Cubii under-desk elliptical
Amerek412
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My fiance just ordered me a Cubii for my birthday and it'll be here in about a week. I'm really excited and curious if anyone here has experience with them. Do you feel it really provides moderate exercise? Do you think the calorie burns are accurate, or maybe inflated? I'm 5'2 and work a desk job, with a 2 hr total commute everyday, so any calorie burn I can fit in during the work day and increase my TDEE is a big deal for me.
My biggest concern with it is the noise. I know it's suppose to be quiet, but reviews say it's anywhere from completely silent to a mild fan-like hum. I work in an office where everyone is only separated by 6ft high, 4in thick cubical walls, so barely any sound barrier there. I just hope it's not annoying to my surrounding coworkers and get complaints.
My other concern is if it gives inflated calorie burns, since you can auto-sync it to fitbit and I'd really like to utilize this feature. I only have about 15-20 lbs to lose so I don't have a lot of room for error. I use my fitbit for my general TDEE, which I've found to be fairly accurate for me, and I'm concerned that the "steps" counted for the Cubii won't actually cost the same calories as if I actually walked them. I know I'll just have to monitor my weightloss after a few weeks of using it, but just looking to see other's thoughts/experiences with it.
My biggest concern with it is the noise. I know it's suppose to be quiet, but reviews say it's anywhere from completely silent to a mild fan-like hum. I work in an office where everyone is only separated by 6ft high, 4in thick cubical walls, so barely any sound barrier there. I just hope it's not annoying to my surrounding coworkers and get complaints.
My other concern is if it gives inflated calorie burns, since you can auto-sync it to fitbit and I'd really like to utilize this feature. I only have about 15-20 lbs to lose so I don't have a lot of room for error. I use my fitbit for my general TDEE, which I've found to be fairly accurate for me, and I'm concerned that the "steps" counted for the Cubii won't actually cost the same calories as if I actually walked them. I know I'll just have to monitor my weightloss after a few weeks of using it, but just looking to see other's thoughts/experiences with it.
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Can't answer your question but definitely following because I'm curious about this as well. When you get it, please follow up to let us know your experience as I have been considering getting one myself! Hopefully someone here will have more info on this...1
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A non-weight bearing rotation of an under desk cycle at (presumably low intensity) is nothing like a weight-bearing step walking.
Be very cautious/conservative of calorie burn estimates.11 -
It will help mobility compared to regular sitting.0
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I think the greatest value this device MIGHT have is to the circulation.
the ad claims avg user burns 150 cal/hour, but, it does not define 'average user' so that isn't useful information.
I suspect an hour on this device is something one would have to work towards, as I am supposing the muscles are used differently from any other device we've tried. My feet hurt in sympathy watching the video:https://duckduckgo.com/?q=youtube+cubii&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=V0ICZ7BzSUc3 -
The syncing of the device to Fitbit should replace any step-based calorie burn Fitbit came up with.
Fitbit will keep the step count and perhaps the distance depending on what the Cubii sends, but the calorie count should be shown in a new Workout Record which will replace whatever Fitbit came up with for that chunk of time.
It may send distance too, which would replace Fitbit's estimate also - but that is just a goal stat.
My concern would be using Fitbit's exercise diary for review of things - I could see it being scattered with tons of little workouts depending on how the Cubii sends up a workout, if it's each time you stop for 5 seconds that would be bad, if it waits 5 min to decide you really stopped using it, then hopefully it back tracks to the past time and allows any Fitbit steps/distance/calories to then count from then on.
Since Fitbit is a replace-only system, not add-on, if a chunk of time with stats is replaced with a workout and it's stats - you could lose some valid info - if only 5 min, probably no big deal. Unless it's 20 x daily losing 5 min of you getting up and walking.
I'm very curious though what the device sends to Fitbit - if you could please update us I'd like to know.
Oh, about Cubii's calorie estimate - elliptical in general has no good formula's and studies have been all over the place because of the differences in resistance and how you do the motions.
Perhaps since Cubii is sitting style, they ran some tests for decent formula to use.
If they use the watts resistance from a decent motor you are pushing against - they can nail it just like a power meter on a bike. It'll only be net calorie burn in that case, not including the BMR - so a workout created with that would be missing calories on Fitbit.3 -
A non-weight bearing rotation of an under desk cycle at (presumably low intensity) is nothing like a weight-bearing step walking.
Be very cautious/conservative of calorie burn estimates.
I definitely plan to take the calorie burns with a grain of salt. That being said I would think it could be given more credit than to call it totally non-weight bearing since it does provide resistance settings which cause you to actively push the pedals, rather than passively going through the eliptical motion with your legs. I could see myself using it for 4+ hours a day, so I'd think that slight extra effort adds up. We'll see...The syncing of the device to Fitbit should replace any step-based calorie burn Fitbit came up with.
Fitbit will keep the step count and perhaps the distance depending on what the Cubii sends, but the calorie count should be shown in a new Workout Record which will replace whatever Fitbit came up with for that chunk of time.
It may send distance too, which would replace Fitbit's estimate also - but that is just a goal stat.
My concern would be using Fitbit's exercise diary for review of things - I could see it being scattered with tons of little workouts depending on how the Cubii sends up a workout, if it's each time you stop for 5 seconds that would be bad, if it waits 5 min to decide you really stopped using it, then hopefully it back tracks to the past time and allows any Fitbit steps/distance/calories to then count from then on.
Since Fitbit is a replace-only system, not add-on, if a chunk of time with stats is replaced with a workout and it's stats - you could lose some valid info - if only 5 min, probably no big deal. Unless it's 20 x daily losing 5 min of you getting up and walking.
I'm very curious though what the device sends to Fitbit - if you could please update us I'd like to know.
Oh, about Cubii's calorie estimate - elliptical in general has no good formula's and studies have been all over the place because of the differences in resistance and how you do the motions.
Perhaps since Cubii is sitting style, they ran some tests for decent formula to use.
If they use the watts resistance from a decent motor you are pushing against - they can nail it just like a power meter on a bike. It'll only be net calorie burn in that case, not including the BMR - so a workout created with that would be missing calories on Fitbit.
From what I've read it takes a while to "report" to Fitbit, though I was hoping it would count as just steps/distance rather than a dedicated logged exercise. Honestly hadn't considered this so definitely something I'll lookout for.
I'll be sure to update this post with my thoughts on it once it get it though!0 -
Resistance does not equal weight bearing, two different things.
I cycle a lot, all the time I'm in the saddle it's a non weight bearing exercise - it's only when I'm briefly standing cycling that it becomes a weight bearing exercise.
My point wasn't long duration, low intensity exercise doesn't add up I simply said it can't be seen as the equivalent of steps.4 -
Resistance does not equal weight bearing, two different things.
I cycle a lot, all the time I'm in the saddle it's a non weight bearing exercise - it's only when I'm briefly standing cycling that it becomes a weight bearing exercise.
My point wasn't long duration, low intensity exercise doesn't add up I simply said it can't be seen as the equivalent of steps.
Yeah fair point!1 -
A non-weight bearing rotation of an under desk cycle at (presumably low intensity) is nothing like a weight-bearing step walking.
Be very cautious/conservative of calorie burn estimates.
I definitely plan to take the calorie burns with a grain of salt. That being said I would think it could be given more credit than to call it totally non-weight bearing since it does provide resistance settings which cause you to actively push the pedals, rather than passively going through the eliptical motion with your legs. I could see myself using it for 4+ hours a day, so I'd think that slight extra effort adds up. We'll see...The syncing of the device to Fitbit should replace any step-based calorie burn Fitbit came up with.
Fitbit will keep the step count and perhaps the distance depending on what the Cubii sends, but the calorie count should be shown in a new Workout Record which will replace whatever Fitbit came up with for that chunk of time.
It may send distance too, which would replace Fitbit's estimate also - but that is just a goal stat.
My concern would be using Fitbit's exercise diary for review of things - I could see it being scattered with tons of little workouts depending on how the Cubii sends up a workout, if it's each time you stop for 5 seconds that would be bad, if it waits 5 min to decide you really stopped using it, then hopefully it back tracks to the past time and allows any Fitbit steps/distance/calories to then count from then on.
Since Fitbit is a replace-only system, not add-on, if a chunk of time with stats is replaced with a workout and it's stats - you could lose some valid info - if only 5 min, probably no big deal. Unless it's 20 x daily losing 5 min of you getting up and walking.
I'm very curious though what the device sends to Fitbit - if you could please update us I'd like to know.
Oh, about Cubii's calorie estimate - elliptical in general has no good formula's and studies have been all over the place because of the differences in resistance and how you do the motions.
Perhaps since Cubii is sitting style, they ran some tests for decent formula to use.
If they use the watts resistance from a decent motor you are pushing against - they can nail it just like a power meter on a bike. It'll only be net calorie burn in that case, not including the BMR - so a workout created with that would be missing calories on Fitbit.
From what I've read it takes a while to "report" to Fitbit, though I was hoping it would count as just steps/distance rather than a dedicated logged exercise. Honestly hadn't considered this so definitely something I'll lookout for.
I'll be sure to update this post with my thoughts on it once it get it though!
to the bolded point above:
I am interested in your experience with how much you do end up using it each day. I try to imagine maintaining a steady pace/resistance and am not sure I could do so without a lot of mental effort.
One of my concerns is how it could divide my attention on the job and cause my productivity to drop because i'm not giving sufficient focus to the reason I'm sitting at the desk in the first place.
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I am following this thread as I am interested in what you, the OP, think once you have it and use it for a bit.0
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A non-weight bearing rotation of an under desk cycle at (presumably low intensity) is nothing like a weight-bearing step walking.
Be very cautious/conservative of calorie burn estimates.
I definitely plan to take the calorie burns with a grain of salt. That being said I would think it could be given more credit than to call it totally non-weight bearing since it does provide resistance settings which cause you to actively push the pedals, rather than passively going through the eliptical motion with your legs. I could see myself using it for 4+ hours a day, so I'd think that slight extra effort adds up. We'll see...The syncing of the device to Fitbit should replace any step-based calorie burn Fitbit came up with.
Fitbit will keep the step count and perhaps the distance depending on what the Cubii sends, but the calorie count should be shown in a new Workout Record which will replace whatever Fitbit came up with for that chunk of time.
It may send distance too, which would replace Fitbit's estimate also - but that is just a goal stat.
My concern would be using Fitbit's exercise diary for review of things - I could see it being scattered with tons of little workouts depending on how the Cubii sends up a workout, if it's each time you stop for 5 seconds that would be bad, if it waits 5 min to decide you really stopped using it, then hopefully it back tracks to the past time and allows any Fitbit steps/distance/calories to then count from then on.
Since Fitbit is a replace-only system, not add-on, if a chunk of time with stats is replaced with a workout and it's stats - you could lose some valid info - if only 5 min, probably no big deal. Unless it's 20 x daily losing 5 min of you getting up and walking.
I'm very curious though what the device sends to Fitbit - if you could please update us I'd like to know.
Oh, about Cubii's calorie estimate - elliptical in general has no good formula's and studies have been all over the place because of the differences in resistance and how you do the motions.
Perhaps since Cubii is sitting style, they ran some tests for decent formula to use.
If they use the watts resistance from a decent motor you are pushing against - they can nail it just like a power meter on a bike. It'll only be net calorie burn in that case, not including the BMR - so a workout created with that would be missing calories on Fitbit.
From what I've read it takes a while to "report" to Fitbit, though I was hoping it would count as just steps/distance rather than a dedicated logged exercise. Honestly hadn't considered this so definitely something I'll lookout for.
I'll be sure to update this post with my thoughts on it once it get it though!
There is either an Activity Record, which Fitbit makes itself usually.
It's the stats from Fitbit for a chunk of time, so it's steps, distance calculated, and calories calculated. This is what is already in the daily totals. You can create an Activity Record for any chunk of time to see the stats for it - it's what a sleep record is really. It's basically just a snapshot of what is already there.
There is a Workout Record, which you can manually create on Fitbit using your own figures or database, or imported from other syncs.
This replaces the Fitbit stats for a chunk of time, for whatever is brought over. Usually not steps since that would prevent doing any challenges or contests correctly, sometimes distance if the 3rd party source is setup as trusted, but at least time stamp, duration, and calories. This will then be in the daily stats.
If it takes awhile, it's probably doing what I'd think would be best - don't send anything until it's sure you appear to be done, that way there isn't a bunch of small workouts.
I doubt it would see steps correctly, many on ellipticals with full movement miss steps already, and as mentioned already the steps seen have no bearing on distance or calories anyway which use formula for walking/running.
I'm mainly curious how it'll handle a large chunk of time, say that 4 hrs, with a bunch of paused action likely to happen. Best for chance of accuracy would be do what Fitbit does when no steps seen, assign a BMR level burn to that time. Then add on calories for the other time - then send one big workout up to replace the incorrect Fitbit seen stats.0 -
fitbit users: my experience with Fitbit counting steps or other exercise is unreliable.
on suggestion from a friend, I spent a few minutes swinging my arms back and forth, and watched Fitbit count that as steps, but , I was seated the entire time.
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fitbit users: my experience with Fitbit counting steps or other exercise is unreliable.
on suggestion from a friend, I spent a few minutes swinging my arms back and forth, and watched Fitbit count that as steps, but , I was seated the entire time.
And look at the distance you received for those "steps", and the calories calculated from that.
You can create an Activity Record for that exact span of a min say to see what those stats are.
You'll likely find as does anyone - it's so super minor - it's merely making up for the fact you only receive sleeping BMR level burn the whole time you are awake but no steps show up. Even when standing no steps - only sleeping level burn - and you are burning more.
You can also walk with your arms crossed against your chest and discover how Fitbit actually counts steps - by impact seen.
What you did can even be minimized by some of the settings available to indeed take into account bogus steps being seen on wrist mounted trackers.0 -
fitbit users: my experience with Fitbit counting steps or other exercise is unreliable.
on suggestion from a friend, I spent a few minutes swinging my arms back and forth, and watched Fitbit count that as steps, but , I was seated the entire time.
I don't often swing my arms back and forth while sitting so I don't expect that to really be an issue lol. It does count steps when I'm pushing a shopping cart or have my hand in my pocket as well, so there's that.0 -
fitbit users: my experience with Fitbit counting steps or other exercise is unreliable.
on suggestion from a friend, I spent a few minutes swinging my arms back and forth, and watched Fitbit count that as steps, but , I was seated the entire time.
To the bolded part, I think it could be somewhat more reliable as it's not the Fitbit itself that would count the steps, but the eliptical itself as it's Bluetooth capable with its own dedicated app which then syncs to Fitbit to count as steps.
As to your comments on Fitbit itself, I don't think the majority of Fitbit users assume they are accurate to the very last step, but they give a very good picture of your daily activity. Most people arent swinging their arms around purposfully trying to get extra steps, and as a pp pointed out, you don't get much reward in calories/distance/etc from +/- 200 miscounted steps in a day.2 -
I have a desk cycle and it definitely gets my heart rate up a little bit. It's better than nothing which is the alternative since I have a desk job and can't move much all day. Even if you just do enough to burn 100 extra calories a day, that's something! It adds up especially if you are doing it in addition to other healthy habits.3
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I have a different brand, but a similar product. I wouldn't count it as intentional exercise, rather as a way to increase your NEAT. If you're using it while doing work, you're not likely to raise your heart rate enough anyway.0
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kimkimcoleman wrote: »I have a desk cycle and it definitely gets my heart rate up a little bit. It's better than nothing which is the alternative since I have a desk job and can't move much all day. Even if you just do enough to burn 100 extra calories a day, that's something! It adds up especially if you are doing it in addition to other healthy habits.I have a different brand, but a similar product. I wouldn't count it as intentional exercise, rather as a way to increase your NEAT. If you're using it while doing work, you're not likely to raise your heart rate enough anyway.
Thanks to you both, this is what I was hoping for! I wasn't expecting it to provide any actual intentional exercise, just a way to raise my overall calorie expenditure throughout the day since currently, 1200 cals isn't cutting it lol1 -
That looks very cool. But I can’t help wonder what about the rest of the body? You’ll end up with some pretty toned legs, but have you got other workouts in place for working on all parts of the body?0
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bluesheeponahill wrote: »That looks very cool. But I can’t help wonder what about the rest of the body? You’ll end up with some pretty toned legs, but have you got other workouts in place for working on all parts of the body?
Yup, I lift weights 4 nights a week, 2 nights upper body 2 nights lower1 -
Wanted to give an update for those interested now that I've been using it for a little while.
Tl;Dr: Although I'm somewhat disappointed in the Bluetooth related functionality (which was the main reason I wanted this very expensive one over much cheaper options), it preforms very well in the actual use of it and I highly highly recommend it for those with desk jobs who want to increase their calorie burn throughout the day.
I'm overall very very pleased with the cubii. It's not completely silent, but it's basically like a fan and my co-workers say they can hear it but find it soothing and not bothersome. It did take me a few days to find the right positioning that was comfortable for me, but once I did I can use it with little to no thought or distraction from my work.
Now on to the good stuff. I definitely believe the calorie burn it estimates is reasonable. I average about 3-3.5 cumulative hours of use (usually 30 min to 1 hr stretches at a time) a day, at around 90 rpm, and maintain a heart rate around 90-105 bpm (according to my Fitbit at least) while using it, and burn an avg of 350-400 calories for the whole day. That's about the same HR as when I'm casually walking, and while it's not a strenuous task in itself, after using it for 30 min to an hour straight I can really feel it in my thighs and hamstrings. I've also been able to work up a slight sweat when maintaining around 105-115 rpm for an extended period of time. All this is to say that it's not as simple as passively moving your legs in an elliptical motion, and while it's definitely not a cardio exercise, I do believe the cummulative effort adds up. I also have the cubii itself set to resistance 2, but put in the app it's resistance 1 (since it doesn't automatically know and you have to manually set it), and figure the slight under reporting of calorie burn would give me a cushion for any innate over-estimations.
Now on to the bad. The biggest reason I wanted a cubii vs much cheaper options was that it syncs to Bluetooth and automatically reports to Fitbit, and I'm pretty dispointed because it definitely does not accurately report calorie burn. How it works is that every half hour, on the half hour, cubii reports your "steps" and calorie burn to Fitbit as a "walk" under exercise. For those wondering, it counts steps as just over half of your actual strides. For example, if you complete 20K strides, it will report that as 11K steps to Fitbit, and this it does well and accurately. Though, disappointingly these steps do not count in challenges for some odd reason.. It will also show the calories you burned in that half hour period, but it does not actually add that amount on top of your Fitbit TDEE, it just stays the same! I was confused at first because my TDEE is higher than what I would expect it to be if I hadn't been using the cubii (I use my Fitbit TDEE as a basis for how many cals I can eat that day, and therefore pay a lot of attention to it and know where it should be based on my activity at certain times throughout the day), but not nearly as high as I'd expect considering the calorie burn reported by cubii. I finally paid attention and made note of my calories at 9:29, just before cubii reported, and once it synced at 9:30 it only went up 1 calorie, which I assume to be the 1 calorie I burned just for living for that 1 min. I assume that the increase of TDEE that does show is because Fitbit can still detect my increased HR throughout the day.
On an average day where I don't go out of my way to get extra activity, I'd say I get about 6K steps and a TDEE of 1500-1600. Since using the cubii I average around 15K steps, with an additional 350-400 burn, yet my TDEE is around 1700-1800 rather than the expected 1800-2000. I know it sounds like a minimal difference to most but when your deficit is as tight as mine is, it's a lot. It's also an avoidable annoyance since I have the knowledge that my TDEE is incorrect, but it was a feature I was really looking forward to is all. I am also reluctant to trust either TDEE estimation given my small room for error, so my plan moving forward is to continue basing my calorie allowance off my fitbit TDEE, and in a few weeks if I'm losing too quickly I'll adjust.
I know this was an insanely extensive review haha but I am just pretty excited about it and was never able to find this kind of detailed info on cubii myself, so I figured others who may be researching it in the future would appreciate it.9 -
Thank you for the detailed review! It is a ton of money to spend for those of us considering purchasing so having this info is wonderful!
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My local consignment shop has a low-tech version of this for $6 - after reading your review I might go pick it up for my desk job
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Thanks for the awesome review!! I have always been tempted to buy one of these!0
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Without an increase in TDEE after the Cubii reports to Fitbit, I'm wondering if it's sending a workout, and it just so happens to match calorie burn for what Fitbit had already (which would be wild), if it's sending an Activity Record to merely show what Fitbit came up with during that time, or if it's not sending calories but only steps.
And yes, step increases from basically synced or manually added workouts can't count towards challenges.
Because when you manually enter a walk or run, Fitbit uses the distance given with your stride length and calculates steps.
So people figure out early on set a small stride length, enter a big distance workout, and get tons of steps in challenges.
So that method was nixed.
So when you click in Fitbit on the Workout or Activity record to edit it - can you change the name?
Because Workout Records, which replace what Fitbit already has - doesn't have editable name or notes available.
But an Activity Record, which is merely showing what Fitbit already has for that chunk of time, you can put in your own name and notes section, but no calories, only time change.
Just curious. From your description - they are relying on Fitbit's calorie burn estimate based on HR then.
Great review, and sounds like a walking desk almost for that calorie burn and effort, so indeed good increased TDEE.0 -
Could I ask how tall you are? I'm a 6'2" guy and my knees almost hit the desk when sitting. Can't imagine someone over 5'8" or so could really make this work.
Thanks.0 -
I'm so glad you posted this update! I have the Cubii as well, but opted out of the more expensive Fitbit syncing one. I'm glad I did! I was worried about the accuracy and wondered if it would be worth the extra money. I have rarely used mine and the post has motivated me to get to using it again.
I am a 5'3" female and in absolutely NO danger of hitting my knees under the desk 0 -
Without an increase in TDEE after the Cubii reports to Fitbit, I'm wondering if it's sending a workout, and it just so happens to match calorie burn for what Fitbit had already (which would be wild), if it's sending an Activity Record to merely show what Fitbit came up with during that time, or if it's not sending calories but only steps.
And yes, step increases from basically synced or manually added workouts can't count towards challenges.
Because when you manually enter a walk or run, Fitbit uses the distance given with your stride length and calculates steps.
So people figure out early on set a small stride length, enter a big distance workout, and get tons of steps in challenges.
So that method was nixed.
So when you click in Fitbit on the Workout or Activity record to edit it - can you change the name?
Because Workout Records, which replace what Fitbit already has - doesn't have editable name or notes available.
But an Activity Record, which is merely showing what Fitbit already has for that chunk of time, you can put in your own name and notes section, but no calories, only time change.
Just curious. From your description - they are relying on Fitbit's calorie burn estimate based on HR then.
Great review, and sounds like a walking desk almost for that calorie burn and effort, so indeed good increased TDEE.
I also considered that the calories burned could match and Fitbit was just that good lol but alas, I also tried making note of my cals at a zero hour, then once cubii synced at the half hour the difference was 54 calories, though cubii was reporting 60 (which should have been on top of my BMR so it should have gone up by like 100)
That stinks about the challenges but I guess that does make sense. At least it makes my average and weekly steps go up which is also motivating compentition with friends.
I'm not able to edit the workout that I can see, so I guess it's replacing what Fitbit already has, yet like I said the amount difference for the half hour doesn't even match what cubii reports I burned for the half hour. Might be it's own unique thing? Since it's not a manually added workout nor an automatically detected one.0 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Could I ask how tall you are? I'm a 6'2" guy and my knees almost hit the desk when sitting. Can't imagine someone over 5'8" or so could really make this work.
Thanks.
I'm 5'2 and nowhere near about to hit my desk. I honestly think you wouldn't have a problem because you can always position it further from you so you don't have to have your knees bent at a 90 degree angle, and you'd still get good use of it. There is also hardly any up and down motion to your legs as the eliptical favors horizonal movement, so I'd say as long as you could fit you legs under your desk while your feet are on the pedals (probably about 5-6 inches from the floor) you'd be fine.0 -
leonadixon wrote: »I'm so glad you posted this update! I have the Cubii as well, but opted out of the more expensive Fitbit syncing one. I'm glad I did! I was worried about the accuracy and wondered if it would be worth the extra money. I have rarely used mine and the post has motivated me to get to using it again.
I am a 5'3" female and in absolutely NO danger of hitting my knees under the desk
Yesss do it!! Honestly I've only had it a few weeks but there are plenty of times where I just really don't feel like doing it, but then I realize it's right there, I'm sitting here anyway, I might at well. I tell myself to at least do it for 5 min, and by then I'm in the groove and do it mindlessly.0
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