Down 85#, It’s all about insulin resistance

psychod787 · February 2018

AnvilHead wrote: »

psychod787 wrote: »

While Dr. Fung is a brilliant doctor, I worry about the long term effects of a keto diet. Long term data is missing I think. Keto does have a few upsides. It can help people with dementia, PCOS, and some forms of cancer, it also has the upside of helping to kill hunger.That can be good for people trying to lose weight, but I have also read that the rates of regain are about the same. I can't quote the study, but it would make sense. Keto for diabetics is also in question. Some studies show increased insulin resistance over time. I am still new to maintenance, so I have no idea what life holds for me long term.

Dr. Fung is a lot like Dr. Oz. He may have been a brilliant doctor, but he sold his soul to the almighty dollar and gave up his credibility when he started pimping junk science and bogus information for fame and money. They're barely more than prostitutes IMO.

Agreed, would I see him for a kidney problem. yes. Weight loss, nope! Almost went on the keto diet for maintenance with my body in a forced state of starvation. Would have probably destroyed myself! Went from 40+% bf to less than 9%! Hormones ruined! Keto would have probably made it worse. I stated in another forum earlier, I am very weary when MD's give weight loss advice.

beagletracks · February 2018

Can someone please move this to the debate forum? Most of us come to Success Stories for support and inspiration.

Congratulations, OP! Way to go!

wanderinjack · February 2018

Thanks, inspiration was my intention.

fanncy0626 · February 2018

The people that are attacking the OP about Keto and Dr Fung should be ashamed of yourselves. You're being Bullies. If you don't have nothing nice to say...the OP was sharing their success and several of you went berserk. All of you should be flagged.

MichelleSilverleaf · February 2018

fanncy0626 wrote: »

The people that are attacking the OP about Keto and Dr Fung should be ashamed of yourselves. You're being Bullies. If you don't have nothing nice to say...the OP was sharing their success and several of you went berserk. All of you should be flagged.

It's not bullying by pointing out that Dr. Fung is not a well-respected individual (and justifiably so), nor is it bullying by pointing out the OP's condescending tone. And no one was bashing keto, btw.

creationscrown · February 2018

Thank you for sharing! Wow, I got sucked into reading all the comments and feel sad that the success stories can’t just be a place where people say “congrats and thanks for sharing”. Nevertheless, I appreciate your story and envy your success. I’m still spinning out on the CICO wheel. Been hearing so much lately about IM/keto. Maybe I ought to try this as an approach. Thanks again!

CharlieBeansmomTracey · February 2018

not to mention dr *F* (what I will call him) said that HIS way of eating meant that his patient who had an AC1 of 7 I think it was (it might have been a little lower) would NO longer need to take his insulin. Thats not how it works. telling someone they dont need their insulin and that they can just stop is wrong and makes him an idiot. saying it cures all kinds of things when there is no proof that it does is spreading misinformation. while it was used mainly for those with epilepsy, it has helped those with insulin resistance,diabetes, and pcos. its like getting advice for your colon issues from a podiatrist.

mashza2012 · February 2018

I did keto for two years, lost a bunch of weight......*until* I started eating above caloric maintenance. Keto is a great appetite suppressant, it's not that CICO doesn't work. The laws of thermodynamics don't only apply to *some* people. There are medical conditions that make it more difficult for some of us to lose weight but that's more because they effect our basal metabolism etc etc, not because fat is magic........fat and protein are satiating. So people eat less. And often there's huge losses quickly as you drop your water weight from depleted glycogen etc. I enjoyed it, I was able to stick to it for over 2 years, but I'm on an athletic performance diet now and carbs are included. Keto is not a miracle cure, it IS a tool that CAN make it EASIER for someone to lose weight and stick to a diet tho!

ceiswyn · February 2018

fanncy0626 wrote: »

The people that are attacking the OP about Keto and Dr Fung should be ashamed of yourselves. You're being Bullies. If you don't have nothing nice to say...the OP was sharing their success and several of you went berserk. All of you should be flagged.

So you’re the person who flagged us all - and for not being nice enough? Then why didn’t you also flag the OP for not being very nice about their friends, or about people who don’t do keto?

eminater · February 2018

brig220 wrote: »

Whatever, why do people have to be so extreme in their diets and point of views? There are plenty of people who don’t need keto to be thin, fit and healthy, just eat less and you’ll lose weight. I guess that eating less is a hard concept for some.

THIS

wanderinjack · February 2018

This was a bit of a social experiment. I’m fascinated by how people cling to their dogma. Food and religion seem to really bring out the nasties. I’ve shared my unconventional success with other venues and this is the only one that I’ve been meant with so much vitriol.
Please people...life is short and precious, be kind to each other.

WinoGelato · February 2018

wanderinjack wrote: »

This was a bit of a social experiment. I’m fascinated by how people cling to their dogma. Food and religion seem to really bring out the nasties. I’ve shared my unconventional success with other venues and this is the only one that I’ve been meant with so much vitriol.
Please people...life is short and precious, be kind to each other.

This is ironic considering the condescending attitude toward your friends that you shared in your original post...

sedj241 · February 2018

Great job on your weight lost, you found what works for you and you stuck with it..

GoalGal50 · February 2018

Ooohhhh kaaayyyy let me move on to another forum...yikes

Frankie_Fan · February 2018

Congrats on your loss

ceiswyn · February 2018

wanderinjack wrote: »

This was a bit of a social experiment. I’m fascinated by how people cling to their dogma. Food and religion seem to really bring out the nasties. I’ve shared my unconventional success with other venues and this is the only one that I’ve been meant with so much vitriol.
Please people...life is short and precious, be kind to each other.

In my long experience of the internet, “This was a social experiment” == “I am a *kitten*”

If you don’t want to be met with vitriol (since when has ‘vitriol’ meant ‘people pointing out that you’re wrong’?), then maybe you shouldn’t lead off with it.

Life is short and precious, be kind to your friends. And to all the other people who know that keto is not, in fact, the one true solution and that those who don’t follow it will not actually all get cancer and die. (And you claim we’re the ones clinging to dogma?!)

(PS Still losing on CICO. Last week I had a danish pastry and a pie. Mmmm, delicious carbs)

stanmann571 · February 2018

wanderinjack wrote: »

Here's the short version of a long story. In 1995 I was 250# with over 35% body fat and those were the least of my health problems. What was more problematic is that I had fatty liver, leaky gut, an intestinal candida infection, diareaha every morning, was highly insulin resistant, had a rash all over my body. The worst part of it was that I was having great difficulty doing what I love most...long distance backpacking.

Since then I've done a lot of N=1 experiments. Got down to 215# and couldn't budge it with all the crossfit and weight watchers etc (getting divorced probably helped the most). The piece I was missing is the calories in calories out model doesn’t work as never has. The problem was insulin resistance. Went full keto in 2014 and got down to 175# and plateaued there even with doing 16:8 intermittent fasting (IF). Last fall I heard the first Obesity Code podcast and started doing extended fasts (EF). Now at 165, 19% body fat and according to Smart BMI I'm smack dab in the healthy zone. I'm 20# under what my drug lord (doc) said was my idea weight. Most importantly I can rock a long sierra trail and climb mt. shasta at will. I've lost 85# and feel great. To me that's a miracle.

I'm very grateful for Dr. Fung for helping me to solve that last piece of the puzzle and that group to have people I can share my success with. This is a really big deal and none of my friends get it. In some chances they literally roll their eyes at me so I just quite talking to them about one of the most significant things in my life. Which essentially means relationship over. I fully expect this will piss people off here but sharing my experience in hope that a few people with but a little dust in their eyes may benefit. Very sad about that. Like a recovered alcoholic who can't go to the bar anymore and hang out with his old buddies. It's time to move on. Meanwhile they're getting sicker and sicker, heart disease, kidney transplants, cancer, drugs, surgery ...very sad.

Bingo!

wanderinjack wrote: »

This was a bit of a social experiment. I’m fascinated by how people cling to their dogma. Food and religion seem to really bring out the nasties. I’ve shared my unconventional success with other venues and this is the only one that I’ve been meant with so much vitriol.
Please people...life is short and precious, be kind to each other.

Ironic post is ironic.

So you posted a deliberately incorrect misleading and woo filled post in order to instigate responses. You succeeded, and now you're crowing about it. There's a word for that sort of behaviour, but I don't want a timeout.

clicketykeys · February 2018

Are you seriously implying that the reason your friends are going through "heart disease, kidney transplants, cancer, drugs, surgery" is because they don't eat the way you do? As a cancer survivor, let me be very clear: that kind of statement makes it sound like you're a jerk.

Down 85#, It’s all about insulin resistance

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