdotal experience.
What about TKD and CKD? Those are forms of a 'keto diet' that feature regular carb-loading. There's plenty of info on them out there.
I think you're assuming that "being in a constant state of nutritional ketosis" and "keto diet" are the exact same thing with no room for variation.
All I'm saying is keto doesn't allow for weekly cheat meals.
By your purely personal, black-and-white opinion. I was a regular member of the reddit keto community for years and I can tell you that by your definition, 75% of us 'weren't actually doing keto'. Either way, it doesn't matter. Let's agree to disagree and I'll go enjoy a bagel.
There's just a ton of science behind doing keto as it's meant to be done...pee stick to measure ketones, etc. I just get annoyed with the bandwagon people think just because they saw a YouTube video on keto, this is some wonder diet and they jump in without knowing any more than "I'm going to eat low carb" when it's much more than that.
That's what was so frustrating about your comments - I did tons of research, bought the pee sticks, tracked carbs meticulously, etc. And just because I wasn't specific enough for your liking, you assumed I was a dumb-dumb who doesn't know what keto is. So maybe next time, keep your assumptions to yourself. And if you don't have something useful to add to the original poster's questions, move along.
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Long story short, I found Keto when I researched a drug suggested to reduce my migraines. It was an anti epileptic and once o realized the connection between epilepsy and migraines(Keto is used to treat some epileptics) I gave it a try. When I stick to it it is amazing! I had to find good alternatives though. Much trial and error have finally come through and I have bread and dessert alternatives that I LOVE not just ones I can tolerate. Now the woe is easy and I feel great with migraines reduced from 13+ per month to one or less.2
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For goodness sake ... keto way of eating here and I had half a baked potato the other night! I am also doing some experiments with myself and downed some caramel M&M's before a run to see how I feel, if it makes a difference to me and also my sugar tolerance. I have done fallen off that keto wagon! *eye roll* No longer a true ketoer I guess. I will miss my badge.1
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joemac1988 wrote: »I did keto for a year. Dropped weight at a good pace, lower hunger levels, stable energy.
But ultimately I found it too restrictive, I just really like carbs. I started giving myself weekly 'cheat meals' to indulge on all the foods I missed, which would end with me having an upset stomach and feeling like crap until the next day. I decided to stop doing keto and regained all the weight I lost.
As far as weight loss goes, all that matters is calories. You don't need to cut out any foods. It's simple and easy to maintain forever.
If you don't like bread, pasta, pizza, potatoes, desserts... then by all means, it may just work for you. But it wasn't sustainable for me.
I'm not trying to start a fight, but if you have weekly 'cheat meals', that, by definition, isn't keto; you're not reaching ketosis. Kinda like saying I'm vegan but eat bacon on the weekends...
This is completely rubbish. A ketogenic diet is any diet which puts the body into ketosis. There is no specified time frame for this.
You are obviously not aware of CKD or TKD diets.4 -
Catawampous wrote: »For goodness sake ... keto way of eating here and I had half a baked potato the other night! I am also doing some experiments with myself and downed some caramel M&M's before a run to see how I feel, if it makes a difference to me and also my sugar tolerance. I have done fallen off that keto wagon! *eye roll* No longer a true ketoer I guess. I will miss my badge.
There's a badge? And I missed it? Oh mannn!
I too am mostly keto and have been for a few years. When I started, I was strictly keto. I now stray into low carb sometimes but I find that more carbs tend to stimulate my appetite which leads me in the direction of more of a SAD type of diet. Staying very low carb helps me control my appetite and cravings. My foods are more whole foods, and healthier.
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The word keto is used too many times in this thread.
There is a $25 fee now for each use (except for me cause I'm the one getting the money)
Pay up.3 -
Hey OP, I eat keto (and plan to permanently) and love it. I've lost 92 lbs this year and went from a women's size 24 to a size 12. Everyone in my family says I've worked hard for it but the truth is it has taken me very, very little effort to drop all this weight.
Personally I have not cheated a single time since I started; if I have food that isn't keto-friendly I have only small amounts to enjoy the flavor but stay within my carb limit. My blood work is excellent and I don't need to supplement electrolytes, which is convenient. BUT experiences on keto vary per person and it doesn't come as easy to everyone.
I agree with previous posters' advice. 1) determine if the kinds of foods you'd eat on keto suit you. If not, it might not be the way of eating for you, 2) check out the low carb groups here on MFP for more detailed info, check the keto subreddit, and research research research before you get started! I don't recommend jumping in without knowing what you're doing.
As with all diets keto isn't for everyone, but it's been a godsend for me and I'm so happy I found it.0
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