Farm exercise
KSpinkribbon
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I live on a small farm and would like to track my work here as part of my exercise. Much of it involves pulling a large cart with 60+lb bales of hay, multiple 50lb bags of feed, moving manure, etc. My chores also involve shoveling horse manure, moving it in my cart & spreading it.
I see nothing in this app that apply to this kind of work (Weight Watchers did). Any ideas?
I see nothing in this app that apply to this kind of work (Weight Watchers did). Any ideas?
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Your regular work should be factored into your daily activity setting if you want to use MFP the way it's intended to work. Log only purposeful exercise as additional.3
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Yeah, the database is woefully lacking in non- sports or gym exercise. Maybe choose yard work, though it does not offer light vs. vigorous.1
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Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.2
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KSpinkribbon wrote: »I live on a small farm and would like to track my work here as part of my exercise. Much of it involves pulling a large cart with 60+lb bales of hay, multiple 50lb bags of feed, moving manure, etc. My chores also involve shoveling horse manure, moving it in my cart & spreading it.
I see nothing in this app that apply to this kind of work (Weight Watchers did). Any ideas?
It's your work...you account for it in your activity level.1 -
I live on a farm too. For example they offer so many minutes of horse grooming but nothing for barn work such as cleaning stalls, throwing around 80 lb. hay bales, 50 lb feed sacks. I thought of maybe using yard work or even crossfit. My son gets credit for rolling around big tires around at the gym? I guess it depends if you are being truly active in the time you post.0
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If this is daily activity (your job), then it is part of your Activity Level and does not get added as exercise. Go to Goals, View Guided Setup, then select Active or Very Active based on the jobs listed.1
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nakedraygun wrote: »Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.
This is true and I can't speak for the OP, but I also live on a farm and daily activity varies wildly. It would be very hard to determine what the daily average is.0 -
You'd have to set your profile to the most active Setting to account for the type of work you do, rather than adding it on separately. Otherwise there are websites which can calculate the calories you burnt for certain activities, and then you can create your own MFP entry for the database. .1
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I just let my Fitbit count the extra steps and don’t worry about any extra burn from lifting and carrying. If I’m starving at the end of the day, I’ll let myself go over my deficit by 200 or so. This has worked for me so far.2
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Agree with the others, just include it in your daily activity level, not as purposeful exercise.
I miss the "being generally active" part of the farm/stable. My weight was never too hard to keep within 5 pounds of my "happy weight." Desk jobs have sure messed that up for me (but my wallet appreciates it LOL).2 -
nakedraygun wrote: »Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.
Just because it isn't done in a gym doesn't mean throwing bales of hay around isn't exercise. It is very much exercise. In fact there are some sports and events that are basically farm activities like strongman. A lot of stuff gyms do tries to mimic real life farm type activities like sled pull and push, tire flipping, etc.3 -
Change your settings to active and then your work is covered.1
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nakedraygun wrote: »Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.
Just because it isn't done in a gym doesn't mean throwing bales of hay around isn't exercise. It is very much exercise. In fact there are some sports and events that are basically farm activities like strongman. A lot of stuff gyms do tries to mimic real life farm type activities like sled pull and push, tire flipping, etc.
True, but if it's something you do every day for a significant part of the day, it is much easier to account for it by raising your activity level than tracking every single bale of hay.
ETA: For example, if you are generally sedentary during the day but try to go for a half hour walk once or twice a week, it makes sense to track that as intentional exercise. But if you walk to work every day, rain or shine, you might not want to log that every day and instead just adjust your overall calories either via the activity level or manually.0 -
MegaMooseEsq wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.
Just because it isn't done in a gym doesn't mean throwing bales of hay around isn't exercise. It is very much exercise. In fact there are some sports and events that are basically farm activities like strongman. A lot of stuff gyms do tries to mimic real life farm type activities like sled pull and push, tire flipping, etc.
True, but if it's something you do every day for a significant part of the day, it is much easier to account for it by raising your activity level than tracking every single bale of hay.
yes, that's probably the best way to set activity level to active. But on the other hand, someone that spends a few hours every day in the gym would have the option to set to active or log their gym workout. Farm work would be the same thing. Its just however they want to log, but farm work IS exercise, anyone that's worked on a farm knows this.4 -
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MegaMooseEsq wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.
Just because it isn't done in a gym doesn't mean throwing bales of hay around isn't exercise. It is very much exercise. In fact there are some sports and events that are basically farm activities like strongman. A lot of stuff gyms do tries to mimic real life farm type activities like sled pull and push, tire flipping, etc.
True, but if it's something you do every day for a significant part of the day, it is much easier to account for it by raising your activity level than tracking every single bale of hay.
yes, that's probably the best way to set activity level to active. But on the other hand, someone that spends a few hours every day in the gym would have the option to set to active or log their gym workout. Farm work would be the same thing. Its just however they want to log, but farm work IS exercise, anyone that's worked on a farm knows this.MistressSara wrote: »I agree with just upping the activity level, but NEAT vs. exercise is a blurry line. If I commute by bike it's NEAT, but if I ride for no reason it's exercise. If I swing a sledge hammer at a tractor tire it's exercise, but if I chop wood it's NEAT. I'm not complaining, but just noting and explaining that it's a somewhat arbitrary designation.
I think the point is that "exercise" means at least two different things: (1) activities you do for the sole purpose of increasing your fitness, OR (2) any activity that increases your fitness. It's usually easy enough to tell by context. If the thing that you do for a job involves activity that increases your overall fitness, then it's type two but not type one. It'd be nice to have two words here, but we don't. It's a silly language.
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If you can afford a FitBit or other monitor consider getting one; it is agnostic to the activity - it records your steps and you heart rate. It will let you know through out the day how many steps you walk and when your activity puts you in the zone... hence calories burned and miles walked. Just walking around my house on the weekend I can easily walk several miles. Grocery shopping (pushing the cart and hauling groceries) or doing laundry (walking up and down the stairs) puts me in the calorie burning zone..4
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ok i didn't realize that NEAT was a term being used to describe activity, i never heard that term before. To me exercise is just exercise, regardless of what you are swinging an axe at home or a gym edition sledge. it all the same at the end of the day regardless of what you want to call it or how you want to log it.2
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If you are doing just a little every day, like picking out stalls or carrying a bale or two, just reflect it in your daily activity. If you are like me and put in grinding but sporadic 8 or 10 hour days without mechanical help in planting and harvesting season, reflect that separately. A 10 hour day is 3000 additional calories for me, and that work needs to be properly fueled. You can either create your own exercise entry or just log it under gardening. Make adjustments as needed so you are losing at the rate you want.2
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Yep. Thus not exercise.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.
This is true and I can't speak for the OP, but I also live on a farm and daily activity varies wildly. It would be very hard to determine what the daily average is.
Still not exercise and a category error to think it is no matter how similar the movements.nakedraygun wrote: »Yep. It’s NEAT but not exercise.
Just because it isn't done in a gym doesn't mean throwing bales of hay around isn't exercise. It is very much exercise. In fact there are some sports and events that are basically farm activities like strongman. A lot of stuff gyms do tries to mimic real life farm type activities like sled pull and push, tire flipping, etc.
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I have a friend, who is a farmer and a powerlifter.
Tell me, should he rely on his farming to prepare for meet day? I mean, heck, if farming is exercise, why even strength train?1 -
If doing the daily things in life that was either physical or that looked liked exercise, we would have a lot less fat people in the world. But that’s not the case.ok i didn't realize that NEAT was a term being used to describe activity, i never heard that term before. To me exercise is just exercise, regardless of what you are swinging an axe at home or a gym edition sledge. it all the same at the end of the day regardless of what you want to call it or how you want to log it.0 -
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Not entirely arbitrary. I’ll argue that exercise is done within a program to elicit an adaptation, no matter how naive that program might be. For example, consider the posts on MFP asking about ones routine. “Hey what do you think of my awesome abs and left forearm routine?”MistressSara wrote: »I agree with just upping the activity level, but NEAT vs. exercise is a blurry line. If I commute by bike it's NEAT, but if I ride for no reason it's exercise. If I swing a sledge hammer at a tractor tire it's exercise, but if I chop wood it's NEAT. I'm not complaining, but just noting and explaining that it's a somewhat arbitrary designation.
Activity done without some type of oversight within a program is just activity, it’s actual carryover to elicit an adaptation is negligible or nonexistent.
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MistressSara wrote: »
I hear ya, but it still comes down to the intention, which is kind of weird.nakedraygun wrote: »
Not entirely arbitrary. I’ll argue that exercise is done within a program to elicit an adaptation, no matter how naive that program might be. For example, consider the posts on MFP asking about ones routine. “Hey what do you think of my awesome abs and left forearm routine?”MistressSara wrote: »I agree with just upping the activity level, but NEAT vs. exercise is a blurry line. If I commute by bike it's NEAT, but if I ride for no reason it's exercise. If I swing a sledge hammer at a tractor tire it's exercise, but if I chop wood it's NEAT. I'm not complaining, but just noting and explaining that it's a somewhat arbitrary designation.
Activity done without some type of oversight within a program is just activity, it’s actual carryover to elicit an adaptation is negligible or nonexistent.
How is that weird?0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
If doing the daily things in life that was either physical or that looked liked exercise, we would have a lot less fat people in the world. But that’s not the case.ok i didn't realize that NEAT was a term being used to describe activity, i never heard that term before. To me exercise is just exercise, regardless of what you are swinging an axe at home or a gym edition sledge. it all the same at the end of the day regardless of what you want to call it or how you want to log it.
people that throw around bales of hay all day are in pretty good shape and pretty strong. Also the amount of fat a person has does not have anything to do with their physical strength or fitness.1 -
nakedraygun wrote: »I have a friend, who is a farmer and a powerlifter.
Tell me, should he rely on his farming to prepare for meet day? I mean, heck, if farming is exercise, why even strength train?
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I used to bail and stack hay and that wasn’t the case with the other farm hands I toiled with under the Wisconsin sun. Bailing hay is seasonal, and exercise can be performed yearly.nakedraygun wrote: »
If doing the daily things in life that was either physical or that looked liked exercise, we would have a lot less fat people in the world. But that’s not the case.ok i didn't realize that NEAT was a term being used to describe activity, i never heard that term before. To me exercise is just exercise, regardless of what you are swinging an axe at home or a gym edition sledge. it all the same at the end of the day regardless of what you want to call it or how you want to log it.
people that throw around bales of hay all day are in pretty good shape and pretty strong. Also the amount of fat a person has does not have anything to do with their physical strength or fitness.
While percentage of body fat does not necessarily have any bearing how strong one is, it certainly has a bearing on just how fit one is.0
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