should I buy a rowing machine?

I’m looking at a concept 2 model d (seems to be the only long-lasting quality one on the market) and debating if I should buy one. I made a little over $1000 at my part time job last summer and the rower will cost all of that. Here are my pros and cons, tell me what you think:
PROS
1. need to lose weight (fat)
2. need to gain full body strength
3. need better cardiovascular health (breathing + heart)
4. don’t currently do cardio consistently
5. low impact exercise (bad knees)
6. indoors and convenient - no excuses (full workout in <hour)
CONS
1. never rowed before, don’t know if i’ll like it (I kayak a lot though and like that, not sure if it’s similar though)
2. cost = $1,000 (one summer’s wages)
3. time - make excuses about not having enough time

thank you!!
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  • dewd2
    dewd2 Posts: 2,445 Member
    edited April 2018
    1. Fix your diet - don't rely on exercise. It doesn't work.
    2. Resistance program of some sort. Lift weights or do body weight workouts.
    3. Losing weight will help. Walking is great for health and mind.
    4. A potentially boring machine won't help
    5. Do you swim? Ride bike? Does walking hurt? How bad are the knees? Is it just a weight issue? Can they be strengthened/fixed?
    6. There's always an excuse. I have pretty much a full gym in my basement, have a gym in my office building, and belong to a couple commercial gyms. Yet I don't lift like I know I have to if I ever want to fully realize my potential.

    That's a lot of money to spend on something you've never tried......
  • CaffeinatedConfectionist
    CaffeinatedConfectionist Posts: 1,046 Member
    edited April 2018
    Instead of dropping $1000 on a rower, why not spend like $100 on a cheap one to at least determine if you'll like it and if you'll use it? You can invest in cheaper machines for a minimal investment and if it turns out to be something you won't use, you haven't made a huge dent in your wallet. I have both an elliptical and a rowing machine purchased off of amazon for under $100 each. They aren't going to last forever, but I already feel that I have my money's worth out of them. Also, for what it's worth, an elliptical is going to be easier on your joints than rowing will be.

    ETA: for strength purposes you'll be much better off with some sort of progressive overload lifting program. But I'm all for cardio for, well, cardiovascular health.
  • JaydedMiss
    JaydedMiss Posts: 4,286 Member
    edited April 2018
    Instead of dropping $1000 on a rower, why not spend like $100 on a cheap one to at least determine if you'll like it and if you'll use it? You can invest in cheaper machines for a minimal investment and if it turns out to be something you won't use, you haven't made a huge dent in your wallet. I have both an elliptical and a rowing machine purchased off of amazon for under $100 each. They aren't going to last forever, but I already feel that I have my money's worth out of them. Also, for what it's worth, an elliptical is going to be easier on your joints than rowing will be.

    or buy day passes to a gym to try all the mchines, See if you like a gym thatd be ideal, if not find something you enjoy using while there. Or go take a class. Or a walk. Or whatever.

    for 1000$ i could but 35-40 months of gym membership where i have access to everything
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,392 Member
    You don't mention space.

    I do NOT like in-place cardio machines at all. Tried them at the gym and the only one I even slightly liked was the AMT, and they're ten thousand bucks. If I had that money lying around I'd buy one.

    Maybe go to a gym and try the rowing machine for a while first. If you have a YMCA close by they may have drop-in fees.

    Kayaking is awesome. Rowing machines, not so much in my experience.
  • JaydedMiss
    JaydedMiss Posts: 4,286 Member
    edited April 2018
    I know you didnt ask OP but your post makes me think your in the semi desperate want to lose weight mode so-

    To lose weight all you need is calorie deficit. Set up your MFP with your stats and goals, And eat what it tells you. Buy a food scale to keep yourself accurate and honest. Weight loss is entirely CICO- CICO is calories in calories out. If you eat less then you burn you lose weight. Your body burns calories just being alive, Exercise isnt needed but it can be helpful. The way MFP is set up your calorie goal is your minimum- As in aim for that amount BUT if you burn more exercising you should eat back 50-100% confidently ( of course its hard to calculate just how many calories you actually burned exercising, So many of us eat back half). You need to fuel your body.

    Think long term, Make small changes gradually that lead to a more painless transition that will be long term. Think like, Diet pop vs full calorie pop. For most people a relatively painelss change. Or a slightly smaller serving, Or dont go back for a second plate, Or take a small walk daily, Do some stretches, Pat yourself on the back for the extra serving of veggies you eat. Small changes. Baby steps. If you go all out and then burn out you wont be getting anywhere, Baby steps are a good thing. Small healthy changes breed quickly, Youll naturally turn to healthier choices with time. Dont force it to much to fast.

    Exercise doesnt need to be painful, I lost most of my 110 pounds just walking, The gym came later. If you want to lose weight stick to it and maintain that loss later, Put time into finding foods and activities you enjoy and can keep up forever. Buying a 1000$ mchine you dont even know if you like and forcing yourself to use it for an hour a day is not likely something youd keep up forever, So its not worth doing.

    As for full body strength, Yes a gym and lifting heavy things is helpful for that. But you can do body weight things for free, And you can get weights cheaply if you look around.

    Theres NO need to spend all your money, I promise you that you will regret that later on.
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    Instead of dropping $1000 on a rower, why not spend like $100 on a cheap one to at least determine if you'll like it and if you'll use it? You can invest in cheaper machines for a minimal investment and if it turns out to be something you won't use, you haven't made a huge dent in your wallet. I have both an elliptical and a rowing machine purchased off of amazon for under $100 each. They aren't going to last forever, but I already feel that I have my money's worth out of them. Also, for what it's worth, an elliptical is going to be easier on your joints than rowing will be.

    ETA: for strength purposes you'll be much better off with some sort of progressive overload lifting program. But I'm all for cardio for, well, cardiovascular health.

    Don't buy a $100 POS tower. It will not come cost to feeling like a Concept 2. As someone else mentioned find a gym that has one and use it for 2-4 weeks
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    Instead of dropping $1000 on a rower, why not spend like $100 on a cheap one to at least determine if you'll like it and if you'll use it? You can invest in cheaper machines for a minimal investment and if it turns out to be something you won't use, you haven't made a huge dent in your wallet. I have both an elliptical and a rowing machine purchased off of amazon for under $100 each. They aren't going to last forever, but I already feel that I have my money's worth out of them. Also, for what it's worth, an elliptical is going to be easier on your joints than rowing will be.

    ETA: for strength purposes you'll be much better off with some sort of progressive overload lifting program. But I'm all for cardio for, well, cardiovascular health.

    There is no rower anywhere for $100 that would simulate the feeling of a C2. You could literally set the $100 on fire and learn as much about rowing as trying a cheap machine.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    I wouldn't buy a Concept II unless I knew for certain that I would not only use it, but that it would be my primary exercise modality.

    I bought a Stamina air rower a few months back and I'm pretty happy with it at a $300 price tag. It get good reviews for the price. I use it once per week to supplement my cycling, so I didn't want to get anything crazy expensive.

    https://bestreviews.com/best-rowing-machines

    WEB2HGH35-1399-2.jpg

    As other's suggested, you might just want to join a gym that has one and try it out there...a gym will also make available to you all kinds of other equipment and a weight room. Conversely, there are a lot of things you can do from home that are free. There's absolutely no need to spend a lot of money on your fitness, especially when you don't really have it.
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    Azdak wrote: »
    Instead of dropping $1000 on a rower, why not spend like $100 on a cheap one to at least determine if you'll like it and if you'll use it? You can invest in cheaper machines for a minimal investment and if it turns out to be something you won't use, you haven't made a huge dent in your wallet. I have both an elliptical and a rowing machine purchased off of amazon for under $100 each. They aren't going to last forever, but I already feel that I have my money's worth out of them. Also, for what it's worth, an elliptical is going to be easier on your joints than rowing will be.

    ETA: for strength purposes you'll be much better off with some sort of progressive overload lifting program. But I'm all for cardio for, well, cardiovascular health.

    There is no rower anywhere for $100 that would simulate the feeling of a C2. You could literally set the $100 on fire and learn as much about rowing as trying a cheap machine.

    I bought a “cheap” rower to try it out to see if I liked it. My “cheap” one was $300. Using that was a little like sliding on a 3-wheeled skateboard that was bungee corded to a door that didn’t really close and using a smart phone propped up on the door handle for a monitor. It was dreadful.

    I bought a concept 2 because I do like rowing and I do use it quite a bit and can justify the cost.

    But “rowing” on the cheap rower lacks any parallel to rowing on the concept 2 except that they both are rowing machines. The setting the cheap one on fire to learn about rowing is 100% accurate.

    That said-I wouldn’t drop $1000 on anything if I didn’t know I liked it and would use it. And I’m pretty impulsive. I would definitely second the idea of day passes at a local gym to try it out first.



  • orangegato
    orangegato Posts: 6,572 Member
    That is a lot of money for something that you are not sure if you will enjoy/use. I bought one many years ago, barely used it, had a lot of regret and ended up selling it.

    I think spending the money on a gym membership might be good b/c you can try different machines and weights as well.

    If your weight loss and fitness journey is new, it may be very useful to read the sticky posts in the "getting started" and "success stories" sections etc. There is a lot of knowledge and experience available, just watch out for the bad woo *kitten*.

    Good luck, you can do it
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,091 Member
    I have a C2. I use it in Winter, when I can't row a real boat (rivers get crunchy here). The C2 is great.

    Some things you haven't thought of:

    1. Rowing is technical. You won't get a good workout unless you learn to use it correctly. Most people in most gyms are not getting a good workout. There are good instructional videos on the C2 site, and you could video yourself to check your form, but competent instruction/feedback is more helpful if you can find it. Most trainers at most gyms don't do it especially well, either. So, there's a time investment in learning.

    2. Rowing is full body, but unbalanced. You push with your lower body, and pull with your upper, in one plane of motion. For fun calorie burning exercise, this may not be a big deal, but for all-round fitness, it is. A lot of muscle groups miss out on the fun, with rowing, even though it uses more of them than other machines. At very high volume over a long period of time, imbalance also becomes a potential injury risk.

    3. The C2 online community, with its challenges and forums, can be very motivating, if you enjoy that sort of thing. There are also races in the real world you can enter for fun or bragging rights.

    4 It's not at all like kayaking, but both kayaking and rowing are fun. The waterway has a certain role in the fun factor, though. Last I knew, you could buy an aftermarket paddling add on for the C2. (It's expensive, too.)

    Me, I'll never stop rowing until my aging body totally breaks down (which will happen much later on account of the rowing ;) ), but I'd vote with those who say you ought to try to find a way to try it before spending a whole summer's worth of hard-earned $$$. It will readily meet all your workout goals, but only if you actually use it, and that's tightly linked to whether you enjoy it.

    Best wishes! :)
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,091 Member
    Afterthought: If you do buy a C2, but under-use it and decide to sell it, you should get much of your investment back as long as you've taken good care if it. They hold value really well, unlike most exercise machines.
  • sgt1372
    sgt1372 Posts: 3,997 Member
    edited April 2018
    I have a C2 rower and currently row 10k meters/day for an hr/day and burn 550 cal/day on it.

    I have used all kinds of cardio equipment and it is the best piece of cardio equipment I have ever used. You cannot go wrong buying it in terms of the quality of construction and the quality of the workout.

    HOWEVER, I agree that you should NOT buy one unless you are sure you are going to use it.

    I bought a LeMond RevMasterPro Spin bike, which cost as much as the C2, b4 I bought the C2 but seldom used it and stopped using it almost entirely after I bought the C2. The spin bike just sits there now but I don't need to sell it because I've got more money than sense.

    I also only used the C2 sporadically when I 1st bought it 2 yrs ago putting only 400k meters on it in a year and had put only a few 100k meters on it this year until I began to use it seriously 5 months ago and have put 1.2 million meters on it since then. My goal is to reach 2 million lifetime meters by the end of the rowing reason on April 30th, which I am certain to achieve.

    The reason for the major change in useage was a change in my need/aporoach to training and eating. I eat more and do cardio to burn cals to keep my net cals and weight at maintenance.

    Given your limited finances and unfamilarity w/rowing, I'd suggest you find a gym w/a rower (any type will do) and go there regularly to use it to see if you enjoy rowing more than other types of cardio.

    If you do, then buy one provided you have the space (at least 3x9') to put it where it won't get in the way and the commitnent to use it.

    If you can't find a gym w/a C2 rower and want to take the risk, AnnPTT77's point above is a good one. If you buy it for $940 (including shipping from C2) and decide w/in a year or less that you really don't like it, you should be able to sell easily it for $750-800 on Craigslist, which would only be a $190 loss (or cost of use) at most.

    Good luck!
  • CaffeinatedConfectionist
    CaffeinatedConfectionist Posts: 1,046 Member
    Azdak wrote: »
    Instead of dropping $1000 on a rower, why not spend like $100 on a cheap one to at least determine if you'll like it and if you'll use it? You can invest in cheaper machines for a minimal investment and if it turns out to be something you won't use, you haven't made a huge dent in your wallet. I have both an elliptical and a rowing machine purchased off of amazon for under $100 each. They aren't going to last forever, but I already feel that I have my money's worth out of them. Also, for what it's worth, an elliptical is going to be easier on your joints than rowing will be.

    ETA: for strength purposes you'll be much better off with some sort of progressive overload lifting program. But I'm all for cardio for, well, cardiovascular health.

    There is no rower anywhere for $100 that would simulate the feeling of a C2. You could literally set the $100 on fire and learn as much about rowing as trying a cheap machine.

    I stand corrected! I'm not going to set my cheap one on fire, but I'll admit to having a lot of curiosity about the C2s now. The only other rowers I've used have been at the gym and were different models.
  • sgt1372
    sgt1372 Posts: 3,997 Member
    edited April 2018
    Azdak wrote: »
    Instead of dropping $1000 on a rower, why not spend like $100 on a cheap one to at least determine if you'll like it and if you'll use it? You can invest in cheaper machines for a minimal investment and if it turns out to be something you won't use, you haven't made a huge dent in your wallet. I have both an elliptical and a rowing machine purchased off of amazon for under $100 each. They aren't going to last forever, but I already feel that I have my money's worth out of them. Also, for what it's worth, an elliptical is going to be easier on your joints than rowing will be.

    ETA: for strength purposes you'll be much better off with some sort of progressive overload lifting program. But I'm all for cardio for, well, cardiovascular health.

    There is no rower anywhere for $100 that would simulate the feeling of a C2. You could literally set the $100 on fire and learn as much about rowing as trying a cheap machine.

    I stand corrected! I'm not going to set my cheap one on fire, but I'll admit to having a lot of curiosity about the C2s now. The only other rowers I've used have been at the gym and were different models.

    If you are serious about erg rowing, there is nothing better than a Concept2 available for home use. I learned this long b4 I drank the kool-aid and became a rowing fanatic myself.

    I believe that you get what you pay for and have no problem paying more for a quality product. However, the C2 Is actually cheaper and more reliable than some other hi-end rowers, which makes it an even better value.

    My C2 and Lemond spin bike simply are the best made products in their class. They will last much longer than I will and will be a legacy gift to my heirs if they are smart enough to keep and use them after I'm gone.
  • aokoye
    aokoye Posts: 3,495 Member
    sgt1372 wrote: »
    My C2 and Lemond spin bike simply are the best made products in their class. They will last much longer than I will and will be a legacy gift to my heirs if they are smart enough to keep and use them after I'm gone.
    I would disagree about the Lemond being the best in its class but that's a bit off topic. That said, if I had the space, the extra money, and wasn't hoping to move to another country in less than a year and a half I would totally buy a C2.

  • jamesakrobinson
    jamesakrobinson Posts: 2,149 Member
    Many of the gyms I have been in had either a C2 or a very similar competitive model. (the "fitness room" in my apartment building has a C2, and the gym I lift at has a dozen of them too)

    I would VERY strongly suggest that you go to a local gym that has either a free trial or a cheap drop in fee and try out at least a 15 minute session on one (trust me a 15 minute row is a serious workout for a novice!) and see if you think you like it (or at least tolerate it) enough that it doesn't become a very expensive laundry rack.

    I would further suggest that there are a lot of dusty rowing machines (and every other piece of exercise equipment) with clothing hanging on them in at least half of the houses in your town. My cousin just bought a C2 that couldn't possibly have had a half hour of use on it for 450 a few months ago. Some judicious use of the internet can probably cut your cost at least in half if you decide you actually want one after trying one out.
  • PowerliftingMom
    PowerliftingMom Posts: 430 Member
    I started out using a rowing machine and lost about 20 lbs. I rowed 50-60 minutes/day and loved it so much, I bought one for home. It's now sitting in my living room as I eventually got bored with it and now do 95% lifting and only walk on the treadmill for cardio :-1:
  • KeepRunningFatboy
    KeepRunningFatboy Posts: 3,055 Member
    Sometimes the gym is a good investment. Numerous machines and weights and opportunities to vary exercise. Treadmills, elliptical, bikes, rowing machines, weights. All for one monthly price that can be renewed or cancelled. Also the gym maintains the equipment if defective or broke.
  • 1horsetown
    1horsetown Posts: 247 Member
    I LOVE a rowing machine. Seriously. But my back HATES rowing machines!! 20 minutes on a rowing machine will have me hobbling for weeks. Don't buy one until you've had a chance to use one a few times to see if it's really what you want.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,091 Member
    1horsetown wrote: »
    I LOVE a rowing machine. Seriously. But my back HATES rowing machines!! 20 minutes on a rowing machine will have me hobbling for weeks. Don't buy one until you've had a chance to use one a few times to see if it's really what you want.

    Good point that it can aggravate some pre-existing issues.

    Even in people without pre-existing issues, poor technique can cause problems. Specifically, allowing the spine to curve (slumping, arching) under load is a Bad Plan.

    Modern coaching (US, at least) is to keep the spine straight, engage the core, stay tall, and pivot from the hip joint to get the body swing in the rowing stroke.

    (Back in the "olden days" - say 1970s-80s and earlier - there was more common coaching of a C-shaped back. You'll see it in some elite rowers of the era. Many of them have back problems now. :( ).
  • sgt1372
    sgt1372 Posts: 3,997 Member
    1horsetown wrote: »
    I LOVE a rowing machine. Seriously. But my back HATES rowing machines!! 20 minutes on a rowing machine will have me hobbling for weeks.

    Sounds like poor form/technique to me.

    The only time you bend over is when you lean forward slightly (to 11 o'clock) at the catch to start the stroke which does not involve any force on the back.

    The next move is the drive when you push w/your legs (which do almost all the work) and pull on the handle w/your arms and hinge backwards at the hips until you're upright (at 12 o'clock).

    Then you complete the stroke (after your legs are fully extended and finished doing the initial work) as you hinge backward slightly (only to 1 o'clock) while pulling your arms and elbows fully back until the handle touches your upper abs/sternum.

    At no point during the stroke is your back bent.

    The work at the end of the stroke is done by the arms, shoulders and upper back (scaps and traps). The core/lower back only serve to stabilze your back as it hinges at the hips.

    So, no reason IMO why you should be hobbling or experiencing any back pain if you are doing this.

    BTW, FWIW, I have a chronic pain in my right SI joint resulting from a squat injury that I suffered about 5 yrs ago.

    While I can feel lower back pain from this injury just sitting in a chair, I do not feel any lower back pain during or after my daily rowing sessions.
  • tabriz1
    tabriz1 Posts: 1 Member
    We got one about a month or so ago and I'm rowing 5,000 or 6,000 m most days, 30 to 40 minutes. Im a.walker, and what I love about the rower is it works more of my body, I really feel the exertion.
  • Momepro
    Momepro Posts: 1,509 Member
    edited April 2018
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I wouldn't buy a Concept II unless I knew for certain that I would not only use it, but that it would be my primary exercise modality.

    I bought a Stamina air rower a few months back and I'm pretty happy with it at a $300 price tag. It get good reviews for the price. I use it once per week to supplement my cycling, so I didn't want to get anything crazy expensive.

    https://bestreviews.com/best-rowing-machines

    WEB2HGH35-1399-2.jpg

    As other's suggested, you might just want to join a gym that has one and try it out there...a gym will also make available to you all kinds of other equipment and a weight room. Conversely, there are a lot of things you can do from home that are free. There's absolutely no need to spend a lot of money on your fitness, especially when you don't really have it.

    We got the stamina too, but it isn't built to last. It's pretty much fallen apart piece by piece over the last year. First the battery compartment fell apart, then the foot bar pieces fell off and dissapeared, and now the seat won't stay tight. I'm a strong proponent of get the best you can afford, so it will last longer, and I always regret it when I let my hubby talk me into a cheaper version. However, this is a big monetary commitment, so defintely try to get some day passes or week passes at a gym and see if you even like the darned thing, before plunking down $1000 plus bucks on it.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    I'll echo what many others have said. Many gyms will let you purchase a day pass or even better yet, give you a pass for a free week to try it out before deciding if you want to join. Find a gym that has C2 rowers, take advantage of the free pass and try them out before you buy. A thousand dollars is a big investment without knowing whether or not you'll even like it enough to stick with it.

    The gym I go to has them and I row 1000m (about 5 minutes) at the beginning of every workout as a warmup. I love them for that purpose, but I don't know that I can picture going 20-30 minutes at a time on them as my main form of cardio. As much as I despise running on the treadmill, I find even that more tolerable for longer periods than stationary rowing. It's definitely a "to each their own" kind of thing.
  • robinrows
    robinrows Posts: 57 Member
    I do a lot of indoor rowing, but I use a concept 2 at the gym. I did have a cheaper rower at home, but the there are a couple of drawbacks:
    1 - space - whilst they (sort of) fold up they take up a fair bit of room, and are not everyone's idea of interior design
    2 - noise - I would be nervous of using in a flat etc (not 100% sure of this and it depends on how hard you row)
    3 - your flooring. My rower "walked" on a wooden floor and made holes in carpet. Solved with a rubber mat though.

    So I now prefer to use one at the gym, plus being a "billy no mates" it gets me out of the house.

    That said, I would now only buy a concept 2 if I were to buy a rowing machine. Not because they are better than other similarly priced rowers, just because of their website and the online logging and competitions. I find them very motivating.

  • neugebauer52
    neugebauer52 Posts: 1,120 Member
    My first machine would be a stationary bicycle - one of the simple ones. Easy to move, takes little space, can take it into the garden to cycle outside. Good re - sale value once I get fed up with it.
  • pondee629
    pondee629 Posts: 2,469 Member
    It's been my experience that a gym membership that has several of the machines I would want to use is more cost effective than buying machines for home use. I use Retro Fitness. My monthly membership is $22 including taxes. My health insurance reimburses me $20 for each month I go 12 times. A good machine, will cost in excess of $1000 ($3000 for a good elliptical or treadmill) At this cost it would take me over 3 years at the gym to exceed the cost of the machine (without considering the Health Insurance reimbursement). Plus at the gym I get to use the rowers, the ellipticals, the treadmills, stationary bikes, stair climbers, free weights and weight machines. My options are almost unlimited, my cost is bearable, I don't lose space in my home and I'm not committed to ONE machine.
  • mburgess458
    mburgess458 Posts: 480 Member
    I love my concept 2 and have used it for an hour every other day for 2.5 years, BUT... I would never spend $1,000 on something like a rower if that was a significant portion of my savings. Sounds like the OP is looking to lose weight, as others have said you don't need any exercise equipment to do that.

    If anyone is interested in buying a concept 2 another way to save a few bucks is buying one from a rowing competition. A lot of larger cities have rowing competitions once a year that feed into the CRASH-B competition. They will buy 100's of brand new concept 2's to be used that one day and then they sell them for a few hundred dollars under the going price for a new one. They aren't brand new, but have only been used for a few races for one day. The other plus is no shipping costs, you pick yours up from the race site.