Coffee or Diet Coke ?
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I'll add that I never drank a whole lot of soda, but do tend to drink more coffee than is probably good for me (black). So assuming that people overconsume soda and not coffee would be wrong.
I did think I drank too much coffee when I started my weight loss, but for me -- perhaps not for everyone -- cutting back on coffee then too (when it was almost no calories and something I enjoyed) would have likely made my weight loss harder, even though I intended to cut back later (and did -- I cut it out at Lent the following year and then worked on moderating it, although how well I moderate varies).1 -
Can see why you would want to cut down / cut out cream and sugar to save calories but why diet coke or coffee with non fat milk?
A virtually zero calorie and a low calorie drink you enjoy seems really odd things to exclude - a punishment for no good reason.
Don't make weight loss harder than it has to be.
Totally agree with this. I've lost over 50 pounds and I still have my coffee (with splenda and non fat milk) and coke zero every day. I think of these as my 'desserts' so it makes the weight loss easier. Just my 2 cents.
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janejellyroll wrote: »I will never give up coffee. Ever. When I was doing WW back in the day, I phased out cream / milk in my coffee - I never drank it with sugar. It was a transition that took some time, but now - I only occasionally drink coffee with milk - in the form of a latte, and it's a hot liquid dessert, NOT coffee. Coffee to me is hot, strong, and black.
Calories in black coffee are minimal - like 5 per cup or something.
As to Diet Coke - I never liked diet soda. I did phase out regular soda because I didn't feel the calories were worth it. If I want a fizzy drink I drink club soda or seltzer on ice with a squeeze of lemon or lime.
For the record - my good friend "weaned" herself off diet coke - she adored it, drank lots of it every day - but her family convinced her to eliminate it for her health. She has been off it for months - and she is disappointed that she doesn't feel any different than she did while she enjoyed her diet coke. So there's that. I know that's just her experience and your results will vary. But there you go.
I'm in this camp -- I pretty much quit diet soda (I have them occasionally when I'm eating out, but that's it) to save money and the effort of lugging it home from the store and I feel exactly the same.
Heh, one reason I stopped drinking diet coke at home is that it's a hassle/heavy to carry.2 -
I read that as coffee or diet cake... I must be tired. I would still say Diet Coke. You’d have to pry coffee with cream from my cold dead hands.0
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Help what should I give up first coffee with cream and sugar coffee with nonfat milk and equal or Diet Coke ? I want to give up one and then slowly get rid of the other which would you give up first?
I used to drink sugared tea when I was younger. I used a step down approach and now use zero sweetener. However, if sweetened coffee fits in your calorie goals there is no reason to give it up. Me, I drink quite a bit of iced tea, so quitting sweetener was a priority.
Why would you give up Diet Coke? For some, artificial sweetener triggers headaches. It's zero calories so has no effect on weight loss, unless for some reason you think it makes you eat more.0 -
I'm literally drinking a Diet coke right now and had three cups of coffee this morning. I'm down over 40 lbs this year, and have not stopped drinking either one. Take the advice on here and just cut down on the calories in your coffee to make it fit your MFP goals.3
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Depends on your motives. And don't be put off giving up the diet coke just because there are no calories, cutting it out has had longer lasting effects on my ability to lose weight than I would have ever believed possible. Because losing weight is NOT purely a maths game, it's a behavioural shift, and that is harder and slower to do.
I gave up diet coke along with all sweetened and artificially sweetened food for a month. And my taste buds profoundly changed. I can now taste 'Sweet' again. So now for the first time ever in my life, if I fancy something sweet I can eat a pear and feel like I had a treat! Now THAT is a victory! I didn't lose weight, nor did I gain, but I just picked up a valuable weapon in the weight loss battle. Previously, I wouldn't eat strawberries because they tasted sour to me...
I now drink my coffee with no sugar and with coconut milk (only took a few days to adapt, easier than I thought). And never went back to the diet coke, and I was a diet coke fiend! This meant I was drinking less caffeine, none in the afternoon, which then meant my sleep pattern started to sort itself out. Sleeping better meant I was less likely to have days where tiredness turned me into a sugar monster. I used to joke I was immune to caffeine, and just figured I was always active at night because I'm a natural night owl. Who knew...!
Sweeteners also mess with your brain's ability to judge when you've eaten enough. Before cutting out the sweet stuff, I could easily demolish a packet of jaffa cakes in one sitting, now I physically can't, I never thought I would be one of those people, but again, another victory that will help me fight the weight loss dragon. I don't have to use up my willpower wracked in inner turmoil when someone puts out sweet treats.
It might BEGIN with calories, but this journey is so much more nuanced than the calorie counters would have you believe. You might find none of these results occur to you, but you won't know until you give it a go, and you won't die from trying it for say a week, see how you feel. If you miss it too much and are getting no benefits then reintroduce.
THIS is why so many people do Southbeach or low carb. It's not because I think I will magically lose a lot of weight. Its so that I can reset back to normal. So that I am satisfied. Finding satiation without over indulgence is a big piece in the diet battle.5 -
OMG neither. That's just as bad as no wine or beer. Coffee and Diet Coke are the only "luxuries" I have. Other than maybe "wing sauce". LOL
No need to give either up. Diet Coke is no calories so that won't affect your weight. And you can have coffee how you want it, just log it and adjust "other" things. Trust me, along the way I found what foods were worth it, and what foods weren't and Diet Coke and Coffee are WORTH IT!1 -
Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.10
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Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?
Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.13 -
Where'd your info come from?
Do you know there are also people online with arguments for a flat earth and that deny the moon landing?
They're wrong too.10 -
Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.
Everything in your post is 100% wrong, but please do feel free to explain, in physiological terms, how a zero calorie substance can make you gain weight.
(Hint: It can't)
I’m not talking about the calories. I’m talking about the artificial sweeteners11 -
Coffee black with some cinnamon for flavor. Sugar and cream will be converted into fat. No pop at all. Diet pop is actually worse than regular pop because of the fake sugars your body doesn’t know how to break it down so it can actually make u gain weight.
Everything in your post is 100% wrong, but please do feel free to explain, in physiological terms, how a zero calorie substance can make you gain weight.
(Hint: It can't)
Did you seriously just screenshot and pirate someone else's website without attribution and without linking to their sources?11 -
Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
You can also buy non-organic half and half that is only milk and cream.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?
Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.
Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.
Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?10 -
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janejellyroll wrote: »Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?
Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.
Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.
Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?
Actually I used to be on the organic bandwagon until I couldn't afford it anymore, and until I realized that the USDA does not really check up on companies who claim to be organic - and I was throwing a lot of money away for a pricey label.
I have actually felt much better physically every time I controlled my calorie intake, made sure I was adequately hydrated, increased exercise, all while paying attention to my nutrients: eating enough protein, fat, fiber, calcium, etc....without worrying about organic vs. non-organic. I eat/drink things that taste good to me - I'm not hyped up about "fake this" or "fake that." I eat a LOT of Lean Cuisines and other "processed" foods.
I personally don't eat artificially sweetened food because I hate the taste of it - I do not think there is anything wrong with it though. Most of the sources I have seen of the "stay away from scary processed or artificially sweetened foods" are from Practitioners of Woo.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?
Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.
Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.
Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?
Who is angry? The strongest emotion I've seen in this thread is your statement that you almost died after reading the ingredients on a product that you'd been consuming regularly. That, to me, seems much more dramatic than anything else said to date.
That you eliminated multiple products and felt much better doesn't indicate that there was anything wrong with that particular product. Maybe it just means that you shouldn't consume it (but given that you made multiple changes, it doesn't even necessarily mean that). Other people consume non-dairy creamer and feel fine (even after taking a glance at the ingredients). Why is your experience more meaningful than theirs?
I'm confused by the sentence "Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?" I don't think anyone needs artificial sweeteners, but if someone wants them . . . why not eat them? Did you mean to write something else there?
Eating artificial sweeteners doesn't mean that one will never eat whole foods or organic foods or natural foods. Most people who are consuming artificial sweeteners are eating a wide variety of foods. To use me as an example, I put a packet of Splenda in my coffee this morning and I had some brown rice with my lunch. It's a way of eating that includes multiple types of foods. Nobody is advocating for a diet consisting eliminating the types of foods that you enjoy.10 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »You can pry my coffee and Coke Zero out of my cold, dead hands.
Well, actually, thanks to coffee, those will be comfortably warm, dead hands. I believe I'll go get another cup of coffee.
With a side of jittering. Those hands ain't moving.
*grasps tightly onto her lattes and Diet Cokes*1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Also, check your creamer ingredients. Many of the flavored ones are non-dairy, meaning it’s mostly water and sugar (usually high fructose corn syrup). I almost died when I actually looked at ingredients. You can buy organic half and half that is only milk and cream.
So you'd been consuming it for a while without feeling any ill effects and you almost died when you noticed what was in it?
Maybe the problem isn't with the ingredients but with your perception of them.
Nope, not perception. Not anything noticeable alone, but it was only one bit of the artificial fake food to be cut out...and after getting rid of all of it, yes, felt much better.
Nobody is going to die if they put a tiny bit of crap in their diet. But why be so angry about someone suggesting to be aware of it? I’m not some whole, clean food zealot...I don’t care what other people choose to eat/drink. Eating whole, natural, organic foods will never be bad. Why eat fake sugar if you need or want to?
Actually I used to be on the organic bandwagon until I couldn't afford it anymore, and until I realized that the USDA does not really check up on companies who claim to be organic - and I was throwing a lot of money away for a pricey label.
I have actually felt much better physically every time I controlled my calorie intake, made sure I was adequately hydrated, increased exercise, all while paying attention to my nutrients: eating enough protein, fat, fiber, calcium, etc....without worrying about organic vs. non-organic. I eat/drink things that taste good to me - I'm not hyped up about "fake this" or "fake that." I eat a LOT of Lean Cuisines and other "processed" foods.
I personally don't eat artificially sweetened food because I hate the taste of it - I do not think there is anything wrong with it though. Most of the sources I have seen of the "stay away from scary processed or artificially sweetened foods" are from Practitioners of Woo.
If you feel good eating lean cuisines, then do that. The sodium content alone in those meals makes me feel awful. I can also eat a larger volume of food if I simply eat quality proteins and roasted fresh veggies. For me, the taste of freshly prepared far exceeds any prepackaged meal. But me saying that doesn’t mean I’m attacking those whose make different food choices.
I hear you on the organic. If I stick to seasonal fruits/veggies, the expense isn’t very noticeable to overall budget. I will always be a proponent for eating whole and fresh over packaged, but that doesn’t mean I’m criticizing others food choice. I don’t buy everything organic.
I only read OP and not the thread until I started getting quoted. I had no idea there was a debate on here. Why is paying attention to what you put in your body ever a bad thing?0
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