What makes a 'good' cook?
mortuseon_
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I was skimming through the recent thread about meal prep services (Blue Apron, HelloFresh etc) and saw a lot of people describing themselves as a 'decent cook' or a 'good cook'. It struck me that I'd have no idea where to place myself on such a scale. I can follow recipes, sometimes make my own meals up, and have a vague awareness of different flavour profiles (e.g. I can tell if the dish needs some acidic brightness) and cooking techniques (I can deglaze a pan to make a sauce). I still don't know if I'd call myself a good cook, though. So I wanted to put it to you - what characteristics do you think make a good cook, and what skills could be learned to make a good cook into a great one?
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"follow recipes" = decent cook.
The other things you say of yourself put you in the "good cook" range. Creativity is the difference.10 -
I feel like you just kind of know.. If you cook for people and (most of the time) they love your food so much they devour it, keep coming back, asking for recipes, you love what you yourself are cooking. Also there are skills and knowing how to cook without following recipes, knowing how to do certain things and how flavours mesh together, but that typically comes with experience and practice.
I think I am a good cook but I could be better, also my efficiency and organization in the kitchen could use some work. I cook a lot.. I've also taken cooking courses, learned from a few Chef's in Tuscany, learned from my Mom, read books etc.
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I think a good cook is someone who consistantly prepares food of many types that other people enjoy eating. They may not use fancy ingredients, use elaborate techniques or have specialties. They might find a way of making something and always do it that way. My grandma was a good cook. I am a good cook.
A great cook is probably someone who is a good cook and is very knowledgable about ingredients and tools and uses their knowledge to create new recipes or methods. I think great cooks are people who take risks to push their art/science farther not just someone who doesn't follow a recipe and gets lucky.
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I think the ability to follow recipes and apply what you learn over the years of cooking is what puts someone on the good cook scale. Bonus points if you don't have to reference a recipe every time you cook something and it comes out tasting great. What puts someone on the bad end of the scale? Inexperience combined with not actually reading through the recipe. "Winging it" when you definitely should not be winging it, such as trying a new technique you've never done before, or creating something you have little experience with. (This is how we get those great "Nailed it" Pinterest posts) Learning from these experiences and failures is what brings your cooking skills up into the good or great category though.4
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JeromeBarry1 wrote: »"follow recipes" = decent cook.
The other things you say of yourself put you in the "good cook" range. Creativity is the difference.
I agree with this, completely. I'm a decent cook, not a good cook. My husband is a good (excellent) cook. He sounds more like you, OP.
For years I believed myself to be a good cook simply because people RAVED about my cooking...really though, it was because I mostly fed my ex's bachelor friends and I made food that was always covered in cheese & butter & creamy sauces, so well, yeah...they wanted thirds. I'm just mediocre.
I do think with baking you can be a good baker without having any special knack or skills, just sticking to solid recipes. I'd call myself a pretty good baker because my cookies, pies, cakes, and fresh bread all turn out great. But I'm clueless without a recipe when it comes to cooking. I can't make a from-scratch soup that has any pizzazz whatsoever.1 -
Practice and experience and making failures and learning from them. I started cooking at age 9 (I'm 53 now). I cook 5/6 days a week and my wife and I are dairy/gluten free, mostly whole food, plant based. I've had to change my cooking style several times over the years. My wife used to get embarrassed when we'd go to a dinner and I'd make something and all the women would be asking me for recipes, now she laughs and takes pride in it! I love to cook for her! I won her heart in the kitchen, so why not continue that?
It's just practice, knowing flavors, cutting/prepping fast and confidence after a long time. I still have a flop occasionally but rarely (oh, and my wife is brutally honest so when it's really good or really bad, there's no guessing). Many of the things I make are just winging it.
Once you learn flavor profiles, cook with lots of different ingredients and learn basic techniques, it's really not that hard. My wife says all the time "it's a gift" but I just really enjoy it and do it to relax and unwind after work. I'm lucky in that I run a business from home and can walk downstairs and cook a meal in the time that most are driving to get home from work.
My progress from my 30's to now as a cook is light years ahead. It's just being open to new flavors and constantly refining your knife skills and timing is SO important in cooking. Having an idea of how long everything takes to cook takes years of experience.4 -
Being able to recognize what would be a good new recipe or a bland recipe.
Even if you miss a step or misread something in a recipe, being able to fix the recipe through intuition4 -
For the record, I’m admitting, I’m a bad cook.
I know this deep down but, I will try to mimic a Bobby Flay recipe in a heartbeat. I usually end up spending most of my time Googling measurements and “What in the hell is aioli?” See I know that BECAUSE of Bobby Flay...and yet, don’t have ANY of the ingredients to make it. So, I think a good cook is one that thinks ahead, looks at the recipe, then gets the stuff from the store, turns on a YouTube video to watch how to make it (and has to take pauses) makes it, and serves it with a hope that no one has food poisoning.
I think a GREAT cook already knows all that stuff (and with a full spice rack) but comes to the table confident and knowing the dish will taste good.
I think that some of the delivery services definitely give meals that suit you because you always have to take a short quiz. They know you can’t boil water given your answers. So, I think they’re good in a way because they can give some people a push to start cooking for themselves or others at home or bad, because they make people think they can cook really great because they followed a 3 ingredient recipe.
I hope I didn’t offend anyone.4 -
For me good cook = don't need recipes, can creatively work with whatever ingredients are available (within reason), and the outcome tastes good. You understand what goes with what and how to improve flavor (adding acidity or the like), and will use seasoning/herbs in a tasty way, typically. You also can cook pretty efficiently and without it taking longer than the particular dish actually takes and will generally not be stressed about cooking (unless cooking for someone really important or trying something new, maybe).
When I say I'm a good cook, I mean I think my food normally tastes good, but also that I'm a confident cook and able to figure out what to do with ingredients without needing a recipe (although I might look one up for ideas or if doing something I haven't before).1 -
I will add to this conversation that, like most things, being a good cook takes lots of practice. Very few people (dare I say no one) is born a good cook. Based on what others have described as a "decent" cook and a good cook, the difference is experience levels. I started cooking in high school and I am self-taught. I spent many years relying heavily on recipes and googling basic kitchen skills such as proper knife technique before I felt comfortable enough to start moving away from established recipes and started developing my own. I'm now known among my friends as the good cook and feel very comfortable making something delicious without a recipe.
I firmly believe that almost anybody who wants to put in the time and effort can eventually become a good home cook, provided they're not an under-taster, unadventurous, nor easily frustrated/dissuaded by failure. Becoming a professional is a whole other level, but that's mostly mastering speed/organization, which imho is not really that important to actually producing great-tasting food at home.2 -
Anybody can cook with enough practice since the quality of cooking ultimately rests on execution. You can have the creativity/cooking talent of a rock and still be a good cook if you know how to properly execute a recipe.
If you really want to become a good cook, focus on learning techniques over specific recipes.1 -
Cooking is applied chemistry. While anyone (almost anyone) can simply follow directions and produce an end product, skill and experience are going to show the difference between a new aspiring cook and an award winning Chef.
Ever just dump in ingredients and go off recipe? Try it sometime in a small batch and taste the result - there's a reason to the order of ingredients and the reaction to compounds interacting with one another produces wild differences.
I think back to learning to bake bread with my Grandma and while I was working off the same recipe card it is difficult to put into words "desired consistency", but decades of experience and knowing how her oven performs, her pans heat up, the muscle memory of what well kneaded dough feels like.... These things you have to learn through doing.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." - Vince Lombardi3 -
My husband is a highly trained chef. He can't cook any more but when he did he would read cookbooks for ideas and then just go make the dish without ever looking at the recipe again. It was pretty amazing to watch (and eat!). Now that I do all the cooking he will sometimes supervise, which isn't near as much fun as him doing the cooking. He could throw together the most amazing dishes.
I'd say I'm a pretty good cook - I know what spices to add, etc. But I'm nowhere near as good as he is.1 -
You sound like a good cook to me. I'm a "get the job done" type cook. I'll fill your belly, but if you're looking for something other than the basics you better go out to eat. I have to follow a recipe to the letter, I don't know what spices and flavours go together and would never dream of making my own recipe! I was told once that it's because I'm such a fussy eater I don't know what flavours do go together, not sure if that's the reason or not, but I'll take it.2
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I don't bake and I don't follow on-line recipes. I may read them and then do my own thing. I don't like to cook so any recipe that has more than five ingredients, specially something that I will not use very often, is totally disregarded. I don't watch cooking shows.
I do have in MFP my own recipes, but that is for the convenience of the ingredients, calories and macros. And they get modified all the time.
My parents were both good cooks; my mother in law was a great cook and a baker, and so was her sister (both took cooking classes and loved to cook). I have a lot of friends that are very good cooks so I am always a little bit intimidated about their cooking skills compared to mine, but I am not interested in improving.
My husband likes my cooking, he thinks that I mix flavors and seasoning very well. But he has a strong stomach and he is not a picky eater. I am grateful for that. I don't consider myself a good cook or a decent one. I just cook healthy meals. I cook because I have to, and I have been doing it for 55 years . It doesn't get any easier for me.2 -
I love to cook. Everything about it. From designing a meal or special event. Planning it. Shopping. Prepping. Preparing it. I consider myself a good cook. Those that I cook for, love my cooking. That's why I do it. To show the people important to me that I care for them. It's one of the few ways I can be creative.3
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To me it's someone who can go into a fridge or pantry and cook up something fabulous with whatever they stumble upon. I am not this person. I need a very detailed recipe with the exact ingredients and even then, it's 50/50.2
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Cooking is applied chemistry. While anyone (almost anyone) can simply follow directions and produce an end product, skill and experience are going to show the difference between a new aspiring cook and an award winning Chef.
Ever just dump in ingredients and go off recipe? Try it sometime in a small batch and taste the result - there's a reason to the order of ingredients and the reaction to compounds interacting with one another produces wild differences.
I think back to learning to bake bread with my Grandma and while I was working off the same recipe card it is difficult to put into words "desired consistency", but decades of experience and knowing how her oven performs, her pans heat up, the muscle memory of what well kneaded dough feels like.... These things you have to learn through doing.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." - Vince Lombardi
I think of chemistry as baking. I'm a very, very good home cook. Baker?? Not so much! Too exacting for me. My wife is a terrible cook but excellent baker if given a recipe! She'll do things like use a knife to level off flour!! Me, no thank you! Hate that exacting stuff.
I think you'll find a lot of good home cooks that don't have the patience for baking and a lot of bakers that aren't necessarily great cooks.1 -
I also absolutely love to cook, especially to cook for people I care about, and I'm that host that has to triple check that you're completely satisfied and offer several more options "just in case". I don't generally use recipes, but I love reading them for inspiration. My friends and family have told me I am a great cook. I plan days, sometimes weeks, out what I am going to make for people. I love to go grocery shopping, and will happily tweak my plans if I see something at the market that I feel could make my plans even better, it's my favorite way to show my love.
I however am NOT a good baker. Mostly because of the aforementioned aversion to following recipes. So I think being a great cook is knowing how flavors and textures will work together, and being able to get creative with those different profiles. Being a good baker is following detailed instructions to the letter, or being exceptional at chemistry. I'm always unbelievably impressed by those who can do both, but unfortunately my wife knows that dinner will be wonderful, but dessert will most likely be half cooked or completely flat.2 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Cooking is applied chemistry. While anyone (almost anyone) can simply follow directions and produce an end product, skill and experience are going to show the difference between a new aspiring cook and an award winning Chef.
Ever just dump in ingredients and go off recipe? Try it sometime in a small batch and taste the result - there's a reason to the order of ingredients and the reaction to compounds interacting with one another produces wild differences.
I think back to learning to bake bread with my Grandma and while I was working off the same recipe card it is difficult to put into words "desired consistency", but decades of experience and knowing how her oven performs, her pans heat up, the muscle memory of what well kneaded dough feels like.... These things you have to learn through doing.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." - Vince Lombardi
I think of chemistry as baking. I'm a very, very good home cook. Baker?? Not so much! Too exacting for me. My wife is a terrible cook but excellent baker if given a recipe! She'll do things like use a knife to level off flour!! Me, no thank you! Hate that exacting stuff.
I think you'll find a lot of good home cooks that don't have the patience for baking and a lot of bakers that aren't necessarily great cooks.
Yeah, this rings true to me. I like the idea of baking, and used to bake bread sometimes and tried to perfect my pie crust, but I only very rarely enjoy it. My preference is grab some ingredients, wing it, and enjoy the ability to be much more loosey-goosey that you get with cooking. (As stated upthread, I dislike following recipes, sucks the fun out of cooking for me, so this makes sense.)
It worked out pretty well, since I didn't feel sad at all when I basically quit baking when I started MFP. I'll still make a dessert for a major holiday if people are coming over, but if someone else offers to make dessert (and people seem to want to make that course), I don't complain. I don't want to lose my pie making skills, but beyond that I don't care. I like the British Baking Show, but never has it inspired me to want to pick up baking again -- I just think, jeez, what a pain. ;-)
And I HATE trying to decorate. One reason I immensely prefer pie to cake, although it's also just a taste preference.
I do keep thinking I might do bread again -- I do make pizza crust sometimes, and I enjoy kneading (and fresh bread).0 -
Like @CSARdiver I think a good cook is the one who understands the chemistry of cooking. They are the ones who make recipes.
That's not to say anyone who enjoys cooking can't make really yummy food. Even by luck or trial and error.
Personally I reckon I'm an ok cook and the worlds luckiest baker.1 -
People always tell me I'm a good baker, which is not true. Baking is following a recipe with very precise measurements. It's easy as long as you follow the directions. What I'm good at is finding delicious recipes.3
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I'm a *kitten* cook. I can follow a recipe and produce perfectly serviceable food, but I can't create anything on my own. A lot of it is that the nuances of flavor profiles are completely lost on me. When someone says something like "the acidity of X perfectly offsets the earthy overtones of Y" - I just don't get any of that.
My most dreaded recipe step is "season to taste". I'm probably a non-taster because when I think something is perfectly seasoned, everyone else will complain that it's way over seasoned. So when I see that, I just guess and make sure it still tastes fairly bland to me.0 -
I can't follow a recipe... I have had a go at it. I will look at the ingredients. Study the techniques but I go off on my own tangent every time. Probably because I look at the ratios, and then I substitute e.g different flours, sugars or fats or we mightn't have crucial ingredients e.g bicarb or baking powder. It helps if you know your pantry.
My mum's family consensus is that when making bread dough, if your bowl was clean and didn't need to be washed, you are a good baker. If there was plenty of flour and bits still in it - you need more practice. I need more practice.
My dad believes that if you have to follow the instructions for the same recipe every time you make it, you are not a good cook. I don't know if that's a valid measure of a good/decent cook considering he also thinks that's why men are better cooks - 'most women cook like they're repressed and it's because they cook for others, men on the other hand, they're ballsy. They cook for themselves what they want and how they want.'
Yes my dad wanted me to cook like a man. I don't yet know if that makes me a good cook or a decent cook.0 -
I'm probably a "decent cook" in that I can follow a recipe and people typically like my food enough to eat it without complaints LOL!
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I'm probably a "decent cook" in that I can follow a recipe and people typically like my food enough to eat it without complaints LOL!
I'd consider you a "good" cook if you can do this consistently.
A "decent" cook to me would be someone who can "usually" get it right but still has failures. This is your typical home cook.
An "experienced" cook is someone who is a "good" cook who can make things from scratch w/o consulting a recipe. This is someone who could work the line in a restaurant.
A "creative" cook would be a "chef" who is an experienced cook who can make up entirely new and innovative dishes using different foods, spices and techniques on the fly, like you see on cooking shows like Iron Chef. This is someone who could run the kitchen in a restaurant.
I vary between being a decent
to experienced cook. I can cook well from a recipe but still mess up sometimes but I can also make certain things from scratch w/o messing up.
My father was a sous chef in restaurants and hotels. He was an experienced cook who supervised the line cooks in the preparation of dishes as set forth by the chefs. He could have become a chef but didn't have the drive or ambition to do so.1 -
Thanks for all the responses, this was informative! Do you think that regularly reading and trying different recipes helps to add to the skillsets of a 'good' cook? I feel that I need more practice, but when it comes to creating dishes, it can be so helpful to have inspiration from a previously-read recipe.0
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mortuseon_ wrote: »Do you think that regularly reading and trying different recipes helps to add to the skillsets of a 'good' cook?
Of course.
The more often you cook and the greater the variety in your cooking, the better and more experienced a cook you will become.
The same applies to any other skill, trade or profession.
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mortuseon_ wrote: »Do you think that regularly reading and trying different recipes helps to add to the skillsets of a 'good' cook?
Of course.
The more often you cook and the greater the variety in your cooking, the better and more experienced a cook you will become.
The same applies to any other skill, trade or profession.
Well, sometimes I wonder if perfecting existing techniques is better than expanding, variety-wise. But I would get bored that way! Haha. Thread was v interesting, anyway. thanks0 -
A lot of the descriptions above sound like really good cooks, a step above what I consider "just" a good cook. I am in the category of "just" good. I follow recipes very well and can usually come up with something that people will like from what's on hand, but it will usually be fairly basic. I have to meal plan and cook for the family a lot. If I take on something fancy/difficult, I don't always get it right the first time.0
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