Organic lifestyle??
laureneh01
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Hi y’all!
I am looking start to eat organic food & less meat. Does anyone have any tips on where to shop and finding discounts? (I am a college student- so also maintaining this with a busy schedule)
I have a Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s near me if that helps
Thanks!!!
I am looking start to eat organic food & less meat. Does anyone have any tips on where to shop and finding discounts? (I am a college student- so also maintaining this with a busy schedule)
I have a Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s near me if that helps
Thanks!!!
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Shop the ads and share bulk purchases with fellow students.
Whole chicken is always cheaper then the cut up bird. The leftover chicken carcass makes a great soup.
Save the peelings and ends you chop off the vegetable( because organic is expensive) collect them in a bag and store in the freezer. When it comes time to make the chicken soup you will have the vegetables ready to go.2 -
Depends on your reasons for eating organic. My personal preference is to eat as locally as possible and so I prioritize local farms (which in season can be less expensive if you have access, but won't be everywhere), and don't actually care about organic except that many of the local farms I like also are organic (as it's an overlapping niche market). So for local in general, some will be certified organic, some won't (some don't want to bother going through the certification, many of course simply are not organic). But for things like taste and supporting something other than huge agri-business, this is what I want. If it's about avoiding the non organically-certified pesticides, then you may not care about any other things, and then the cheapest will be looking for specials -- if you have amazon prime you may want to check out WF deals, and TJ's is often cheaper (no clue about their produce, since I rarely buy produce there). They also have weekly specials and coupons which you can find by looking at your location online.
Right now (if you are in the US), very little is actually in season, so your best bet is probably going to be frozen veg, which are often cheap anyway, and last a good white. There are different organic brands, again I'd look for specials.
For eating less meat, identify some staple meals that don't require meat and start working them in. I do a lot with eggs, beans/lentils, and tofu/tempeh (which are usually organic and non GMO if you care about that, at WF -- I don't really, but that's just where I tend to buy them). Lots of people are into seitan and make their own. Oats can be a nice easy staple breakfast, and greek yogurt will up the protein.
Eating less meat may well help your budget go down, depending on what you replace it with.1 -
Buy in bulk if you can, especially considering that you roughly pay 2-3x the price for no additional benefit.6
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laureneh01 wrote: »I am looking start to eat organic food & less meat. Does anyone have any tips on where to shop and finding discounts? (I am a college student- so also maintaining this with a busy schedule)
I have a Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s near me if that helps
I'll have what tips I can at the end here, but the first part, unless you have a fairly high budget, you're going to be out of luck (but you may have a high budget, which is why I'll put some things below).
It's pretty much this issue: organic food is going to cost more than conventionally grown food. I mean, it's backwards that this is how our country does it, because honestly, you'd think people who are using a buttload of chemicals should pay more money to prove it's safe, and instead, it's people who are NOT using a buttload of chemicals who have to pay money to prove they aren't using them. 0.o
But...still true. Organic food is more $. Convenience food, that you don't have to spend so much time cooking...is more $. Convenient organic food? Even more $$.
And convenient, or even just, organic food that you can get a discount on? Pretty darn rare, honestly.
But to find what you can, and cook as little time as possible...
1. Learn what is in season, and look for sales on that. I've seen some organic produce on sale for cheaper than the conventional produce sometimes, during their season. But you honestly have to just get a list of local stores and look at each one's sales, every week. Around my area, as an example, I've found the cheapest organic apples at Whole Foods one week, Natural Grocers the next, and then a local Fry's (Smith's some places) the next. You really can't stick with one store only, if you are looking for the cheapest prices, which makes it tricky as a college student with limited time, honestly.
2. Some stores will have small bags of produce that are about to go bad that they put out for cheaper costs. Unless it is some place that is mostly organic produce, however, it's rarely the organic produce. I see it a lot at some local grocers who cater to certain nationalities, like a local oriental market here, but it's rarely organic. Natural Grocers also does it around me, and is all organic, and some co-ops near here do it, too. I've never seen Whole Foods or Trader Joe's do it - seems to be a bit of a status thing. Can't seem like you can't afford to shop there, or that you might want a sale, after all. :-/
3. Farmer's markets can help. Interview the farmers on what substances they use on their produce for insect protection, killing weeds, and soil amendments - many times, farmers are using methods you would consider organic, but they can't call it organic because they aren't certified (the certification process is expensive). So you can get organic food, even if it's sold at a lower 'non-organic' price. Of course, sometimes this is still more expensive than the stores, so you have to compare prices to be sure.
3. Sometimes, farmers will have cheaper prices at the end of the market, to try and off load veggies they are not going to sell that day. Sometimes you can haggle, even if they haven't done that. But you have to accept whatever foods they have left and just learn how to use that.
4. If you cannot afford all the organic, you can at least look at produce that has the biggest pesticide load-ewg.org makes a list every year. This year, in descending order of amount of pesticides found, the produce with the most pesticides were: strawberries, spinach, nectarines, apples, grapes, peaches, cherries, pears, tomatoes, celery, potatoes and sweet bell peppers. So getting these organic would have more impact than getting, say, an organic avocado. Or just avoiding these if you can't afford organic - an organic sweet bell pepper around my area (which is a cheap area, too), was around $4.99 for 1 pepper. 0.0
5. If you are looking for less meat and more vegetarian options (ignoring the organic aspect of it), I HIGHLY recommend checking out any ethnic markets near you. Many beans and lentils (and grains) are substantially cheaper (dried, of course) at Mexican, Indian, or Asian grocers. And you can get more variety as well. The variety of veggies at Asian markets is much greater, and often cheaper. And spices - at Asian or Indian markets you can typically get spices for so much cheaper it's unreal (same with Mexican grocers, but different spices and less variety). I've found 1/2 lb bags of a spice at the local Indian market for cheaper than I could get a tiny 1 oz bottle at the generic grocers. TOTALLY worth checking it out, even if you have to drive a bit further, or take a bus, once a month or so.
6. COOKING - for getting things that don't take too long to cook, you honestly can't get processed organic food for this, not cheaply. You can look for things in a clearance shelf (some stores have this, some don't) near the back, typically. But otherwise, best way to cope with limited time is to change the way you cook. Crock pots or instant pots are your friend, here - you can cook lots of stews and soups and casseroles that way, with little time spend on your end.
7. Or take one day a week and making a lot of foods INTO frozen meals will help you during the week. Like, make some marinades and freeze them, make rice and freeze it, chop veggies for the week, then just thaw and use marinade with veggies you chopped, serve over the rice. Look up 'once a month meals' or 'once a week meals' on google and you'll get a lot of ideas. :-)
8. Bento boxes - these are great to start changing things up with, mostly because many recipes are basically rice, with a lot of veg, and there are lots of fun omelet or hard boiled egg recipes people use for them. And they are aimed at using up the last tiny bit of left overs you have, so it's a good way to be frugal with that.
9. Grow some herbs. organic spices are insanely expensive. organic fresh herbs are, too. Having a few pots of herbs at home is really darn cheap, and you can then just use as much as you can grow, and herbs are pretty forgiving of new gardeners, if you've never grown them before. If you end up having space for a few pots, you could even grow a little food of your own, too, that are on the big pesticide list, like strawberries, spinach, or tomatoes, you know? These do well in pots.
Don't know how much these helped, but I wish you luck. It's sadly harder than one would hope, trying to eat organic these days.13 -
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SassyPants13 wrote: »
There is just little evidence that organic foods provide any additional benefits than non organic foods. People believe organic is better because it sounds "better". And some automatically think natural is better, even though there are a lot of thinks that are natural that can kill us.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
If anything, i would and try to buy local just to support local business.9 -
There's great debate regarding organic really being organic. This debate has been going on for ages. I can tell you from personal experience that I try to grow organic. The problem I personally have is that my house backs up to a corn field. Even though I don't use pesticides or anything for my plants that I grow. The farmer behind me does. He sprays his field and has crop dusters come out. If the wind is blowing the right way I can smell it in my house. If I can smell it then my plants got hit with these chemicals too.
Now another aspect is the creek that runs behind my house. This creek irrigates my plants I'm sure or at least the ground water. So the runoff from my happy farmer behind me has surely run into this creek or into the soil leaching into the ground water. So again I may be trying to reduce chemicals but there is no possible way for me to actually eliminate them all together. For something to be truly organic would mean none of these chemicals.
I do buy organic at the store but not exclusively. If the organic looks rotten or bad I will buy regular. I try to buy organic for the dirty dozen at least. Try being the key word.3 -
SassyPants13 wrote: »
Organic is unfortunately pretty much a marketing term. Produce labeled Organic can still use pesticides, just different ones than standard produce. And you have to pay to be labeled Organic, so many smaller local farms don't get the label because they can't afford it. And there have been all kinds of controversies of stores misleadingly labeling foods so they can charge more for them. There was also a large study not all that long ago that showed no nutrient differences between standard and Organic labeled produce.
OP, if your budget is tight, IMHO looking for "Organic" foods is paying for a luxury you can't afford. If you are concerned about where your food comes from, try to buy locally in season, and check out farmers markets. Most research that I've seen suggests that a diet of richly varied standard veggies and fruits would be better than eating a limited selection of Organic stuff.
I find the prices at TJ's are pretty good, but their selection can be limited, and you have to be careful not to get lured into buying some of the specialty stuff that isn't nearly as budget friendly. I don't routinely shop WF, I find their marketing disingenuous and it just makes me not want to shop there.
Frozen veggies, dry beans and lentils, in-season produce, and bulk grains can really help the bottom line!8 -
I don’t eat this way, but I’ve seen “organic” labeled canned vegetables and beans that don’t seem to be too much more expensive than regular especially if you buy “store brand” and/or on sale. I don’t know about frozen but it’s probably similar. Best bet is to grow your own food, many vegetables and herbs can grow just fine in pots. Shop at the local farmers markets at the end of the day and barter with them to buy whatever produce they didn’t sell that day at a discounted price. Also another vote to buy dried legumes and/or rice in bulk, it can really go a long way.0
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SassyPants13 wrote: »
There is just little evidence that organic foods provide any additional benefits than non organic foods. People believe organic is better because it sounds "better". And some automatically think natural is better, even though there are a lot of thinks that are natural that can kill us.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
If anything, i would and try to buy local just to support local business.
This plus if you can eat it closer to when it is picked (and they can pick it riper) it is likely to have more of the nutrients. This is also why frozen can be not only cheaper out of season, but also more nutritious.
Not sure why people would think organic has more nutrients.4 -
SassyPants13 wrote: »
There is just little evidence that organic foods provide any additional benefits than non organic foods. People believe organic is better because it sounds "better". And some automatically think natural is better, even though there are a lot of thinks that are natural that can kill us.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
If anything, i would and try to buy local just to support local business.
This plus if you can eat it closer to when it is picked (and they can pick it riper) it is likely to have more of the nutrients. This is also why frozen can be not only cheaper out of season, but also more nutritious.
Not sure why people would think organic has more nutrients.
idk how much it is the nutrients but rather the lack of icky chemicals.5 -
SassyPants13 wrote: »
There is just little evidence that organic foods provide any additional benefits than non organic foods. People believe organic is better because it sounds "better". And some automatically think natural is better, even though there are a lot of thinks that are natural that can kill us.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
If anything, i would and try to buy local just to support local business.
This plus if you can eat it closer to when it is picked (and they can pick it riper) it is likely to have more of the nutrients. This is also why frozen can be not only cheaper out of season, but also more nutritious.
Not sure why people would think organic has more nutrients.
That last point is what always puzzled me about articles "debunking" organic on the basis of its nutritional equivalence to traditional produce -- why would anyone think that there would be a difference in nutrition? It always seemed like a straw man.
To the extent that I buy organic, I do so for the agricultural workers exposed to the pesticides and herbicides to a much greater degree than consumers are, and as my little gesture of resistance to monoculture, which I consider a stupid risk to global food security. Organic farmers are at least growing a different variety of crops from traditional farmers locked into varieties developed to be resistant to the non-organic herbicides they apply to their fields. I buy a mix of organic and traditional, influenced mostly by what looks and smells the best, since I'm fortunate not to be on a tight food budget these days. For anyone who is on a budget, buying organic out of a mistaken belief that it will make a difference to their own health is a waste of money.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »SassyPants13 wrote: »
There is just little evidence that organic foods provide any additional benefits than non organic foods. People believe organic is better because it sounds "better". And some automatically think natural is better, even though there are a lot of thinks that are natural that can kill us.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
If anything, i would and try to buy local just to support local business.
This plus if you can eat it closer to when it is picked (and they can pick it riper) it is likely to have more of the nutrients. This is also why frozen can be not only cheaper out of season, but also more nutritious.
Not sure why people would think organic has more nutrients.
That last point is what always puzzled me about articles "debunking" organic on the basis of its nutritional equivalence to traditional produce -- why would anyone think that there would be a difference in nutrition? It always seemed like a straw man.
To the extent that I buy organic, I do so for the agricultural workers exposed to the pesticides and herbicides to a much greater degree than consumers are, and as my little gesture of resistance to monoculture, which I consider a stupid risk to global food security. Organic farmers are at least growing a different variety of crops from traditional farmers locked into varieties developed to be resistant to the non-organic herbicides they apply to their fields. I buy a mix of organic and traditional, influenced mostly by what looks and smells the best, since I'm fortunate not to be on a tight food budget these days. For anyone who is on a budget, buying organic out of a mistaken belief that it will make a difference to their own health is a waste of money.
Right, when I buy organic it is because lack of pesticides rather than any expectation of more nutrients.
If I'm getting potatoes locally I don't worry about organic certification because my local farmers do not use the practices described in the link below. (The organophosphate pesticide Monitor has since been withdrawn from the market.) But when I am buying potatoes in the supermarket I do buy organic.
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/25/magazine/playing-god-in-the-garden.html2 -
laureneh01 wrote: »Hi y’all!
I am looking start to eat organic food & less meat. Does anyone have any tips on where to shop and finding discounts? (I am a college student- so also maintaining this with a busy schedule)
I have a Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s near me if that helps
Thanks!!!
In your situation I would:
1. For produce, focus on buying these organic https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/dirty-dozen.php (or local when in season). See also https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/clean-fifteen.php
2. Nuts are a better source of fat than protein, but still a staple for everyone I know who eats less meat. My TJ's has great prices on nuts.
3. To reduce meat, eat more legumes. Should be good prices in the bulk section of Whole Foods. Not sure about prices at TJ's. Hopefully you have access to a kitchen. Here are recipes featuring beans and legumes: https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipe/search/ ?f[0]=field_recipe_main_ingredient:789
I made an unnecessarily complicated Cuban Rice & Beans tonight with just a little sausage in an attempt to pacify my OH, who did complain that there wasn't enough meat. Here's a simpler and meatless version that looks good: https://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipe/cuban-black-beans-and-rice (although I would use more chili powder, if using - my recipe called for 4 teaspoons of cumin.)
It will probably make an immense amount, so you can freeze leftovers. I save plastic food containers in various sizes for freezing food. I use freezer tape to label them. (Looks like masking tape but sticks in the freezer. It's usually near the ziploc bags.)
You could spend a few hours one day cooking up a storm so you have a variety of meals for most of the week.0 -
many college areas have food coops at reasonable prices even if you don't work it. Also weekly farmers markets = go 15 minutes before closing. most don't want to haul it home, and will sell cheaply1
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »SassyPants13 wrote: »
There is just little evidence that organic foods provide any additional benefits than non organic foods. People believe organic is better because it sounds "better". And some automatically think natural is better, even though there are a lot of thinks that are natural that can kill us.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
If anything, i would and try to buy local just to support local business.
This plus if you can eat it closer to when it is picked (and they can pick it riper) it is likely to have more of the nutrients. This is also why frozen can be not only cheaper out of season, but also more nutritious.
Not sure why people would think organic has more nutrients.
That last point is what always puzzled me about articles "debunking" organic on the basis of its nutritional equivalence to traditional produce -- why would anyone think that there would be a difference in nutrition? It always seemed like a straw man.
To the extent that I buy organic, I do so for the agricultural workers exposed to the pesticides and herbicides to a much greater degree than consumers are, and as my little gesture of resistance to monoculture, which I consider a stupid risk to global food security. Organic farmers are at least growing a different variety of crops from traditional farmers locked into varieties developed to be resistant to the non-organic herbicides they apply to their fields. I buy a mix of organic and traditional, influenced mostly by what looks and smells the best, since I'm fortunate not to be on a tight food budget these days. For anyone who is on a budget, buying organic out of a mistaken belief that it will make a difference to their own health is a waste of money.
I buy local and at farms that use interesting varietals for a similar reason. I don't actually care about organic vs not (I'd much rather buy at a farm I'm familiar with than some BigOrganic product), but I do care about supporting the farmers and the market and what they are trying to do, and I find often there's a taste difference. To some extent you can get deals this way in season, but very often you pay more to support an alternative supply (which appeals to a market where people will pay more), and I'm okay with that but also believe it's a luxury and no one should be told they need to do it to be healthy.
At this time of year when nothing is in season and produce at farmer's markets is very limited (even if they are open -- a big one in my city is open, but many places they would not be), I buy fruits and veg at the store and pretty much a combination of conventional and organic depending in part on what it is, how it looks, and price.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »SassyPants13 wrote: »
There is just little evidence that organic foods provide any additional benefits than non organic foods. People believe organic is better because it sounds "better". And some automatically think natural is better, even though there are a lot of thinks that are natural that can kill us.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/09/little-evidence-of-health-benefits-from-organic-foods-study-finds.html
If anything, i would and try to buy local just to support local business.
This plus if you can eat it closer to when it is picked (and they can pick it riper) it is likely to have more of the nutrients. This is also why frozen can be not only cheaper out of season, but also more nutritious.
Not sure why people would think organic has more nutrients.
That last point is what always puzzled me about articles "debunking" organic on the basis of its nutritional equivalence to traditional produce -- why would anyone think that there would be a difference in nutrition? It always seemed like a straw man.
To the extent that I buy organic, I do so for the agricultural workers exposed to the pesticides and herbicides to a much greater degree than consumers are, and as my little gesture of resistance to monoculture, which I consider a stupid risk to global food security. Organic farmers are at least growing a different variety of crops from traditional farmers locked into varieties developed to be resistant to the non-organic herbicides they apply to their fields. I buy a mix of organic and traditional, influenced mostly by what looks and smells the best, since I'm fortunate not to be on a tight food budget these days. For anyone who is on a budget, buying organic out of a mistaken belief that it will make a difference to their own health is a waste of money.
The reason is that some proponents of organic food actually do make the claim that organic fruits and vegetables have greater nutritional value than non-organic ones. You'll hear claims that having to fight off pests/weeds adds to the nutrients or that non-organic soil is inferior and creates food with less nutritional value.3 -
I'd prioritize familiarizing yourself with the Environmental Working Group's dirty dozen plus and clean 15 when choosing which organics you can afford.
If you shop at local farmers markets, shop at the end of the market. Often at closing time, they mark the produce way down. Get to know the farmers so you know which food is organic even if it isn't certified organic. The certification is very expensive and some organic farmers can't afford it.
You may want to investigate what CSA shares are available in your area and if they would meet your needs.0
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