Intermittent Fasting / Keto

stacyd311
stacyd311 Posts: 1 Member
edited November 23 in Getting Started
Hey everyone! Happy new year! I am starting my fitness journey for the thousandth time and this is my year! I am looking for friends to encourage me along the way and their their journey with me!!

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  • missmaggie619
    missmaggie619 Posts: 1 Member
    I’m in the same boat girl!! But we can do this!! :)
  • All1971
    All1971 Posts: 89 Member
    Welcome to MFP. Some on this board are hostile toward Keto. You may want to join the Keto or low carb subgroups on MFP. MFP is great for tracking, but you may also want to look elsewhere for advice (https://www.ketogenicforums.com/)
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    All1971 wrote: »
    Welcome to MFP. Some on this board are hostile toward Keto. You may want to join the Keto or low carb subgroups on MFP. MFP is great for tracking, but you may also want to look elsewhere for advice (https://www.ketogenicforums.com/)

    no one is hostile towards keto. the only thing about keto as some think its a special way to lose weight and you can eat what you want and how much. you still have to be in a deficit to lose weight no matter how you eat.also some believe the fat you burn is body fat. body fat is lost in a deficit and what you burn doing keto is the dietary fat you take in, which is why its high fat and low carb.

    for some its just not sustainable and for others its great. same with IF. intermittent fasting is just a window of time in which you eat your calories. you still need to be on a deficit and you still have to eat the right amount of calories(dont want to eat too little calories as its dangerous and leads to lean mass loss as well). I do IF 16:8 most of the time and I dont lose any faster fasting than I do when I dont fast.

    I cant do keto due to a health issue that the high fat would/could literally kill me(I have a genetic defect that makes it to where my body cannot process fats and cholesterol like most people can so it gets stored in my body including my arteries.I have done keto in the past before I knew of my health issue and for me my health declined rapidly. But thats me. If someone else wants to try keto or any other way of eating thats fine. you just have to pick something that you can stick to.
  • kimny72
    kimny72 Posts: 16,011 Member
    edited January 2018
    All1971 wrote: »
    The whole point of keto is that it is a "special" way to lose weight. The people who do keto believe that there is sufficient empirical evidence and scientific studies to show that a simple calories in - calories out (CICO) model of weight-loss is too simplistic to explain the complex interactions of all the hormones and feedback loops in the body and their impact on metabolism.

    While calorie restriction works in the short term, it is likely to lead to a reduced metabolism and ultimately failure in the long term. Over the last 60 years the US population has gotten fatter and sicker following the conventional wisdom and recommendations of the main advisory bodies. The point of keto is that it recognizes the role of insulin in how the body processes food and whether it stores fat or uses stored fat. This two compartment model of energy balance is very different than the single compartment model suggested by a CICO approach. IF is usually paired with keto precisely because of the effect of lowering insulin.

    Keto is not for everyone, the science behind it - much like the since behind all the other approaches to eating (diets) - is up for debate. What is clear is that there is no definitive answer on which diet is best for any given individual. Having said all that, if not "special", keto is, at the very least, a "different" strategy for losing weight. The science and strategy underpinning this approach are markedly different than all the other diets that rely on a CICO model.

    The bolded is simply not true. There are plenty of people who do keto because that way of eating makes it easier to stick to their calorie goal, and there are plenty of them here on the boards. If you want to believe keto has special powers that's fine, but don't make generalizations like that about everyone else who does it.

    OP, good luck! If you are satiated by fat and not by carbs, keto could work well for you. And definitely check out the Low Carb Group that is usually linked to on the right hand side of the forum home page. There are lots of veteran low carbers and keto followers who can help you along too :drinker:
  • gtm197
    gtm197 Posts: 58 Member
    All1971 wrote: »
    The whole point of keto is that it is a "special" way to lose weight. The people who do keto believe that there is sufficient empirical evidence and scientific studies to show that a simple calories in - calories out (CICO) model of weight-loss is too simplistic to explain the complex interactions of all the hormones and feedback loops in the body and their impact on metabolism.

    While calorie restriction works in the short term, it is likely to lead to a reduced metabolism and ultimately failure in the long term. Over the last 60 years the US population has gotten fatter and sicker following the conventional wisdom and recommendations of the main advisory bodies. The point of keto is that it recognizes the role of insulin in how the body processes food and whether it stores fat or uses stored fat. This two compartment model of energy balance is very different than the single compartment model suggested by a CICO approach. IF is usually paired with keto precisely because of the effect of lowering insulin.

    Keto is not for everyone, the science behind it - much like the since behind all the other approaches to eating (diets) - is up for debate. What is clear is that there is no definitive answer on which diet is best for any given individual. Having said all that, if not "special", keto is, at the very least, a "different" strategy for losing weight. The science and strategy underpinning this approach are markedly different than all the other diets that rely on a CICO model.

    Could not agree more. I found myself to be insulin resistant/pre-diabetic from all the sugar/starch processed foods I was consuming throughout the day for years. Though I am not on a KETO diet per se, I am restricting the grams of carbs I eat daily and more importantly I Intermittent Fast for at least 16-18 hours a day to give my body a chance to become more insulin sensitive. The IF eating schedule has ended my "grazing" all day long. My BP has dropped from 147/105 to 135/87 in just 2 weeks. I calculate the number of calories I consume daily based upon my BMR and TDEE. Down 15 pounds in 21 days which I am sure most up until now has been a water loss. The study of the insulin hormone has been an eye opener for me. I envy those that do not have a carbohydrate intolerance and can maintain a fairly normal insulin level. IF and low carb macros would not be that effective for them. But for me, it has been a blessing.
  • CharlieBeansmomTracey
    CharlieBeansmomTracey Posts: 7,682 Member
    any way you eat comes down to CICO.,when in a weight loss or weight gain situation. a calorie is a unit of energy.if you eat more than you burn you will gain weight,if you eat less you lose weight and if you eat the same you maintain. no one is saying that keto doesnt work for those with insulin issues and diabetes. but many diabetics here have also lowered their blood sugar,some have lowered their cholesterol,blood pressure,etc just by eating in a calorie deficit,being more active and losing weight. calorie restriction doesnt work short term.

    if that were the case how do you explain people in 3rd world countries,anorexia and things like that? they still continue to lose weight. your body stores fat in a surplus of calories. if you think that you can eat as much as you want on keto then go eat 5000 or more calories without working out and come back in a month or 2 and see where you are weight wise.

    people got fat over the years by eating too many calories and moving less, I know thats how I became obese. even when obese my insulin levels were normal. once I started counting my calories I started losing weight. when I was younger I was extremely active and ate a lot and maintained my weight. as I got older and stopped being as active and continued to eat the same way I started gaining weight.
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