Any alkalarians, blood pH people out there??

My husband has had a form of gout that is resistant to treatment since he was 15. In his particular case, gout is caused by a very high level of uric acid that his body cannot flush out fast enough. There is a specialized diet designed to help prevent excess acid from being formed by the body (though in his case it does not make a significant difference because of the extreme nature of his condition), and its almost exactly opposite of what you've put forward here.

That diet consists of carbs and fruit, no more than 2 to 3 oz. of meat daily, dark green vegetables can only be eaten up to 5 servings a week, and deep yellow/orange vegetables only up to 4 servings weekly. The diet is also low fat. This diet is very difficult to follow and only recommended under a doctors supervision, and is usually not even recommended unless organ failure is suspected to be a possibility.

However what you're describing... no carbs, no fruit, no animal products (so no protein or dairy). So the only things you can eat is vegetables and margarine? Some tofu for a change of pace? That's a very unbalanced eating practice, and I think you're setting yourself up for malnutrition.

My husband has had a form of gout that is resistant to treatment since he was 15. In his particular case, gout is caused by a very high level of uric acid that his body cannot flush out fast enough. There is a specialized diet designed to help prevent excess acid from being formed by the body (though in his case it does not make a significant difference because of the extreme nature of his condition), and its almost exactly opposite of what you've put forward here.

That diet consists of carbs and fruit, no more than 2 to 3 oz. of meat daily, dark green vegetables can only be eaten up to 5 servings a week, and deep yellow/orange vegetables only up to 4 servings weekly. The diet is also low fat. This diet is very difficult to follow and only recommended under a doctors supervision, and is usually not even recommended unless organ failure is suspected to be a possibility.

However what you're describing... no carbs, no fruit, no animal products (so no protein or dairy). So the only things you can eat is vegetables and margarine? Some tofu for a change of pace? That's a very unbalanced eating practice, and I think you're setting yourself up for malnutrition.

I don't see malnutrition in tihs method of eating. As I said some of the greatest athletes in the world eat like this. Vegetables have a ton of vitamins and minerals everyone knows that. Vegetables also have amino acids(protein), and they even have fat(avocados). Of course oils too.

Uric acid is a specific type of acid. According to you...
21oz of meat a week
1oz chicken thigh fried in batter = 93 calories * 7 = 651 calories total for the week.

green vegetables 5 servings a week
spinach serving = 7 calories * 7 = 49 calories for the week.

yellow/orange vegetable
tomato = 1 serving = 27 calories * 7 = 189 calories for the week.

If you add up all the weekly calories that's 889 calories per week. Divide that by 7 that's 127 calories a day... Yeah starvation does lead to organ failure. That's what causes people to die. I thought "maybe she didn't mean per week, maybe she meant per day" that's still extremely low 889 calories for a male... I even gave you the benefit of a doubt pick a HIGH Calorie meat, haha thigh is high in calories + it's deep fried in batter...Not sure if you left something out, or i misunderstood or what...

Unlimited carbs and fruit; they don't contain purines, which are the precursor to uric acid. So with the math you did for me, the other 1811 calories a day are carbs and sugar. What for most people is empty calories, is the food that makes up 80% of his diet, and the only thing that doesn't contribute to his condition.

I still fail to see where you're getting enough calories to survive when you aren't eating carbs, protein, dairy, or fruit. You've cut out all but one food group. Regardless of how many vitamins and minerals are in vegetables, you're body still needs a certain caloric intake to have the fuel required to use them.

This diet is complete unscientific nonsense and smacks of the half baked understanding of somebody (not accusing the OP) who has flicked through a physiology textbook without finishing any chapters!.

Body pH is extremely tightly regulated and the primary method of compensation for acidaemia (acidic blood) is by minute alterations in respiratory rate and tidal volume (how deep you breath). It is impossible to alter your body pH by altering what you eat, (unless you are diabetic and don;t take your insulin) because the rate at which food is absorbed is incredibly slow compared to the second to second variation in your breathing. Your stomach is also full of hydrochloric acid with a pH of 2-3. You are not in concious control of the respiratory variation although if you hyperventilate for a few minutes you can raise your pH to about 7.5 quite effectively for a few minutes before your kidneys compensate by retaining hydrogen ions. Your urine pH changes in compensation for changes in blood ph (if your blood is acidic your urine will be alkaline and vice versa).
Your body is a highly evolved system with self regulatory negative feedback loops and to imagine that you can manipulate that system in the way you are suggesting is frankly laughable.

BTW pH 7.3 is not highly alkaline, the normal body pH is 7.35-7.45. Someone with a pH of 7.3 is unwell. Someone with a pH of 7.5 is unwell.

Just looking for some alkalarians out there, so we can share recipes and support for this eating life style...

I know someone will ask what it is, so I'll say it now. It's a diet that focuses on green vegetables. This is stricter than a vegan diet. There are no breads or pastas's, or fruit on this diet, of course no animal products. I personally don't eat seed's or grains. Other alkalarian' do.

If you're curious of the "purpose" of this diet... below are my notes, and the main theory of this eating life style...

If tissue pH deviates too far to the acid side, oxygen levels decrease and cellular metabolism will stop.
There is a family of minerals particularly suited to neutralizing, or detoxifying, strong acids, including sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium. If there is insufficient amounts in the diet or in the the reserves they are recruited elsewhere and my be leached from the bones, or the muscle. If the acid overload gets too great for the blood to balance excess acid is dumped into the tissue for storage then the lymphatic system must neutralize the acid from the tissue turning out to mean dumping it right back into the blood, creating a vicious cycle of drawing out still more basic minerals from their ordinary functions and stressing liver and kidneys besides. If the lymphatic sytem is overloaded, or its vessels not functioning properly(a condition often caused by lack of exercise), acid builds up in the tissue. Acute or recurrent illnesses result from either the body trying to mobilize mineral reserves to prevent cellular breakdown or emergency attempts to detoxify the body. Chronic symptoms show up when all possibilities of neutralizing or eliminating acids have been exhausted. When acid wastes build up in the body and enter the bloodstream, the circulatory system will try to get rid of them in a liquid form, through the lungs or the kidneys. If there is too much waste to handle, they are deposited in various organ systems, including the heart, pancreas, liver, and color, or stored in fatty tissue, including the breast, hips, thighs, belly, and brain.

I'm not sure i understand, your not eating grains pasta, seed, bread meat or fish.

What are you actually eating just vegetables?

Edit: just looked up Jack lalanne as i'd never heard of him, he ate fish and a few grains aswell as eggwhite and a little half and half which from the sounds of it is milk. That isn't what you are suggesting in your op.

This diet is complete unscientific nonsense and smacks of the half baked understanding of somebody (not accusing the OP) who has flicked through a physiology textbook without finishing any chapters!.

Body pH is extremely tightly regulated and the primary method of compensation for acidaemia (acidic blood) is by minute alterations in respiratory rate and tidal volume (how deep you breath). It is impossible to alter your body pH by altering what you eat, (unless you are diabetic and don;t take your insulin) because the rate at which food is absorbed is incredibly slow compared to the second to second variation in your breathing. Your stomach is also full of hydrochloric acid with a pH of 2-3. You are not in concious control of the respiratory variation although if you hyperventilate for a few minutes you can raise your pH to about 7.5 quite effectively for a few minutes before your kidneys compensate by retaining hydrogen ions. Your urine pH changes in compensation for changes in blood ph (if your blood is acidic your urine will be alkaline and vice versa).
Your body is a highly evolved system with self regulatory negative feedback loops and to imagine that you can manipulate that system in the way you are suggesting is frankly laughable.

BTW pH 7.3 is not highly alkaline, the normal body pH is 7.35-7.45. Someone with a pH of 7.3 is unwell. Someone with a pH of 7.5 is unwell.

Yes you're right, you can't control your blood pH... What dos hyperventalating do? Create more carbon dioxide in the body which is a low oxygen enviorment which will support these microforms to live and survive. What does your body do to keep it tightly reqgulated... takes calcium from bones, magnesium from muscles... It HAS To be regulated or you will die. The process of "REGULATION" is what leads to these ilnnesses You shound like you come from a phsyiologist background. If you do, then you'd konw that cancer's and tumors cells live and thrive in a low oxygen climate which is also highly acidic. Like i said you're right about you can't control your blood pH. You can provide it with the proper nutrients, and minerals so your body doesn't HAVE TO RESORT to keeping your blood pH in balance. That's what causes the disease. You probably know that candida, myotoxins, exotoxins is the culprite of disease, they can't survive in a alkalined enviorment. They will die. "Healthy" blood pH is 7.365 7.4 is too acidic. It's interesting what you said about the kidney's and the urine. It also supports that diet can affect blood pH levels. My urine test was highly alkaline, Does this mean my blood is very acidic?

Jack lalanne followed a very similar diet, didn't he like swim 2 miles with a 1,000lbs boat handcuffed at thea ge of 90 or something?

I already mentioned stu mittle man, the guy who ran from San Deigo to new york.

A former UFC champion also eats like this...

if you do a search for vegan bodybuilders, the results are pretty great. I think a national champion bodybuilder is a raw vegan.

Check out the results in google. or youtube

But if you hyperventilate you LOWER your blood carbon dioxide, while your oxygen stays the same.

Anyhow, not going to get into a row about it. If you can work the diet in some healthy way that works for you then all to the good. But the "science" behind it makes no sense to me.

This diet is complete unscientific nonsense and smacks of the half baked understanding of somebody (not accusing the OP) who has flicked through a physiology textbook without finishing any chapters!.

Body pH is extremely tightly regulated and the primary method of compensation for acidaemia (acidic blood) is by minute alterations in respiratory rate and tidal volume (how deep you breath). It is impossible to alter your body pH by altering what you eat, (unless you are diabetic and don;t take your insulin) because the rate at which food is absorbed is incredibly slow compared to the second to second variation in your breathing. Your stomach is also full of hydrochloric acid with a pH of 2-3. You are not in concious control of the respiratory variation although if you hyperventilate for a few minutes you can raise your pH to about 7.5 quite effectively for a few minutes before your kidneys compensate by retaining hydrogen ions. Your urine pH changes in compensation for changes in blood ph (if your blood is acidic your urine will be alkaline and vice versa).
Your body is a highly evolved system with self regulatory negative feedback loops and to imagine that you can manipulate that system in the way you are suggesting is frankly laughable.

BTW pH 7.3 is not highly alkaline, the normal body pH is 7.35-7.45. Someone with a pH of 7.3 is unwell. Someone with a pH of 7.5 is unwell.

Yes you're right, you can't control your blood pH... What dos hyperventalating do? Create more carbon dioxide in the body which is a low oxygen enviorment which will support these microforms to live and survive. What does your body do to keep it tightly reqgulated... takes calcium from bones, magnesium from muscles... It HAS To be regulated or you will die. The process of "REGULATION" is what leads to these ilnnesses You shound like you come from a phsyiologist background. If you do, then you'd konw that cancer's and tumors cells live and thrive in a low oxygen climate which is also highly acidic. Like i said you're right about you can't control your blood pH. You can provide it with the proper nutrients, and minerals so your body doesn't HAVE TO RESORT to keeping your blood pH in balance. That's what causes the disease. You probably know that candida, myotoxins, exotoxins is the culprite of disease, they can't survive in a alkalined enviorment. They will die. "Healthy" blood pH is 7.365 7.4 is too acidic. It's interesting what you said about the kidney's and the urine. It also supports that diet can affect blood pH levels. My urine test was highly alkaline, Does this mean my blood is very acidic?

Jack lalanne followed a very similar diet, didn't he like swim 2 miles with a 1,000lbs boat handcuffed at thea ge of 90 or something?

I already mentioned stu mittle man, the guy who ran from San Deigo to new york.

A former UFC champion also eats like this...

if you do a search for vegan bodybuilders, the results are pretty great. I think a national champion bodybuilder is a raw vegan.

Check out the results in google. or youtube

But if you hyperventilate you LOWER your blood carbon dioxide, while your oxygen stays the same.

Anyhow, not going to get into a row about it. If you can work the diet in some healthy way that works for you then all to the good. But the "science" behind it makes no sense to me.

Okay i respect that. Yes you're right it LOWERS the carbon dioxide. SO this would be a more oxygen filled enviorment, is this more alkaline or more acidic? just curious.

It doesn't work that if Co2 goes down O2 rises. Co2 drops because of it's different permeability across the lung membrane, oxygen levels don't rise through hyperventilation. Because you lose bicarbonate ions (to Co2) you become alkalotic if you hyperventilate. But only for as long as you do it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis