Harder to reach a calorie deficit when working out?

NicoleHaki
NicoleHaki Posts: 55 Member
edited November 26 in Fitness and Exercise
I wanted to get everyone's thoughts about how to eat when you work out a lot. I work out a lot (probably an avg of 10 hours a week) and also walk a lot (I live in NYC and walk an avg of 12-15,000 steps a day). Ex: in a typical day, I'll do a 45-min interval training class at Equinox (I love MetCon3 and Tabata), add 15 mins on the treadmill, take a half-hour walk across town to get to work (and walk back also), and occasionally work out more after work.

The problem is, this leaves me super hungry all day. Ex: if I take an interval training class and come to work and there are bagels, there's pretty much no chance I can turn down a bagel, even if I have a healthier breakfast (like yogurt and granola) prepared. The classes only burn 250-350 calories too. I burn a lot more calories with all the walking (walking to the gym and work with a big gym bag), but it still feels like a shame to feel hungry all day just because I got up early to burn a few hundred calories. After all of this I am maintaining my weight (and what I want is to lose).

The reason I am posting is that yesterday I didn't work out or walk to work (for the first time in months) and came to work and noticed that I was significantly less hungry throughout the day. I would estimate that I was about half as hungry - if, in a typical "workout" day, I can eat 1800-2000 calories a day and still feel hungry, yesterday I felt like I would have been totally fine with 1100-1200 calories, and healthier food too.

I do usually get a hefty calorie adjustment on MFP using my FitBit Charge HR (usually between 700-800 calories), but it seems kind of crazy to me. In order to lose weight and improve my calorie composition, am I better off having 1800-2000 calories a day while working out a lot and staying active throughout the day, or having 1150-1350 calories a day and cutting workouts completely? I love working out and think it's crazy to stop, but I'm also at a point where I have to realize that when I work out my body expects to eat at least 50% more than when I don't work out and this is making it difficult for me to achieve any goals.

Before anyone suggest staying close to 1300 cals and adding something like half of the calories I burn working out - I'll start by saying I would love to do this but it's just not sustainable for me and would result in binge eating. I think this model would be sustainable if I was entirely sedentary outside of working out, but this is not the case.
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  • NicoleHaki
    NicoleHaki Posts: 55 Member
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    However you need to meet your 'weekly' calorie deficit to lose weight do that. So if you need more calories on workout days and less on non workout/less activity days that is fine, also known as calorie cycling.

    I've never really looked at my weekly deficit - any thoughts on why I should use that number instead of looking at my daily deficit?

    Also, my bigger point is that it's significantly harder for me to reach a calorie deficit when I do work out than it is when I don't work out. Has anyone else experienced this?
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    edited April 2018
    NicoleHaki wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    However you need to meet your 'weekly' calorie deficit to lose weight do that. So if you need more calories on workout days and less on non workout/less activity days that is fine, also known as calorie cycling.

    I've never really looked at my weekly deficit - any thoughts on why I should use that number instead of looking at my daily deficit?

    Also, my bigger point is that it's significantly harder for me to reach a calorie deficit when I do work out than it is when I don't work out. Has anyone else experienced this?

    You can do it daily or weekly. For example, some will eat lower during the week so they can eat more on weekends and this allows them to stick to the overall weekly deficit and still lose weight.

    I personally can work through it by using the calorie deficit + 1/2 my exercise calories as MFP is designed. You can choose to eat more on some days and less on others. There are several ways you can make your calories work.
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    Sometimes it's just a matter of changing up what you eat. Instead of the office doughnuts and bagels I generally will bring myself a mid-morning whole grain light muffin with egg/turkey sausage and fat free cheese. Keeps the calories low, fiber and protein high, and is very satisfying. After I work out in the mornings I will eat bran cereal while I make my mid-morning muffin. It keeps me out of the break room and away from the doughnuts and bagels and cream cheese lol.

    Office snacks/carry-ins are the worst. If I allow it, it easily blows 500-1000 calories. So I avoid it by bringing alternatives.

    And this is good point.

    Eating things that help with satiety will go far in keeping hunger at bay. Bagels and donuts which are calorie dense would have me hungrier even without the exercise.
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    I am the hungriest when I am at the peak of running training. I've had two rest days in a row post-race, and could totally manage my appetite and deficit. So, I do think that training more can increase appetite for sure. It's good to eat more if you exercise more, but finding that balance and not overeating too much into those extra earned calories is a real trick. I find really planning my meals and snacks according to planned workout efforts helps. It's also tougher now that I'm within a healthy weight range and close to my goal weight range.
  • NicoleHaki
    NicoleHaki Posts: 55 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    In my own personal experience, I do better cutting weight when I'm doing a moderate amount of exercise vs a lot of exercise. I've tried cutting weight while training for endurance cycling events where I easily do 8-10 hours per week or more of exercise and it's an exercise in futility because I'm hungry and my body wants the recovery more than anything.

    I do best cutting weight with moderate exercise of 4-5 hours per week because I'm not constantly hungry and recovery is easy.

    Totally makes sense and I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this! I can totally manage macros when I don't work out or get minimal activity, but it's close to impossible to choose an egg or a piece of fruit over a bagel after an hour at Equinox and a half hour walk to work - what usually happens after a workout is that my body wants a bigger breakfast, a bigger lunch and ALSO a snack (instead of just a protein shake). Maybe I should incorporate rest days? Or maybe I should start taking the subway instead of walking so much - I think the walking is a big part of the reason why I can't just stick to the normal formula (calorie deficit + 1/2 of calories burned)
  • NicoleHaki
    NicoleHaki Posts: 55 Member
    Sometimes it's just a matter of changing up what you eat. Instead of the office doughnuts and bagels I generally will bring myself a mid-morning whole grain light muffin with egg/turkey sausage and fat free cheese. Keeps the calories low, fiber and protein high, and is very satisfying. After I work out in the mornings I will eat bran cereal while I make my mid-morning muffin. It keeps me out of the break room and away from the doughnuts and bagels and cream cheese lol.

    Office snacks/carry-ins are the worst. If I allow it, it easily blows 500-1000 calories. So I avoid it by bringing alternatives.

    Yeah I can totally do this when I don't work out as much. Ex: we have snacks set up at 2pm, and I can totally choose a protein shake (1 scoop of protein powder + 8 oz unsweetened almond milk) over a pack of Goldfish if I didn't work out that day - but this trade becomes much harder if, for example, I worked out in the morning, walked to work, and also walked 15 mins each way to grab a salad at lunch.
  • katlady33
    katlady33 Posts: 2 Member
    NicoleHaki wrote: »
    I wanted to get everyone's thoughts about how to eat when you work out a lot. I work out a lot (probably an avg of 10 hours a week) and also walk a lot (I live in NYC and walk an avg of 12-15,000 steps a day). Ex: in a typical day, I'll do a 45-min interval training class at Equinox (I love MetCon3 and Tabata), add 15 mins on the treadmill, take a half-hour walk across town to get to work (and walk back also), and occasionally work out more after work.

    The problem is, this leaves me super hungry all day. Ex: if I take an interval training class and come to work and there are bagels, there's pretty much no chance I can turn down a bagel, even if I have a healthier breakfast (like yogurt and granola) prepared. The classes only burn 250-350 calories too. I burn a lot more calories with all the walking (walking to the gym and work with a big gym bag), but it still feels like a shame to feel hungry all day just because I got up early to burn a few hundred calories. After all of this I am maintaining my weight (and what I want is to lose).

    The reason I am posting is that yesterday I didn't work out or walk to work (for the first time in months) and came to work and noticed that I was significantly less hungry throughout the day. I would estimate that I was about half as hungry - if, in a typical "workout" day, I can eat 1800-2000 calories a day and still feel hungry, yesterday I felt like I would have been totally fine with 1100-1200 calories, and healthier food too.

    I do usually get a hefty calorie adjustment on MFP using my FitBit Charge HR (usually between 700-800 calories), but it seems kind of crazy to me. In order to lose weight and improve my calorie composition, am I better off having 1800-2000 calories a day while working out a lot and staying active throughout the day, or having 1150-1350 calories a day and cutting workouts completely? I love working out and think it's crazy to stop, but I'm also at a point where I have to realize that when I work out my body expects to eat at least 50% more than when I don't work out and this is making it difficult for me to achieve any goals.

    Before anyone suggest staying close to 1300 cals and adding something like half of the calories I burn working out - I'll start by saying I would love to do this but it's just not sustainable for me and would result in binge eating. I think this model would be sustainable if I was entirely sedentary outside of working out, but this is not the case.
    NicoleHaki wrote: »
    I wanted to get everyone's thoughts about how to eat when you work out a lot. I work out a lot (probably an avg of 10 hours a week) and also walk a lot (I live in NYC and walk an avg of 12-15,000 steps a day). Ex: in a typical day, I'll do a 45-min interval training class at Equinox (I love MetCon3 and Tabata), add 15 mins on the treadmill, take a half-hour walk across town to get to work (and walk back also), and occasionally work out more after work.

    The problem is, this leaves me super hungry all day. Ex: if I take an interval training class and come to work and there are bagels, there's pretty much no chance I can turn down a bagel, even if I have a healthier breakfast (like yogurt and granola) prepared. The classes only burn 250-350 calories too. I burn a lot more calories with all the walking (walking to the gym and work with a big gym bag), but it still feels like a shame to feel hungry all day just because I got up early to burn a few hundred calories. After all of this I am maintaining my weight (and what I want is to lose).

    The reason I am posting is that yesterday I didn't work out or walk to work (for the first time in months) and came to work and noticed that I was significantly less hungry throughout the day. I would estimate that I was about half as hungry - if, in a typical "workout" day, I can eat 1800-2000 calories a day and still feel hungry, yesterday I felt like I would have been totally fine with 1100-1200 calories, and healthier food too.

    I do usually get a hefty calorie adjustment on MFP using my FitBit Charge HR (usually between 700-800 calories), but it seems kind of crazy to me. In order to lose weight and improve my calorie composition, am I better off having 1800-2000 calories a day while working out a lot and staying active throughout the day, or having 1150-1350 calories a day and cutting workouts completely? I love working out and think it's crazy to stop, but I'm also at a point where I have to realize that when I work out my body expects to eat at least 50% more than when I don't work out and this is making it difficult for me to achieve any goals.

    Before anyone suggest staying close to 1300 cals and adding something like half of the calories I burn working out - I'll start by saying I would love to do this but it's just not sustainable for me and would result in binge eating. I think this model would be sustainable if I was entirely sedentary outside of working out, but this is not the case.

  • 30kgin2017
    30kgin2017 Posts: 228 Member
    katlady33 wrote: »
    I have heard from a trainer that this is largely due to cardio, and focusing on strength training alone will provide a lower heart rate and better results for fat loss. Continue cardio, but your fast walking to work is probably enough.
    This is why I personally gained weight training for a marathon. Insatiable cardio appetite!
    Good luck! I am using this technique as of late and have found less is more.

    Different exercise will affect people differently, cardio for me often has the opposite affect. The last thing I want after a run is food but strength training and its hard to keep me out of the fridge. Also for me time of day for exercise can also have an impact. Its usually after my evening run that I dont want dinner. A morning run and I might still be up for eating breakfast.
  • Momepro
    Momepro Posts: 1,509 Member
    I started waiting until after my workout before eating breakfast, and making sure it was low calorie, high protein but still filling. In my case, it's usually a couple eggs. That really helps me with the rest of my day.
  • smolmaus
    smolmaus Posts: 442 Member
    I lost the majority of my weight without exercise and sticking to 1200kcal a day was easy enough. I was hungry a lot but nowhere near the ravenous hunger I get now after a morning in the gym. But balancing exercise with eating back some of those calories and keeping a deficit has my body looking and feeling so much better so definitely do not give up the exercise, you just have to get over the short-term feed me immediately hump without ruining your deficit for the day.

    I bring a banana to work and have it on my desk all day and already in my food log, if there's temptation I eat the banana instead. Prelogging my food is invaluable for helping resist eating too much because my body is freaking out and blasting me with hunger signals which aren't real (chill out body, you're fine). I sometimes also prelog exercise to see exactly how my day is going to be balanced before I even start. I have an advantage in that I logged food, exercise calories, deficits and weight changes together in excel for a few months so I know how "off" the exercise calorie estimates MFP gives are for me (not very, personally). This is extra work obviously but it gives you a bit of security that if you eat back whatever % of your exercise calories (I also include calories from steps using the Pacer app) you are getting what you need and when your body is panicking that it's starving and NEEDS the bagel, you know it isn't.
  • flowerhorsey
    flowerhorsey Posts: 154 Member
    If I'm feeling starving then I know I'm not eating enough or what my body needs. A bagel or donut would only make me feel unsatisfied and probably a stomach ache, but that's me. I need lotsa protein ..and carbs from rice, potatoes, and fruits. I think I forgot your question... I have a lot of high protein/carbs prepped snacks for when I'm instantly starving.

    What do you have you activity level set to on mfp?
  • not_a_runner
    not_a_runner Posts: 1,343 Member
    NicoleHaki wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    In my own personal experience, I do better cutting weight when I'm doing a moderate amount of exercise vs a lot of exercise. I've tried cutting weight while training for endurance cycling events where I easily do 8-10 hours per week or more of exercise and it's an exercise in futility because I'm hungry and my body wants the recovery more than anything.

    I do best cutting weight with moderate exercise of 4-5 hours per week because I'm not constantly hungry and recovery is easy.

    Totally makes sense and I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this! I can totally manage macros when I don't work out or get minimal activity, but it's close to impossible to choose an egg or a piece of fruit over a bagel after an hour at Equinox and a half hour walk to work - what usually happens after a workout is that my body wants a bigger breakfast, a bigger lunch and ALSO a snack (instead of just a protein shake). Maybe I should incorporate rest days? Or maybe I should start taking the subway instead of walking so much - I think the walking is a big part of the reason why I can't just stick to the normal formula (calorie deficit + 1/2 of calories burned)

    I think moderate vs 'a lot' of exercise can certainly make a difference, but this bagel thing could too....

    You're comparing a single egg/piece of fruit which is maybe 70-100 calories to a, what, 300+ calories bagel?
    If the calories were equal you would probably find that eggs with fruit, for example, would be more satisfying than the bagel. Of course you are still hungry if you are trying to eat a single egg or piece of fruit.

    Like others suggested, I would try to make different food choices which will give you more food volume/satiety for equal or slightly less calories. You could eat a pretty decent meal for equal or less calories than a bagel.

    For me, not choosing the bagel could be key to achieving my calorie deficit without hunger. Planning meals in advance helps, and then acting on those plans. (A bagel will always sound good, but if I want to achieve my goals I may have to say no to them some days. It's difficult, but not impossible.)
  • Chunkahlunkah
    Chunkahlunkah Posts: 373 Member
    edited April 2018
    I think you’d be smart to experiment. Try it out for a couple months at the lower calorie level w/o the gym workouts and see how it goes. All that walking is a good amount of exercise in itself.

    Might be a good idea to do the workout once a week though to not completely lose its fitness benefits. That’ll likely make transitioning back to it down the road easier to do.
  • kpsyche
    kpsyche Posts: 345 Member
    katlady33 wrote: »
    I have heard from a trainer that this is largely due to cardio, and focusing on strength training alone will provide a lower heart rate and better results for fat loss. Continue cardio, but your fast walking to work is probably enough.
    This is why I personally gained weight training for a marathon. Insatiable cardio appetite!
    Good luck! I am using this technique as of late and have found less is more.

    Problem with that is that my heart rate gets higher doing weights than when I do cardio LOL
  • I used to be a marathon runner PB 3:54 & based all my training on stress & recovery..... one day of stress (serious training followed by a day of lighter training/rest day once a wk - that way your fat burning/metabolic rate remains high 24/7 and your body recovers on the lighter days by repairing & building muscle...you might find that this approach will mean your weight loss journey will be easier, I certainly did - ate just as much as I needed/what I liked & remained a size 8, super easy & no calorie counting! May be worth a try with your high level of cardio.....Good luck on your journey :-)
  • In addition to the above, if your training hard 7 days a week, chances are your body is continually tired and is compensating for this by a greater appetite requirement & increased hunger. By having a recovery day/lighter cardio day, both your mind & body rests & your appetite should stabilize without the increased need for a higher level of calories/food intake over the week. The bonus is that you reduce your likelihood of injury, achieve a higher level of fitness & strength long term & lose weight, all the best!
  • ap1972
    ap1972 Posts: 214 Member
    I find the intensity/timing of exercise often determines my hunger levels. A high intensity workout in the morning and I'm often struggling all day, a low intensity workout in the evening and I often find I don't even want my evening meal. You just need to find a pattern that works for you.
  • NicoleHaki
    NicoleHaki Posts: 55 Member
    katlady33 wrote: »
    I have heard from a trainer that this is largely due to cardio, and focusing on strength training alone will provide a lower heart rate and better results for fat loss. Continue cardio, but your fast walking to work is probably enough.
    This is why I personally gained weight training for a marathon. Insatiable cardio appetite!
    Good luck! I am using this technique as of late and have found less is more.

    Makes total sense, thanks. I think this may be true for me. My Vo2 max is also not that good so I was hoping to improve it - I hope my interval training is enough to help with this.
  • NicoleHaki
    NicoleHaki Posts: 55 Member
    If I'm feeling starving then I know I'm not eating enough or what my body needs. A bagel or donut would only make me feel unsatisfied and probably a stomach ache, but that's me. I need lotsa protein ..and carbs from rice, potatoes, and fruits. I think I forgot your question... I have a lot of high protein/carbs prepped snacks for when I'm instantly starving.

    What do you have you activity level set to on mfp?

    So I actually have it at the lowest activity level (I think I put sedentary but don't remember) to be on the safe side.
  • NicoleHaki
    NicoleHaki Posts: 55 Member
    NicoleHaki wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    In my own personal experience, I do better cutting weight when I'm doing a moderate amount of exercise vs a lot of exercise. I've tried cutting weight while training for endurance cycling events where I easily do 8-10 hours per week or more of exercise and it's an exercise in futility because I'm hungry and my body wants the recovery more than anything.

    I do best cutting weight with moderate exercise of 4-5 hours per week because I'm not constantly hungry and recovery is easy.

    Totally makes sense and I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this! I can totally manage macros when I don't work out or get minimal activity, but it's close to impossible to choose an egg or a piece of fruit over a bagel after an hour at Equinox and a half hour walk to work - what usually happens after a workout is that my body wants a bigger breakfast, a bigger lunch and ALSO a snack (instead of just a protein shake). Maybe I should incorporate rest days? Or maybe I should start taking the subway instead of walking so much - I think the walking is a big part of the reason why I can't just stick to the normal formula (calorie deficit + 1/2 of calories burned)

    I think moderate vs 'a lot' of exercise can certainly make a difference, but this bagel thing could too....

    You're comparing a single egg/piece of fruit which is maybe 70-100 calories to a, what, 300+ calories bagel?
    If the calories were equal you would probably find that eggs with fruit, for example, would be more satisfying than the bagel. Of course you are still hungry if you are trying to eat a single egg or piece of fruit.

    Like others suggested, I would try to make different food choices which will give you more food volume/satiety for equal or slightly less calories. You could eat a pretty decent meal for equal or less calories than a bagel.

    For me, not choosing the bagel could be key to achieving my calorie deficit without hunger. Planning meals in advance helps, and then acting on those plans. (A bagel will always sound good, but if I want to achieve my goals I may have to say no to them some days. It's difficult, but not impossible.)

    Yeah, so the bagel thing is only once a week, obviously bothered me enough to mention it though! On days when the bagel isn't in front of me it's easy to choose 300 calories worth of healthy food (ex: some mornings I'll have a hard boiled egg with a piece of ezekiel bread, and a couple of hours later I'll have a Larabar).

    I think the other aspect here is that I keep my carb intake on the lower side (maybe between 80-100 mg a day), not on purpose but because of the kinds of food choices I make (ex: I have a lot of eggs, quinoa, tempeh, legumes, vegetables with olive oil, salads, etc.) So when I do see the bagel after working out, I think my body gets excited about the opportunity to eat carbs.
  • artbyrachelh
    artbyrachelh Posts: 338 Member
    Yes! I can totally relate to your predicament! I've often felt so so frustrated by this concept. Thanks for posting this and for all the awesome ideas people responded. I hate exercise anyways, and then add to it the fact that I'm RAVENOUS because of it, forget it!!! But the alternative is not an option, either! Just feels like the cards are stacked against me sometimes. The only thing I can think is just have half a bagel.
  • flowerhorsey
    flowerhorsey Posts: 154 Member
    NicoleHaki wrote: »
    If I'm feeling starving then I know I'm not eating enough or what my body needs. A bagel or donut would only make me feel unsatisfied and probably a stomach ache, but that's me. I need lotsa protein ..and carbs from rice, potatoes, and fruits. I think I forgot your question... I have a lot of high protein/carbs prepped snacks for when I'm instantly starving.

    What do you have you activity level set to on mfp?

    So I actually have it at the lowest activity level (I think I put sedentary but don't remember) to be on the safe side.

    I'm still learning too. I've had mine set sedentary before too but was eating "over" . Recently I set it to lightly active, which is still on the safe side for me.. I'm pretty active.. But this, logging my exercises, walks, active work, and planning what to eat helps so much. And I eat back most of the calories.
  • TonyB0588
    TonyB0588 Posts: 9,520 Member
    NicoleHaki wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    However you need to meet your 'weekly' calorie deficit to lose weight do that. So if you need more calories on workout days and less on non workout/less activity days that is fine, also known as calorie cycling.

    I've never really looked at my weekly deficit - any thoughts on why I should use that number instead of looking at my daily deficit?

    Also, my bigger point is that it's significantly harder for me to reach a calorie deficit when I do work out than it is when I don't work out. Has anyone else experienced this?

    No. For me it's easier to reach a deficit when I work out because the workout creates an extra calorie allowance, which ultimately I don't use, therefore resulting in a deficit by default.
  • xxzenabxx
    xxzenabxx Posts: 948 Member
    I have the same issue too, that's why I cycle my calories. A total weekly deficit works wonders for people. I was listening to one of Lyle McDonalds podcast and he said high protein, moderate exercise like strength training and a 20% deficit where calories are cycled is a successful fat loss formula. Also, assuming you're a female, have you ever noticed you are more hungry just before your period? How much weight have you got to lose by the way? What are your stats so height weight and age etc would be helpful. You need to look at hormones too. If leptin is low then ghrelin is high which is the hunger hormone. Just thought I'd put that out there.
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