New protein consumption article-- everyone is going to go nuts over this!
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I went a little off kilter with a very long response, which I think means it's a good time to ring the bell and head home.
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Oh, what the hay, I already typed it all out:
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The title of this thread is apt in that I'm going to go nuts over this.
I assure you I read your response. There's a lot of reasons why protein is important, but ultimately, no one's forcing you to eat more. Again, there was a lot of context missing from your responses supporting any notion that hunger wasn't an issue. Really, all the information I could gather from what was written was that you enjoy palatable food and would rather opt for those over protein.
If whatever you're doing is keeping you adherent to your diet and you enjoy what you're eating, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ do you. That's more important for fat loss than anything. I mean, really, I'm just some rando on the internet. So screw what I say or what anyone else says. You don't need approval for your choices.
Tbh I was just really bored at work and this was a fun debate! Figured at least someone should fight for the other side!3 -
You should base your protein intake on LBM, your fat doesn't need proteins. The protein is essential for muscle repair (growth), but limiting anything in your diet is just silly... you need carbs for fuel during intense workouts and healthy fats for proper brain function. All 3 are good for other things too obviously, but those are some pretty good reasons not to leave out or limit any of them. Personally I base my diet around 1.14g of protein per lb of LBM, the rest of my calories are then split between carbs and fat.0
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1.6? Pffffft. I get that much just from the vegetables, potatoes and nut butters that I eat. Don’t even get me started on the chicken, fish and eggs. /flex (or something)1
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I went a little off kilter with a very long response, which I think means it's a good time to ring the bell and head home.
EDIT:
Oh, what the hay, I already typed it all out:
...
The title of this thread is apt in that I'm going to go nuts over this.
I assure you I read your response. There's a lot of reasons why protein is important, but ultimately, no one's forcing you to eat more. Again, there was a lot of context missing from your responses supporting any notion that hunger wasn't an issue. Really, all the information I could gather from what was written was that you enjoy palatable food and would rather opt for those over protein.
If whatever you're doing is keeping you adherent to your diet and you enjoy what you're eating, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ do you. That's more important for fat loss than anything. I mean, really, I'm just some rando on the internet. So screw what I say or what anyone else says. You don't need approval for your choices.
Tbh I was just really bored at work and this was a fun debate! Figured at least someone should fight for the other side!
Yeah, I usually respond while I’m at work too. I’m a proponent for protein, obviously. Debates are good if they’re productive in some fashion.0 -
My protein intake is excessive for my weight. I am 43 kgs but consume more than 100 grams of protein daily which isn't really that much on a 2000ish calorie a day diet.1
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That's about the norm for me. Nothing new here.0
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Haha, I KNEW this was going to happen. Yes, some things have to change, but why can't they change PROPORTIONALLY? If I have to decrease my calories, say.... 25%, why can't that 25% come from ALL the macros?
Protein is actually more important in a deficit as otherwise, a large % of your loss will come from lean muscle. As a % of your total calories, Protein should be much higher than in maintenance or a bulk. even the total grams should be higher, not just the %.
as an example: Say you eat 100 grams at maintenance cals of 2000 (20% of total cals), but in a deficit, you should probably get 120 on 1500 cals (32%).4 -
I see somewhat of a bias for eating more protein in this thread, which seems to match our societal narrative at the moment. The food industry uses protein content as a marketing tool these days, adding it to everything and touting it all over the place. But I avoid processed foods, in general, so what ever the protein content the food has, it has.
I eat what I think is plenty of protein without really trying. My goal has been 100g/day or 400 out of 2000kcals, 20% of my daily intake, which I comfortable achieve or exceed by eating some meat at both lunch and dinner. This advice would have me increase to 124g. That would basically mean changing from oatmeal to eggs for breakfast, or something. I don't want to, so I won't!
Note that the Wellness blog at NYTimes.com is, in general, excellent. Almost no important news (such as this) gets by them. They always link to original sources (and don't just say "recent studies show"). You need a subscription to access it and it's totally worth it.5 -
I'm confused at how veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
I mean I love pizza- almost all pizza. But there is no way a veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.3 -
I'm confused at how veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
I mean I love pizza- almost all pizza. But there is no way a veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
What makes a steak good is the fat. Low-fat steaks are dang tough.
High-protein low-fat low-carb foods are a bit rough to eat in general. Unless you enjoy egg whites, skinless chicken breast, etc.0 -
Jthanmyfitnesspal wrote: »I'm confused at how veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
I mean I love pizza- almost all pizza. But there is no way a veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
What makes a steak good is the fat. Low-fat steaks are dang tough.
High-protein low-fat low-carb foods are a bit rough to eat in general. Unless you enjoy egg whites, skinless chicken breast, etc.
I'll take the fat. You can't have all three "low" you have to eat SOMETHING. Why go low fat if you are going low carb? Pick one.2 -
Jthanmyfitnesspal wrote: »I'm confused at how veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
I mean I love pizza- almost all pizza. But there is no way a veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
What makes a steak good is the fat. Low-fat steaks are dang tough.
High-protein low-fat low-carb foods are a bit rough to eat in general. Unless you enjoy egg whites, skinless chicken breast, etc.
I'll take the fat. You can't have all three "low" you have to eat SOMETHING. Why go low fat if you are going low carb? Pick one.
Because PSMF is soul sucking and I'm a glutton for punishment
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I'm confused at how veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
I mean I love pizza- almost all pizza. But there is no way a veggie pizza tastes better than a good steak.
Veggie pizza, no way. A good Chicago-Style or NY Style pizza with cheese, meats, a little veggies, and grease; I'll take that all day over steak. 0 -
100_PROOF_ wrote: »NY times is getting to be as bad as the daily mail. I would take it all with a grain of salt and do your own research.
They published a research study.
Reading it is LITERALLY “doing your own research”.
<facepalm>
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Good time as any to ask for input.
2497 Calories per day
Current Marco’s
P 150g
C 175g
F 133g
Exercise; 35-40 minutes daily, walking, indoor Spin Bike, Ourdoor Bicycle, and Eliptical Trainer.
Have not added weight training yet. Primary goals is fat loss. Second preparation for Outdoor Cycling March thru October. Goal to work up to 20 miles 3 days/week and longer Saturday/Sunday rides and hiking.
Current Weight:341.6 lbs
Goal Weight: 250 lbs
Max Weight: 485 lbs
Any/All Input Welcome.
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franklin5280 wrote: »Good time as any to ask for input.
2497 Calories per day
Current Marco’s
P 150g
C 175g
F 133g
Exercise; 35-40 minutes daily, walking, indoor Spin Bike, Ourdoor Bicycle, and Eliptical Trainer.
Have not added weight training yet. Primary goals is fat loss. Second preparation for Outdoor Cycling March thru October. Goal to work up to 20 miles 3 days/week and longer Saturday/Sunday rides and hiking.
Current Weight:341.6 lbs
Goal Weight: 250 lbs
Max Weight: 485 lbs
Any/All Input Welcome.
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First congrats on loping a whole person off your body. Great work.
Your diet seems a bit high in fat at close to 50% of your calories. How do you feel with this split, and more importantly what does your doctor say regarding your labs?. Absent and other information, personally I would cut back on the fat to stay in the recommended range and bump protein first, then carbs. As you get to the riding season, you may want to up the carb % a bit for a couple days before long rides.
"The Institute of Medicine provides acceptable macronutrient distribution ranges (AMDR) for carbs, protein and fat. These AMDRs are 45 percent to 65 percent of calories from carbs, 10 percent to 35 percent from protein and 20 percent to 35 percent of total calories coming from dietary fat"
https://www.livestrong.com/article/81042-calculate-percentage-calories-fat-carbohydrate/2 -
franklin5280 wrote: »Good time as any to ask for input.
2497 Calories per day
Current Marco’s
P 150g
C 175g
F 133g
Exercise; 35-40 minutes daily, walking, indoor Spin Bike, Ourdoor Bicycle, and Eliptical Trainer.
Have not added weight training yet. Primary goals is fat loss. Second preparation for Outdoor Cycling March thru October. Goal to work up to 20 miles 3 days/week and longer Saturday/Sunday rides and hiking.
Current Weight:341.6 lbs
Goal Weight: 250 lbs
Max Weight: 485 lbs
Any/All Input Welcome.
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You are awesome! Diet strong!
I am not a professional in any way, but eating ~50% of daily calories from fat worked well for me while cutting. You can even go higher in fat and lower carbs, of course, but I found that balancing the carbs roughly with my cardio burn ("exercise calories") worked incredibly well and kept me more satisfied than an ultra-low carb approach. And, I never did the macro split very carefully, I focused (and still focus) on eating healthy balanced home-cooked meals that I liked and were within my calorie limit.0 -
Interesting article. I have been wondering about this, as I was looking back on my nutrition reports over the last couple months. About two months ago I started making a concerted effort to get more protein into my diet, and most days I manage to hit the RDA, but not all. I almost never hit the MFP default number - it just seems like soooo much protein to me.
All of that said - I feel great. I've hit my goal weight, my strength training goals are progressing nicely, and my body fat % is consistently dropping. So while perhaps MOAR PROTEIN would be helpful in gaining strength faster, I really don't think it's realistic given my lifestyle and dietary choices (ovo-lacto vegetarian).0 -
I eat way more protein than I probably need. On heavy lift days I go for my bodyweight in protein, especially since i'm slightly underweight and trying to bulk as lean as possible. idk if it makes a huge difference, but I feel less sore that way and fuller!0
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I feel so much better when I consume lots of protein, try to make a lot of it nuts instead of meat and whey but my body works better with higher than recommended amounts and I lose weight easier when I have plenty of protein and healthy fats.1
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