How to burn fat efficiently

Myth. If you workout too intense you'll end up catabolizing lean muscle tissue.

You are wrong.

I exercise on an empty stomach 5 times a week, often with intensity levels to cause burst blood vessels and nose bleeds.

I get stronger every week. Catabolism doesn't work like that. That is bro science taken from the likes of bodybuilding.com or flex.

x2 - I do the same thing. The last time I told someone it was a myth, they gathered a posse and began to ridicule me.

lol. I await the backlash.

You look very lean to me. I know how lean I am. I am happy to continue with what i know :-)

Good luck mate.

Oh dear. I have read many of your posts on here recently. I can see you have attempted to position yourself as some sort of training and diet guru. I have to say I disagree with pretty much most of what you have written.

You have posted a completely irrelevant study and then garnished it with your opinion.

I maintain, you are wrong.

You can disagree. What I posted aren't studies, they are the backbone of how the body utilizes energy from protein, carbs and fats.
Philosophies differ. We may agree on some things and won't on others. It's good for members to hear different philosophies and let them see evidence and make up their own minds as to which they want to believe.

This is called Bonk training and it's very controversial and NOT for your average joe on here trying to lose weight and hell I think it's stupid for anyone to do something like this but hey it's your body so be my guest.

http://www.superskinnyme.com/Weight Loss/Exercise/Cardiovascular Exercise/Bonk_Training.html

This is called Bonk training and it's very controversial and NOT for your average joe on here trying to lose weight and hell I think it's stupid for anyone to do something like this but hey it's your body so be my guest.

http://www.superskinnyme.com/Weight Loss/Exercise/Cardiovascular Exercise/Bonk_Training.html

Not really new. Competitive bodybuilders have been doing this for years with good results.

I didn't say it was new, i said it was controversial and i'm well aware that athletes use this kind of training. I'm just saying it's not very smart. I don't jump on the band wagon of something just because athletes do it! lord knows they're just as dumb as the rest of us.

I try to do this every morning, unfortunately the gym doesn't open until 9:30. I don't usually get to eat before 1pm. Drinking the whey is something that I should start.

If it's good enough for the athletes, I'm game

The fatal flaw in most of these theories is that they assume that what happens during an exercise workout is somehow a discrete event, unaffected by anything else that happens during the day.

Have to agree somewhat. Hormones, stress, and rest all will affect it.

The most powerful and efficient way to "burn fat" is to maintain a calorie deficit. The effect of that deficit stimulates changes to a far greater magnitude than all of this tinkering around.

But in a sedentary person, this would include burning of lean muscle tissue.

Two points:
I didn't elaborate because I have written about it a million times before, but the fuel substrate used for a workout has little or no effect on long-term body fat loss. So whether or not exercising in a "fasted" state leads to an RQ shift during exercise (i.e. increased "fat burning") means nothing--at the end of 24 hours TOTAL fat oxidation is the same when compared to someone who "burned less fat" during their workout. I have not seen the same level of study done for amino acids, but I suspect the same is also true for that as well. The idea that "cardio burns muscle" because, at some point during an extended cardio workout an increased percentage of energy will be derived from amino acids, seems incongruous with all other physiological systems. I have never seen the origin of this statement, but it sounds like something that is being inappropriately generalized.

Second: The point was not that diet alone is the optimal way to achieve permanent fat loss. The point was that a negative energy balance is by far the single most powerful stimulant to increased fat oxidation (the original topic of the thread). For the average person, things such as meal timing, exercise order, exercise time of day, supplements, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc are just extraneous noise and trivia keeping them from focusing on the most important thing: maintaining a consistent calorie deficit. There is no question that permanent fat loss (and health) is greatly enhanced by cardiovascular and resistance exercises.