Fasting
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Well I don’t fast but I’m glad you found something that works for you. I see how that would be an easy way to build in a deficit. I don’t see anything bad about doing a 24 hr fast but I would never do it willingly lol.1
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stanmann571 wrote: »The one I recall was hospitalized the whole time. and got IV vitamins/minerals/hydration as well as regular blood draws to ensure he wasn't being harmed.
That might be the case too. It was from 50 some odd years ago so there could be several versions of the story by now. The story I recall had him coming to the hospital for regular checkups being given supplements plus yeast for nutrition/protein.
Regardless, one guy who was under fairly direct doctors care week after week, in patient or out. Is NOT a template for repeatable weight management.
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stanmann571 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »The one I recall was hospitalized the whole time. and got IV vitamins/minerals/hydration as well as regular blood draws to ensure he wasn't being harmed.
That might be the case too. It was from 50 some odd years ago so there could be several versions of the story by now. The story I recall had him coming to the hospital for regular checkups being given supplements plus yeast for nutrition/protein.
Regardless, one guy who was under fairly direct doctors care week after week, in patient or out. Is NOT a template for repeatable weight management.
I still can't rule out the possibility it was a stunt of some kind but I totally agree that if true (partially or otherwise) this is about the dumbest plan for losing weight someone can hatch.
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I guess what I do could be defined as Intermittent Fasting. Sometimes I eat dinner and then don't eat until lunch the next day. Sometimes I eat breakfast and don't eat again until dinner. I very rarely snack, because in general I am not hungry between meals. Snacks for me historically were always due to boredom and rarely ever due to actual hunger. In general, I just eat when I'm hungry and if I'm not hungry, I don't eat.2
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I can't fast. Last time I did a fast, my blood sugar tanked to 24. And the time before that was 37. I fainted. Both fasts were less than a day.1
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nicolehorn0114 wrote: »How can people sleep while doing this? I cannot sleep if I’m overly hungry.
Ditto. If I go to bed hungry, I'll wake up hungry and can't get back to sleep, which messes up the next day.1 -
I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.9 -
I skip breakfast and don't eat until 1pm because I prefer to eat at 11pm so I still call it Intermittent Fasting but some might argue it is not; frankly I don't care lol3
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I do the 16/8, 5 days a week. I actually try to narrow my window to less than a 6 hour eating window (18/6), and do two really filling meals (lunch/dinner). I'm not sure if "fasting" does a lot, but at the very least it helps me to eat less calories without counting everything.. and it works for me (easy to do because I'm busy of the mornings)! I'm at work by 6am, stay busy and on my feet until about noon, and I eat a good lunch of pretty much whatever I want.. home by 5, eat before 6 or 7, bed by 9:30.. lol.. I like it!0
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I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.2 -
mrsnattybulking wrote: »I skip breakfast and don't eat until 1pm because I prefer to eat at 11pm so I still call it Intermittent Fasting but some might argue it is not; frankly I don't care lol
If it works for you, it doesn't matter what anybody else chooses to call it.
The only proven advantage IF confers lies in satiety and adherence, so if your schedule is doing it for you, keep on keepin' on.5 -
It varies for me.
I've done 16:8 for longer periods of time with good luck because it works with how I prefer to eat (fewer, larger meals)... but it's also triggered/worsened binging tendencies, so I'm currently not IFing at all. "success" is determined by my own discipline or lack there of. Period.
Totally agree. I did IF regularly for about a year (twice weekly, 500 calories or less per 24/hr period) and I lost about 7 pounds and kept it off. But I slowly started gaining because fasting led to binging: "I'd better eat this candy bar now, at 10:30 p.m., 'cause I won't be able to tomorrow..." That's not a healthy mindset. So, I stopped fasting about a month ago. I've gained all that weight back and am back at my starting weight. A whole year of occasionally denying myself came undone in a month, so obviously, IF wasn't the healthy lifestyle I've been looking for. I still believe in it, just not for me right now.1 -
I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.
Yeah only water and coffee.4 -
But how do you not lose muscle?I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.
Yeah only water and coffee.
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L1zardQueen wrote: »
But how do you not lose muscle?I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.
Yeah only water and coffee.
Why would you?
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L1zardQueen wrote: »
But how do you not lose muscle?I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.
Yeah only water and coffee.
Why would you?
Because that’s what happens in extended starvation. And 8 days is starvation duration5 -
stanmann571 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »
But how do you not lose muscle?I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.
Yeah only water and coffee.
Why would you?
Because that’s what happens in extended starvation. And 8 days is starvation duration
How and why does this happen? I actually think I made some progress in some of the lifts.3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »
But how do you not lose muscle?I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.
Yeah only water and coffee.
Why would you?
Because that’s what happens in extended starvation. And 8 days is starvation duration
How and why does this happen? I actually think I made some progress in some of the lifts.
What sort of progress? That you can lift heavier? Or do you think you created more muscle mass?0 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »
But how do you not lose muscle?I've done IF and OMAD succesfully and 52 days ago I started to diet again and decided to use variations of fasting as tools to shred the fat as fast as I can. Down to 101Kg after 5000Kcal refeed from 113Kg.
I started by just going with 4/20 window, then after a month started to do every other day eating. It felt like *kitten* so I studied a bit and came to conclusion that I needed to eat keto or do longer fasts so my body would start to utilize fat storages better. Did both. I've done a 8 day fast followed by 2 days keto refeed. After that a 6 day fast followed by one day of keto refeed. Now on my 3rd fast and I'm gonna go until Sunday. During these fasts I've come down from 106Kg dry to 101Kg the morning after 5000Kcals of keto food. I haven't eaten any carbs so few kilograms of that is probably also water retention. I have not lost muscle and my stats are the same as 3 weeks ago.
Okay, I gotta know. Did you really eat no food and drink for 8 days? Or were you doing a modified fast, allowing certain foods and drinks? To me, when someone says their fasting, it means they're only drinking water during that time.
Yeah only water and coffee.
Why would you?
Because that’s what happens in extended starvation. And 8 days is starvation duration
How and why does this happen? I actually think I made some progress in some of the lifts.
What sort of progress? That you can lift heavier? Or do you think you created more muscle mass?
I can do more reps with the same weight in leg press and visually my legs look bigger. I've been doing stationary bike at 120bmp few times a week in addison to training the whole body before refeed on weekends. I still am not quite assured that doing resistance training while fasted could lead to muscle growth if you do not refeed right after but I might end up experimenting this week adding few light workouts.
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I do fast one day a week, definitely don’t starve myself. Keeps my belly nice and flat and I don’t (can’t) eat so much for the next days.2
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I do fast for the purposes I mentioned. I don't and won't ever do it for weight loss and my day long fasts are usually no more than 3 to 4 times a year. Twice a week is too much and from what I understand this is a means to triggering eating disorders in people with predispositions so please don't encourage others to follow you.
Isn’t a 2 day/week fast essentially just adhering to a 5/2 eating schedule? That’s a legit IF eating schedule isn’t it? *shrug*
I’ve done IF in the past, mostly a 16/8 type schedule, but nowadays I’m not too strict with it and am more like 14/10. Whatever works!2 -
I do fast for the purposes I mentioned. I don't and won't ever do it for weight loss and my day long fasts are usually no more than 3 to 4 times a year. Twice a week is too much and from what I understand this is a means to triggering eating disorders in people with predispositions so please don't encourage others to follow you.
Isn’t a 2 day/week fast essentially just adhering to a 5/2 eating schedule? That’s a legit IF eating schedule isn’t it? *shrug*
Just because you infer legitimacy to something that's merely a catchy name for a currently trendy way of eating, doesn't automatically make it useful, sustainable *or* safe.
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Isn’t a 2 day/week fast essentially just adhering to a 5/2 eating schedule? That’s a legit IF eating schedule isn’t it? *shrug*
I’ve done IF in the past, mostly a 16/8 type schedule, but nowadays I’m not too strict with it and am more like 14/10. Whatever works!
Except that we are talking about 24 hour fasts not a reduced 500-600 calorie days. Even still I am not a fan of the 5:2 diet as it stands. I suppose it is healthy enough for most people physically but I strongly question if it can be a sustainable lifestyle. At 2 days a week how often is one of those deprivation days going to hit on an already stressful day at work? You can only postpone and re-arrange the schedule so much before you run out of time. How bad is it going to suck to have a deprivation day on a weekend or a day off week after week? I am sure it works for someone but it would never work for me.
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I literally shove food in my face as I'm crawling into bed every night and I'm lucky to make it to 8:30am without eating again. I'm a starvin' marvin'...no fasting for me!4
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snickerscharlie wrote: »I do fast for the purposes I mentioned. I don't and won't ever do it for weight loss and my day long fasts are usually no more than 3 to 4 times a year. Twice a week is too much and from what I understand this is a means to triggering eating disorders in people with predispositions so please don't encourage others to follow you.
Isn’t a 2 day/week fast essentially just adhering to a 5/2 eating schedule? That’s a legit IF eating schedule isn’t it? *shrug*
Just because you infer legitimacy to something that's merely a catchy name for a currently trendy way of eating, doesn't automatically make it useful, sustainable *or* safe.
You can chillax sweetie. I don't personally like 5/2, but I've seen it addressed all over these forums by many different people, and it works for some - just because you don't see it as useful, sustainable, or safe for *yourself* doesn't mean it isn't for *someone else*
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Isn’t a 2 day/week fast essentially just adhering to a 5/2 eating schedule? That’s a legit IF eating schedule isn’t it? *shrug*
I’ve done IF in the past, mostly a 16/8 type schedule, but nowadays I’m not too strict with it and am more like 14/10. Whatever works!
Except that we are talking about 24 hour fasts not a reduced 500-600 calorie days. Even still I am not a fan of the 5:2 diet as it stands. I suppose it is healthy enough for most people physically but I strongly question if it can be a sustainable lifestyle. At 2 days a week how often is one of those deprivation days going to hit on an already stressful day at work? You can only postpone and re-arrange the schedule so much before you run out of time. How bad is it going to suck to have a deprivation day on a weekend or a day off week after week? I am sure it works for someone but it would never work for me.
Yes, absolutely.1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »I do fast for the purposes I mentioned. I don't and won't ever do it for weight loss and my day long fasts are usually no more than 3 to 4 times a year. Twice a week is too much and from what I understand this is a means to triggering eating disorders in people with predispositions so please don't encourage others to follow you.
Isn’t a 2 day/week fast essentially just adhering to a 5/2 eating schedule? That’s a legit IF eating schedule isn’t it? *shrug*
Just because you infer legitimacy to something that's merely a catchy name for a currently trendy way of eating, doesn't automatically make it useful, sustainable *or* safe.
You can chillax sweetie. I don't personally like 5/2, but I've seen it addressed all over these forums by many different people, and it works for some - just because you don't see it as useful, sustainable, or safe for *yourself* doesn't mean it isn't for *someone else*
First off, I'm not your sweetie. I'm old enough to be your mom.
Secondly, in my previous post, I was merely pointing out that just because a way of eating is given a catchy name like IF 5/2, doesn't automatically grant it legitimacy or efficacy.
For the record, I'm a fan of IF. Been intuitively doing 16/8 for decades. Long before IF became a 'thing.'3 -
You can chillax sweetie. I don't personally like 5/2, but I've seen it addressed all over these forums by many different people, and it works for some - just because you don't see it as useful, sustainable, or safe for *yourself* doesn't mean it isn't for *someone else*
I have seen it addressed by several people too. Usually by someone trying it as something new or having tried it in the past and moved on. I haven't seen one 6+ month practitioner yet but that is not to say that they don't exist. My guess is that long term it is probably an even more niche diet than liquid meal replacements.
I will be personally glad when IF goes back to just skipping breakfast and the lunacy of specialized fasting fades away. It irritates me to no end that what I have done for 25+ years is currently a fad with one of the dumbest names for an eating plan. Everyone that sleeps also intermittently fasts...5 -
I am doing the 20/4 hour fast almost 10 days0
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You can chillax sweetie. I don't personally like 5/2, but I've seen it addressed all over these forums by many different people, and it works for some - just because you don't see it as useful, sustainable, or safe for *yourself* doesn't mean it isn't for *someone else*
I have seen it addressed by several people too. Usually by someone trying it as something new or having tried it in the past and moved on. I haven't seen one 6+ month practitioner yet but that is not to say that they don't exist. My guess is that long term it is probably an even more niche diet than liquid meal replacements.
I will be personally glad when IF goes back to just skipping breakfast and the lunacy of specialized fasting fades away. It irritates me to no end that what I have done for 25+ years is currently a fad with one of the dumbest names for an eating plan. Everyone that sleeps also intermittently fasts...You can chillax sweetie. I don't personally like 5/2, but I've seen it addressed all over these forums by many different people, and it works for some - just because you don't see it as useful, sustainable, or safe for *yourself* doesn't mean it isn't for *someone else*
I have seen it addressed by several people too. Usually by someone trying it as something new or having tried it in the past and moved on. I haven't seen one 6+ month practitioner yet but that is not to say that they don't exist. My guess is that long term it is probably an even more niche diet than liquid meal replacements.
I will be personally glad when IF goes back to just skipping breakfast and the lunacy of specialized fasting fades away. It irritates me to no end that what I have done for 25+ years is currently a fad with one of the dumbest names for an eating plan. Everyone that sleeps also intermittently fasts...
The science of TRF and IF are just getting started. I mean it really wasn't on the radar a few years ago.0
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