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One in five people are eating themselves to an early death: Global study
zeejane03
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/04/03/unhealthy-diet-killing-millions-around-world-lancet-study/3339934002/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30041-8/fulltext
The thing that stood out to me was the part about whole grains. I've been working on this myself this year as I've started following a more DASH style way of eating, but I still have room for improvement, (ate white rice for lunch today instead of a brown/wild rice, even though I have them both in my house).
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30041-8/fulltext
The thing that stood out to me was the part about whole grains. I've been working on this myself this year as I've started following a more DASH style way of eating, but I still have room for improvement, (ate white rice for lunch today instead of a brown/wild rice, even though I have them both in my house).
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Different article on the same study here:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/04/03/709507504/bad-diets-are-responsible-for-more-deaths-than-smoking-global-study-finds
I find it interesting that the USA Today article lists milk as one of the foods people aren't getting enough of but not fruits and veggies. Milk as a drink is a rarity for me, usually accompanied by a cookie or brownie
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"Researchers say the leading dietary risk factor for death and disease in American is a low intake of whole grains, below 125 grams a day."
I have a hard time believing that sentence.10 -
^ Clickbait.0
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Another more detailed article on it: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-04/tl-tlg040219.php1
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"Researchers say the leading dietary risk factor for death and disease in American is a low intake of whole grains, below 125 grams a day."
I have a hard time believing that sentence.
I do too, or at least I suspect it's more a lack of something that can be supplied by other foods or the particular foods that get substituted for the whole grains (or which people who tend to eat whole grains eat less of).
I am going to look more at their methodology.3 -
"Researchers say the leading dietary risk factor for death and disease in American is a low intake of whole grains, below 125 grams a day."
I have a hard time believing that sentence.
I do too, or at least I suspect it's more a lack of something that can be supplied by other foods or the particular foods that get substituted for the whole grains (or which people who tend to eat whole grains eat less of).
I am going to look more at their methodology.
Please report back! I was trying to read through the Lancet report but I was confusing myself, numbers and maths are not my strong point 2 -
The findings summary in the Lancet study: Health effects of dietary risks in 195 countries, 1990–2017: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017
"In 2017, 11 million (95% uncertainty interval [UI] 10–12) deaths and 255 million (234–274) DALYs were attributable to dietary risk factors. High intake of sodium (3 million [1–5] deaths and 70 million [34–118] DALYs), low intake of whole grains (3 million [2–4] deaths and 82 million [59–109] DALYs), and low intake of fruits (2 million [1–4] deaths and 65 million [41–92] DALYs) were the leading dietary risk factors for deaths and DALYs globally and in many countries. Dietary data were from mixed sources and were not available for all countries, increasing the statistical uncertainty of our estimates."2 -
I thought the latest findings were that salt is only a problem for those who are hypertensive.5
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I thought the latest findings were that salt is only a problem for those who are hypertensive.
This is my experience and understanding. I know that I'm an n-1, but I liberally salt everything and have low blood pressure. Not a problem unless I stand up to quickly from a resting position. My dr usually checks it twice during my visit, but isn't overly concerned because it is always low.
Edit: I saw this in the news and immediately came over here to watch it get dissected.3 -
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Different article on the same study here:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/04/03/709507504/bad-diets-are-responsible-for-more-deaths-than-smoking-global-study-finds
I find it interesting that the USA Today article lists milk as one of the foods people aren't getting enough of but not fruits and veggies. Milk as a drink is a rarity for me, usually accompanied by a cookie or brownie
I saw the NPR article in my Apple News today and was thinking about starting a thread. Yes, it's a click baity title. Got me to click
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I thought the latest findings were that salt is only a problem for those who are hypertensive.
This is my experience and understanding. I know that I'm an n-1, but I liberally salt everything and have low blood pressure. Not a problem unless I stand up to quickly from a resting position. My dr usually checks it twice during my visit, but isn't overly concerned because it is always low.
Edit: I saw this in the news and immediately came over here to watch it get dissected.
Yep, I had too low blood pressure until I started salting liberally. Bring on the salt!1 -
I thought the latest findings were that salt is only a problem for those who are hypertensive.
This is my experience and understanding. I know that I'm an n-1, but I liberally salt everything and have low blood pressure. Not a problem unless I stand up to quickly from a resting position. My dr usually checks it twice during my visit, but isn't overly concerned because it is always low.
Edit: I saw this in the news and immediately came over here to watch it get dissected.
I guess the question needs to be asked as to whether sodium can be doing damage to your organs without actually raising blood pressure.2 -
Dig deeper.
Bad diets, addiction, drug use, etc. all symptomatic of a deeper root cause.
I suspect this is lack of purpose. Even this may not be the root cause.6 -
The findings summary in the Lancet study: Health effects of dietary risks in 195 countries, 1990–2017: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017
"In 2017, 11 million (95% uncertainty interval [UI] 10–12) deaths and 255 million (234–274) DALYs were attributable to dietary risk factors. High intake of sodium (3 million [1–5] deaths and 70 million [34–118] DALYs), low intake of whole grains (3 million [2–4] deaths and 82 million [59–109] DALYs), and low intake of fruits (2 million [1–4] deaths and 65 million [41–92] DALYs) were the leading dietary risk factors for deaths and DALYs globally and in many countries. Dietary data were from mixed sources and were not available for all countries, increasing the statistical uncertainty of our estimates."
Low intake of fruits? I mean, I'm a big proponent of fruits and vegetables . . . but my impression was always that fruit is completely optional for humans. If we enjoy it, we can eat it. But if you don't enjoy it, there's no real reason to have it instead of vegetables that you prefer. I will go through periods where I eat fruit daily and then maybe not eat it for several weeks.
There's really nothing in fruit that can't be found in other sources (unless I'm failing to think of something).1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »The findings summary in the Lancet study: Health effects of dietary risks in 195 countries, 1990–2017: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017
"In 2017, 11 million (95% uncertainty interval [UI] 10–12) deaths and 255 million (234–274) DALYs were attributable to dietary risk factors. High intake of sodium (3 million [1–5] deaths and 70 million [34–118] DALYs), low intake of whole grains (3 million [2–4] deaths and 82 million [59–109] DALYs), and low intake of fruits (2 million [1–4] deaths and 65 million [41–92] DALYs) were the leading dietary risk factors for deaths and DALYs globally and in many countries. Dietary data were from mixed sources and were not available for all countries, increasing the statistical uncertainty of our estimates."
Low intake of fruits? I mean, I'm a big proponent of fruits and vegetables . . . but my impression was always that fruit is completely optional for humans. If we enjoy it, we can eat it. But if you don't enjoy it, there's no real reason to have it instead of vegetables that you prefer. I will go through periods where I eat fruit daily and then maybe not eat it for several weeks.
There's really nothing in fruit that can't be found in other sources (unless I'm failing to think of something).
It has been a long time since I was really proficient at reading these kinds of epidemiological studies, but I think they had a lot of problems with obtaining solid data and then it was very generally applied since this study looks at the entire globe. I feel like you would really have to drill down through their data and results to see where the possible causations are and what the typical diet looks like in those regions. Like you, my understanding is that fruit can provide valuable nutrients but isn't actually a necessary component of a human diet for survival. I'm not an expert in this field and can't make any judgement about the methods or validity of the study, but it just seems overly broad with too many uncertainties for any of us to really draw conclusions from. It does seem to me though that the study should really be inferring correlation even though the conclusions in the journal article are written as causation.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »The findings summary in the Lancet study: Health effects of dietary risks in 195 countries, 1990–2017: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017
"In 2017, 11 million (95% uncertainty interval [UI] 10–12) deaths and 255 million (234–274) DALYs were attributable to dietary risk factors. High intake of sodium (3 million [1–5] deaths and 70 million [34–118] DALYs), low intake of whole grains (3 million [2–4] deaths and 82 million [59–109] DALYs), and low intake of fruits (2 million [1–4] deaths and 65 million [41–92] DALYs) were the leading dietary risk factors for deaths and DALYs globally and in many countries. Dietary data were from mixed sources and were not available for all countries, increasing the statistical uncertainty of our estimates."
Low intake of fruits? I mean, I'm a big proponent of fruits and vegetables . . . but my impression was always that fruit is completely optional for humans. If we enjoy it, we can eat it. But if you don't enjoy it, there's no real reason to have it instead of vegetables that you prefer. I will go through periods where I eat fruit daily and then maybe not eat it for several weeks.
There's really nothing in fruit that can't be found in other sources (unless I'm failing to think of something).
I suspect not eating much fruit correlates on average with not eating many of the veg that supply the same nutrients or with getting higher amounts of other less nutritious foods in the diet, especially in areas where fruit is traditionally a larger part of the diet.
I think these studies are really hard to draw conclusions from, which was my issue with the whole grains bit too.3 -
Meh. There's worse ways to die.2
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Published next to an article about how over populated the planet is.
Anything in excess can cross the line to being bad for you.
Drink more water than your body can process and you drown.
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