too much protein?
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If I eat 2000 calories to maintain weight and eat 2500 calories, all in protein (real world impossible I know) then the excess absolutely will be broken down into components and stored in the fat cells.
Not all of the excess will be broken down and stored as fat unless you just laid on the couch and did nothing. But some will be built into muscle especially if you are doing any type of resistance training program.0 -
No seriously, zero of it will be "broken down and turned into fat" because your body just doesn't do that catabolic process. Your body will utilize carbs and protein above fat for energy and if you eat to many calories your body will end up with excess fat and store that fat, but it doesnt convert protein to fat.
Now I suppose really all people on this site care about is whether or not doing something will make them fatter. Will eating so much protein that you are above your caloric need make you fat...yeah it will, but not due to conversion.0 -
How can I change my setting to 30% protein? I am new to this website so far I love it but i'm already going to go over on my protein intake. I have 1 gram left & it's only 2:30 Help???0
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No seriously, zero of it will be "broken down and turned into fat" because your body just doesn't do that catabolic process. Your body will utilize carbs and protein above fat for energy and if you eat to many calories your body will end up with excess fat and store that fat, but it doesnt convert protein to fat.
Now I suppose really all people on this site care about is whether or not doing something will make them fatter. Will eating so much protein that you are above your caloric need make you fat...yeah it will, but not due to conversion.
My wording was bad. You're right. I meant my statement in a excess calorie way of making you fat, not in a sense of actual protein will be stored as fat. I'm 0 for 2 now with my bad wording in posts. Sigh.0 -
Excuse me?? Excess protein will be converted to glucose and stored as fat. I am a personal trainer and have been doing this for 13 yrs. If you dont believe me look at ACE( american counsel on Excercise) website http://www.acefitness.org/fitnessqanda/fitnessqanda_display.aspx?itemid=272
A: The human body is unable to store extra protein. Protein consumed in excess of the body's needs is not used to build muscle; rather, it is used for non-protein bodily functions.
If individuals consume protein in EXCESS of their CALORIC and protein needs, the extra protein will not be stored as protein. Unfortunately such extra protein is converted to and stored as fat. As a result, if individuals consume large amounts of extra protein in addition to their regular dietary intake, any weight gain would very likely be in the form of fat.
Not sure if serious.
No excess protein won't be stored as fat unless that excess protein intake caused your daily calorie intake to rise above your TDEE.
I eat alot of extra protein and I continue to lose 2 lbs per week and maintain as much muscle mass as possible given my goals. You might be a personal trainer and are good with exercise and training regimes, but your nutritional knowledge is subpar at best if this is what you really think.
No offense intended.
NONE TAKEN... Im sure you can read right.. it clearly states If individuals consume protein in EXCESS of their daily CALORIC and protein needs, the extra protein will not be stored as protein. Unfortunately such extra protein is converted t glycogen and stored as fat.
Of course you can lose wt just eating 1200 calories of just protein, but why would you do that? Eating more protein than you need is simply wasteful. Your muscles only need so much, You would be better off using those calories in fat or carbs to maintain satiation. Im glad you can read so I dont need to explain myself further0 -
I'm 0 for 2 now with my bad wording in posts. Sigh.
Heh no worries man. I realize that this is just the easier way of saying things...you eat to much protein it "turns" into fat. I actually have no problem with that. Really for 99% of people this is just a nitpicky semantics game. The issue I have is with people thinking it actually means that it literally TURNS into fat is just a science fact one.0 -
No seriously, zero of it will be "broken down and turned into fat" because your body just doesn't do that catabolic process. Your body will utilize carbs and protein above fat for energy and if you eat to many calories your body will end up with excess fat and store that fat, but it doesnt convert protein to fat.
Now I suppose really all people on this site care about is whether or not doing something will make them fatter. Will eating so much protein that you are above your caloric need make you fat...yeah it will, but not due to conversion.
What are you talking about?? Excess protein over your daily caloric needs is converted to glycogen and stored as fat! Where is your science coming from? Fat is stored energy!! It will be used. Protein is not used for energy unless your starving. Anytime you do any working out the first source of energy is muscle glycogen (blood sugar) when that is all gone your body will turn to your fat stores, thats what they are there for. Please do some research and see how protein is broken down by the body and how its is converted into glycogen by the body before you mistakenly give people advice.0 -
Protein converted to glucose. Yeah. Protein converted to glycogen. Yeah. I never contested that.
Glycogen converted to fat? Glucose converted to fat? Show me those pathways.0 -
During protein metabolism, some protein is converted to glucose in a process called gluconeogenesis, the formation of glucose from non-carbohydrate sources.
The basic difference between protein and carbohydrate is that while carbohydrates are made out of simple sugars (carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen), protein is made from amino acids (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and sufur). The nitrogen is a basic component of the protein's amino acids and accounts for 13 to 20% of the total mass.
The first step in protein metabolism is to break it into its constituent amino acids. These are absorbed into the blood stream.
The second step is to break down the amino acids into their constituent parts--catabolism, if you want to get technical about it. This removes the nitrogen or amino group from the amino acids. The process is called deamination.
Deamination breaks the amino group down into ammonia and what is termed the carbon skeleton. Ammonia is converted to urea, filtered through the kidneys, and excreted in urine. The carbon skeleton--which is composed of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen--can then by used either for protein synthesis, energy production (ATP), or converted to glucose by gluconeogenesis.0 -
How can I change my setting to 30% protein? I am new to this website so far I love it but i'm already going to go over on my protein intake. I have 1 gram left & it's only 2:30 Help???
No one answered this in their debate over whether excess protein is stored as fat or not.
Go to your home or profile, at the top click on Goals. Then at the lower part of the page click on change goals and you can change you goals. You may have to click on custom settings.0 -
During protein metabolism, some protein is converted to glucose in a process called gluconeogenesis, the formation of glucose from non-carbohydrate sources.
The basic difference between protein and carbohydrate is that while carbohydrates are made out of simple sugars (carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen), protein is made from amino acids (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and sufur). The nitrogen is a basic component of the protein's amino acids and accounts for 13 to 20% of the total mass.
The first step in protein metabolism is to break it into its constituent amino acids. These are absorbed into the blood stream.
The second step is to break down the amino acids into their constituent parts--catabolism, if you want to get technical about it. This removes the nitrogen or amino group from the amino acids. The process is called deamination.
Deamination breaks the amino group down into ammonia and what is termed the carbon skeleton. Ammonia is converted to urea, filtered through the kidneys, and excreted in urine. The carbon skeleton--which is composed of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen--can then by used either for protein synthesis, energy production (ATP), or converted to glucose by gluconeogenesis.
Lol if you want to get technical about it, I did mention that I was a biochemist right? Everything you say here is correct, however I would like to point out none of it traces a path from protein to fat.
If you want something else to flip out over how about this one. Carbohydrates don't "turn" into fat either.0 -
Is fat created by the tooth fairy? Since none of the macronutrients "turn" into fat.. Excess calories regardless their source will be stored as adipose tissue0
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catabolic is the breaking down and anabolic is the building up
Jdine was correct I was mistaken0 -
No, fat is ingested and retained in cases where the energy requirements are met or exceeded by your caloric intake. The other macronutrients are not "turned" into fat.0
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Wait a second...are you calling glycogen stored in tissue "fat"? If so I think I see where the confusion lies. Glycogen is a polysaccharide (carbohydrate) while fat is a long-chain hydrocarbon stored as triglycerides branching off of glycerol in the form of lipids.0
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No, fat is ingested and retained in cases where the energy requirements are met or exceeded by your caloric intake. The other macronutrients are not "turned" into fat.
Ha ha haa.. Err incorrect!!
The word metabolism only describes the two metabolic processes catabolic & anabolic. catabolic is the breaking down and anabolic is the building up.. Lol please stop your making me laugh . You must be ripped.. please post some pics.0 -
Oops. You are correct about catabolism, I misspoke there and have removed that comment as it is incorrect.
From your picture you are much more muscular than I am. Does that mean you are correct? I am confused by that logic.
Simple question. Show me biochemically how you go from protein, to glucose, to glycogen to FAT. You keep saying this happens but you keep stopping at glycogen.0 -
I am going to try to restate this clearly. You tell me where you think I am wrong.
First, macronutrients go to required body functions and maintenance of tissues then they go to thermal processes and energy
Energy in this case is the creation and utilization of ATP.
Carbohydrates in excess are stored as polysaccharide chains, in the case of humans a branched glucose polymer known as glycogen. Protein can be deaminated, the excess nitrogen excreted in urine, and the remaining carbon chain fed into the citric acid cycle to produce glucose which in turn can be stored as glycogen.
Fats in turn are stored as triglycerides which are three saturated or unsaturated hydrocarbon chains attached to a glycerol.
There is no conversion between Protein/Carbs and Fat, the storage molecule is different. Glycogen is stored in the muscle and its storage is generally limited and short term while fat can build up as long term storage. If your body has excess calories for its metabolic need be that energy from protein, fat or carbs ingested the body will form triglycerides from long chain hydrocarbons and store it. If you eat to much protein your body will store more fat, however it is INCORRECT to say that protein is metabolically converted into fat.
If you were to eat a 7000 calorie excess of protein you most certainly would retain any fat you also ingested but you would not convert it to 2 pounds of fat you would excrete the majority of it. This would of course be a bad idea as your liver would be overtaxed for sure trying to process and excrete all that excess.
How do we know this? You can radioactively label the carbons in a metabolite, ingest them and then track where they end up. If you C-14 label amino acids and feed them to a mouse the carbons do not end up in triglycerides. Thats all I'm saying.0 -
Excuse me?? Excess protein will be converted to glucose and stored as fat. I am a personal trainer and have been doing this for 13 yrs. If you dont believe me look at ACE( american counsel on Excercise) website http://www.acefitness.org/fitnessqanda/fitnessqanda_display.aspx?itemid=272
A: The human body is unable to store extra protein. Protein consumed in excess of the body's needs is not used to build muscle; rather, it is used for non-protein bodily functions.
If individuals consume protein in excess of their caloric and protein needs, the extra protein will not be stored as protein. Unfortunately such extra protein is converted to and stored as fat. As a result, if individuals consume large amounts of extra protein in addition to their regular dietary intake, any weight gain would very likely be in the form of fat.
Edit: Eh, don't want to get involved in t his one.0 -
So, what your saying, is if people eat a 0 fat diet, and go THOUSANDS over their daily caloric requirement, their body will store 0 fat, and they won't gain any body fat? Unlikely.0
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"So, what your saying, is if people eat a 0 fat diet, and go THOUSANDS over their daily caloric requirement, their body will store 0 fat, and they won't gain any body fat? Unlikely"
No if someone ate a zero fat diet the body could undergo lipogenesis which is an alternate metabolic pathway in order to produce fat however its energetically unfavorable so you would have to eat thousands over your daily caloric limit just to survive that way. That is why for all pracitcal purposes fat is essential and there is no such thing as a healthy 0% fat diet. If you are consuming fat at all and are above your caloric limit your body will store the fat and utilize the protein for energy or glycogen production and excrete the rest.
Although when one thinks fat one typically thinks that gristly part of meat the biochemical component of fat, glycerol and fatty acid chains, are present in all life plants an animals, and would be basically impossible to avoid completely in your diet.
What I am talking about is what actually happens in your body in an everyday normal diet. You do not convert protein to fat even in caloric excess. Could you do some sort of wierd dietary contorsion to force that conversion...possibly, but it doesn't happen normally.0 -
Thank you for this information. I have been going crazy trying to figure this out. Have had double digit carbs 'left over' at the end of the day and could not figure out why this seemed so out of whack. will follow your instructions tomorrow and get my protein goal under control. Have been coming in about 100 cals under daily calorie goal every day and was determined not to eat chips/pretzel type junk to come up to my carb #. Thanks again--Suzann0
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