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PAV8888 · February 2018

Unfortunately since this is a very low calorie diet, which *is* an unsafe dieting practice and as such not supported by MFP, and since HCG has been officially classified by the FDA as a "scam", or rather as something that in no way aids with anything having to do with dieting.... I predict that this thread will be closed in the very near future! Read up on what the FDA and similar organisations have to say about HCG... it is interesting.

bendyourkneekatie · February 2018

Thread closing in 3.... 2.... 1...

MichelleDoud · February 2018

What a bummer. I actually learned about this diet from this app back when it was named Diet Point in 2011. The sense of community we had back then was amazing and I made a lot of friends that I still talk to. So sad.

PAV8888 · February 2018

Nah, will take longer 'cause I haven't reported it, I am leaving the exercise for someone else

Threw in a hug for the OP because anyone doing this **kitten** needs a hug, and so do all the people around them!

MichelleDoud · February 2018

Lol. Is there a way I can delete it? Just really sucks.

bendyourkneekatie · February 2018

It's not sad. It's great that people are becoming informed about unhealthy dangerous scams and learning about healthy sustainable weight loss methods.

W8WarI · February 2018

You lost weight, solely because you chose to consume, less calories! Don't give something else credit, for your hard work!

MichelleDoud · February 2018

I don't understand PAVV. what does that last sentence mean?

PAV8888 · February 2018

Well.... you could edit out everything you said. Replace it with a "." Then self report the thread as an inadvertent TOS violation asking for it to be deleted (this is my thread and I want to delete it)... and hope you don't end up with points! The only time I tried to escape points that way... I still got them

You WILL find a sense of community here. And help. As long as you're wanting to lose weight safely. You DO realise that you don't have to kill yourself to lose weight.... right?

Or you could edit the first post and ask for advice on how to lose weight in a more safe way than utilising placebo and VLCD...

MichelleDoud · February 2018

Points? Wow this app has gotten really weird.

MichelleDoud · February 2018

Wow my heart hurts... but I don't think this is the right place for me, unfortunately. Ahh it is almost bed time, so i will go find a pillow to cry in. Thanks for the help you guys

1houndgal · February 2018

MichelleDoud wrote: »

Wow my heart hurts... but I don't think this is the right place for me, unfortunately. Ahh it is almost bed time, so i will go find a pillow to cry in. Thanks for the help you guys

No need to cry about this. Learn from this instead. Try mfp the way it is set up. Tracking your food intake and weight. Eating a healthy amount and variety of food as suggested by mfp. Excercise at a safe level in a safe way.

Stick around and work the mfp program. It works.

PAV8888 · February 2018

MichelleDoud wrote: »

I don't understand PAVV. what does that last sentence mean?

Well, when they eat very very small amounts of food, people tend to be relatively miserable, and often hAngry! As such, they can always use a hug

As to **kitten** it can be conveniently used to replace any word you would probably not want to yell our loud in the middle of a marriage ceremony

MichelleDoud · February 2018

That's the thing, though. I am 32 years old. The only time I never struggled with weight issues was while on it. I have counted calories, done keto, done low fat, done freaking everything, including working out like crazy and everything else. It took me a long time to decide to go the route I did, and it changed my life more than I am allowed to express here. I have never been happier in my life, healthier than what I was after doing it (perfect blood work and everything, head to toe. ) I had energy, etc. In between each kid I have had since then, and even in recent months, nothing is working. I have done Insanity, different P90X programs, hours with trainers at the gym, eating very sensibly ( I don't consume sugar or carbs except in very rare situations) and have studied nutrition. I lean towards the paleo life style. Lots of veggies, only low sugar fruits, but that is even very rare because I don't like sweets... I use only stevia or monk fruit in my coffee and tea... I eat as organic as possible.. but alas, nothing. I even had my doctor do a complete blood work up on me a few months ago and he said everything was fine.
Btw, the only time I have been a healthy BMI was when I was younger than 10 years old, and after doing the diet. I have exhausted everything I could and this finally was the only thing that worked for me.

MichelleDoud · February 2018

I really don't see any other options for me. If I can get to a healthy bmi which I could do in 2-3 months this way), which is undoubtedly more healthy than what I am sitting at now.. probably about 39%, and still have amazing blood work, etc.. ya know. Ahh.. well.

L1zardQueen · February 2018

MichelleDoud wrote: »

That's the thing, though. I am 32 years old. The only time I never struggled with weight issues was while on it. I have counted calories, done keto, done low fat, done freaking everything, including working out like crazy and everything else. It took me a long time to decide to go the route I did, and it changed my life more than I am allowed to express here. I have never been happier in my life, healthier than what I was after doing it (perfect blood work and everything, head to toe. ) I had energy, etc. In between each kid I have had since then, and even in recent months, nothing is working. I have done Insanity, different P90X programs, hours with trainers at the gym, eating very sensibly ( I don't consume sugar or carbs except in very rare situations) and have studied nutrition. I lean towards the paleo life style. Lots of veggies, only low sugar fruits, but that is even very rare because I don't like sweets... I use only stevia or monk fruit in my coffee and tea... I eat as organic as possible.. but alas, nothing. I even had my doctor do a complete blood work up on me a few months ago and he said everything was fine.
Btw, the only time I have been a healthy BMI was when I was younger than 10 years old, and after doing the diet. I have exhausted everything I could and this finally was the only thing that worked for me.

Darling, just eat in a slight deficit. That is it.

PAV8888 · February 2018

That is the issue though.

You've spent a lifetime (and so had I until about 4 or 5 years back) being at the very least overweight or more.

And bombarded by various rules to lose weight.

And here is the double-good news. When you used your will-power to lose weight on HCG--that was ALL 100% YOU and your will-power. You had NO help from anything else.

The slightly bad news is that losing weight that way was an almost guaranteed invitation to gain it all back. You had almost no chance of keeping it off. You did not permanently change the way you were eating and moving. You did not learn anything useful to maintaining your weight loss during the time you were losing the weight. And your body and mind were primed for regain from the harshness and deprivation caused by your weight loss regiment.

And when you're trying to lose your weight, weight you've accumulated over a lifetime in just a few months... you are perpetuating the cycle of loss and regain.

Because, let's face it, I most certainly didn't get to be obese JUST and ONLY because I like food. Of course I like food. But I also like stuffing myself. And like to eat when I'm pissed off. And when I am very concerned. And when I'm tired. And when I'm cold. And you know what? People who are not obese seem to be able to survive a lot of these states without stuffing themselves with high calorie foods. But my default is to hit the high calorie foods in these and other conditions. Including being bored. Or tired.

So when you spend a couple of years losing 100+ lbs you have some time to deal with these issues. Some you find better ways to deal with. Some you don't. Some you just learn how to recognize so that you can limit the damage and move on when you screw up and perhaps learn how to avoid them in the future. But the good thing about doing all this work while in a caloric deficit is that you get a chance to sort things out. And as a bonus you avoid a whole slew of physical problems that can result from rapid weight loss. Not to mention potential psychological problems that can come from being in too large and too persistent of a caloric deficit.

So yeah. You've tried a lot of things. The one thing you haven't tried is a moderate caloric deficit over a long period of time while trying to develop 100% long term strategies. You know: only eating things you see yourself eating for the next 5 years. Only doing the exercise you see yourself willing to do 3 or 4 years from now.

All it would take is to set MFP to 1lb per week loss. Download a trending weight application for your phone (or use trendweight.com or weightgrapher.com). Log each and every single thing you eat or drink (including weighting it on a scale which will be very not easy with young kids). And making adjustments IF YOU NEED TO after 4 to 6 weeks. additional activity during the day or some strength training and exercise are heartily endorsed yet not absolutely necessary.

livingleanlivingclean · February 2018

MichelleDoud wrote: »

That's the thing, though. I am 32 years old. The only time I never struggled with weight issues was while on it. I have counted calories, done keto, done low fat, done freaking everything, including working out like crazy and everything else. It took me a long time to decide to go the route I did, and it changed my life more than I am allowed to express here. I have never been happier in my life, healthier than what I was after doing it (perfect blood work and everything, head to toe. ) I had energy, etc. In between each kid I have had since then, and even in recent months, nothing is working. I have done Insanity, different P90X programs, hours with trainers at the gym, eating very sensibly ( I don't consume sugar or carbs except in very rare situations) and have studied nutrition. I lean towards the paleo life style. Lots of veggies, only low sugar fruits, but that is even very rare because I don't like sweets... I use only stevia or monk fruit in my coffee and tea... I eat as organic as possible.. but alas, nothing. I even had my doctor do a complete blood work up on me a few months ago and he said everything was fine.
Btw, the only time I have been a healthy BMI was when I was younger than 10 years old, and after doing the diet. I have exhausted everything I could and this finally was the only thing that worked for me.

I'm only guessing what this thread is about, but whilst yes, you lost weight, it clearly wasn't successful as you weren't able to keep it off.

I always thought I couldn't lose weight without a magic fix.... Until I did. I stuck to my calorie deficit diet like glue, and exercised regularly, doing both consistently for months. And months. And months. And it worked.

Your body is not different to anyone else's, we all work pretty much the same way, and your blood tests show no reason why you shouldnt lose weight with consistent effort - perhaps have more realistic expectations about the rate of loss you will achieve, and the time to reach your goal.

Set up your account properly, get a food scale, and accurately log everything you put in your mouth - weigh all solids, measure all liquids, and check the database entries you use for accuracy. Be completely honest with yourself about what and how much you eat.

RollTideHusker · February 2018

I’m 47 and I have been overweight my entire life. When I tell you I’ve tried almost everything - well I have. Starved myself. Did the gimmic diets. Low carb. WW. Etc. Etc. The ONLY thing that has helped me is tracking my calories and doing some cardio.

You mentioned that you’re 32 and have kids. Don’t you want to show them what good, healthy nutrition is about? Teach them good habits?

I’ve been reading these forums for quite a while. There is a lot of very good advice. Just keep reading, eat more, track your food.

PAV8888 · February 2018

Here is a post blatantly stolen from another thread. I know there is a way to link to an individual post but I can't figure out how on my phone. So I am just quoting.

Remember. You say you have tried everything and the only solution is to starve yourself.

And I am saying that in addition to the health risks you take with a non medically supervised very low calorie diet (and it includes risks of gallstones, increased and unnecessary loss of lean mass, loss of hair, brittle nails etc) you fail to learn anything useful about maintenance.

So this post deals with a gradual approach that doesn't even set a caloric deficit as a target. Just looks at where you are and then you work the system to head to where you want to be. I would never have the patience to do all that, but just by doing it I would probably have an instant deficit due to not picking up the random and probably unnecessary bites and snacks I pick on through the day!

It is work. But boy am I ever sure it would open one's eyes!

Momepro wrote: »

Break things down into individual behaviors and habits. Instead of looking at this as an all at once, or all or nothing proposition, find ways to break things down into smaller and more sustainable habits. That makes it much easier to pinpoint where something is not working, and fix it, rather than staring at the whole jumbled mess of NOT WORKING. Plus, when you do backslide, you are less likely to drop everything, just one or two habits, that can then be fixed again. Otherwise, trying to everything at once, means that you are likely to leave out something important (like weighing food), and pay excessive attention to things that aren't. (Like fiber drinks and vinegar)

Log EVERYTHING.

Don't JUST weigh (with a scale is best) everything you eat,

also write why you are eating it (i.e, lunchtime, hungry, kind of bored, out with friends, watching tv)

and how you are feeling right before, right after and an hour after (hungry, comfortable, normal, full, very full bloated, drowsy, OMG I am so damn sick of this crap I want to throw the whole plate out a window, etc).

This gives you a baseline pattern for your normal habits and routine.

From there, it's just a matter of experimenting.

Are you very full after dinner? Cut back on a few things. Does lunch leave you bloated and gassy after an hour, try less or no mayo, and see if there's something you don't mind dropping each meal (fries, or cheese, or maybe only 2 tacos instead of 3).Are you starving an hour after dinner?
Maybe more fats during. It's amazing how quickly these small and easily sustainable changes will add up to big calorie cuts. Only cut one or two things at a time, until they become habit instead of trying to do everything at once. That way they become individual habits instead of one big "diet".

You will notice that none of this discusses a fire and forget solution.

That is because your chances of not having to manage your weight actively for the rest of your life given your proclivity to gain weight so far... are very low.

But making that management easier is definitely within your grasp.

And yo-yo dieting Lacks both the easy AND the management part. It is just out of control knee jerk reactions.

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