Time restricted eating health benefits
pierinifitness
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhGDicfkmpI28
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Might fit better in the debate section.9
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We have been over all of these far reaching claims many times. I will pass on this one. I did appreciate that the guy said that 90 percent of people did TRE would lose weight without calorie counting and then moments later had a study that only 57 percent did... lol.21
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The guy is a personal trainer and gym owner and has been at it for over 25 years, probably longer than most people here have been trying to lose weight so what he shares draws from his personal experience helping others and living a lifestyle of fitness, health and wellness.
You'll note how he said how most people eat less practicing IF without counting calories and that has been my experience too. Many here repeatedly say how they've gained weight while doing IF. While it's certainly possible, one really has to work at it. I recently stumbled across a post sharing where people were almost bragging at how many calories they ate on a cheat day. It was staggering.
I believe I used the glutton word to describe how it's possible and doing so sure ignited a bunch of bonfires here and I'm sure most of it came from cheat day practitioners.
Sure, this might better be in the debate section and many here have repeatedly dismissed the alleged benefits but there are others who have experienced benefits from it so to each his and her own.
It's a decent video in my opinion and that's why I shared it. Again, the man isn't an armchair fitness expert, he breathes and lives it and earns his keep from it so he's a tad above most of us in knowledge and wisdom.36 -
He may not be an armchair fitness expert but he is an armchair fasting expert or more to the point a search engine expert. I know a Greek American chef and restauranteur that has 40 years of experience in food but I wouldn't suggest that anyone go to him for help planning a diabetic diet. Based on one of your other posts you have a loose definition of what it takes to be qualified. This guy may be qualified to you but not to me. To me he is just like others trying to milk a trend.
Of the 11,251 fasting related threads 6 percent of them have turned into debates that have thoroughly refuted most of his claims. While some may believe they receive benefits from fasting the results cannot be repeated in scientific studies yet so we are left to assume that either weight loss or some other factor was involved. If fasting turns out to have additional benefits I will be glad since I have done it for an extremely long time. Perhaps I will live forever.14 -
pierinifitness wrote: »The guy is a personal trainer and gym owner and has been at it for over 25 years, probably longer than most people here have been trying to lose weight so what he shares draws from his personal experience helping others and living a lifestyle of fitness, health and wellness.
You'll note how he said how most people eat less practicing IF without counting calories and that has been my experience too. Many here repeatedly say how they've gained weight while doing IF. While it's certainly possible, one really has to work at it. I recently stumbled across a post sharing where people were almost bragging at how many calories they ate on a cheat day. It was staggering.
I believe I used the glutton word to describe how it's possible and doing so sure ignited a bunch of bonfires here and I'm sure most of it came from cheat day practitioners.
Sure, this might better be in the debate section and many here have repeatedly dismissed the alleged benefits but there are others who have experienced benefits from it so to each his and her own.
It's a decent video in my opinion and that's why I shared it. Again, the man isn't an armchair fitness expert, he breathes and lives it and earns his keep from it so he's a tad above most of us in knowledge and wisdom.
I've been practicing IF for 7 years now and yes, this should be in the debate section since it's a pretty heated topic right now. The debate area will give a bit more freedom to post opinions/thoughts since the rules are a bit more relaxed in that section.10 -
What are Mike Cola’s credentials? I couldn’t find them. Is he a registered dietitian? Or a medical doctor? Or just a personal trainer? I watched the whole video, and my feeling he is hopping on IF train, like so many.
The part that gets me twitchy is that he states that you don’t need to count calories, you may be able to eat more calories and not gain weight. UGH15 -
pierinifitness wrote: »I believe I used the glutton word to describe how it's possible and doing so sure ignited a bunch of bonfires here and I'm sure most of it came from cheat day practitioners.
I don't recall the comment being on a cheat meal thread (although I think it was multiple threads so maybe you are right as to one of them, but I think the one you mean was about banking cals). I recall the issue being you misunderstanding what was said and thinking the people who said they lost, gained, and maintained doing IF, it did not prevent any of those on its own, were saying IF made them fat or some such. Most of the people who were saying it were at goal.
In any case, the problem with the glutton comment then and the post I quoted from now is the suggestion that if you can manage to gain weight doing IF you must be a "glutton," implying strongly that that made it different (and you inherently worse) than people who gained in other ways. Sigh. You appear to have such a desire to claim that IF always works, is always a better approach, that when people say it was not a magic bullet for them -- even people who enjoy eating that way and did so when losing -- you have a need to say there is something wrong with them that is not wrong with those who believe they could never gain on IF. (There's also a selection bias, as if someone gets motivated to eat healthfully and lose weight and exercise and uses IF, they are not really eating the same way someone not trying to lose or be super healthy is. So is it the IF that makes it easy to comply or the preexisting goals and motivation? Hard to say. It's like adding exercise when you are already on point with diet and keeping things the same with diet easily -- of course you lose. But if you just added exercise and didn't think about diet you'd probably compensate by eating more without thinking about it.)
In any case, I don't know what cheat days have to do with it. When I was losing (I've been in maintenance mostly since 2015), I didn't use the term "cheat meal" or "cheat day," but I did bank calories so I could eat at maintenance on one day a week at first. I used that so I could fit in a restaurant meal -- ironically, one that was likely fewer cals than you try to eat in each of your OMAD feasts when you do that. And I lost 2 lbs a week most weeks during the period I was doing that.
And am I someone who COULD gain doing some forms of IF? Sure thing, although I could also lose and maintain doing it and would do IF if I needed help with hunger or snacking issues and thought it could help. In my mind, the real benefit is making compliance easier, and I find that not snacking, eating only 2 or 3 meals (doesn't really matter, but I eat 3 most days) already has that effect for me, and it's easier for me to meet my nutrition goals when eating 3 or sometimes 2 meals, and simply could not eat a healthful diet and sufficient cals with just one meal (based on what I believe a healthful diet involves). Some people have different ideas of a healthful diet, and some like extreme volume more than I do, and either is great, but it doesn't make your approach superior to others or explain the need to cast shade on others.
I would like this to be a constructive conversation, so will ask that you think about how you are coming across with comments like the one I quoted.21 -
pierinifitness wrote: »The guy is a personal trainer and gym owner and has been at it for over 25 years, probably longer than most people here have been trying to lose weight so what he shares draws from his personal experience helping others and living a lifestyle of fitness, health and wellness.
You'll note how he said how most people eat less practicing IF without counting calories and that has been my experience too. Many here repeatedly say how they've gained weight while doing IF. While it's certainly possible, one really has to work at it. I recently stumbled across a post sharing where people were almost bragging at how many calories they ate on a cheat day. It was staggering.
I believe I used the glutton word to describe how it's possible and doing so sure ignited a bunch of bonfires here and I'm sure most of it came from cheat day practitioners.
Sure, this might better be in the debate section and many here have repeatedly dismissed the alleged benefits but there are others who have experienced benefits from it so to each his and her own.
It's a decent video in my opinion and that's why I shared it. Again, the man isn't an armchair fitness expert, he breathes and lives it and earns his keep from it so he's a tad above most of us in knowledge and wisdom.
To the bolded:
As one of those 'gluttons' you've alluded to who has repeated stated here that I've gained, loss and maintained weight while intermittent fasting, I guess I'll step up to defend my fellow undisciplined slobs. I can unequivocally state that gaining weight while doing IF really isn't something someone has to 'work at' to achieve. Your inference that this is the case is both insulting and inaccurate.
First of all, the amount of calories the average woman can consume in a day and still maintain her weight is a lot less than for the average man.
Secondly, regardless of gender, eating within a shorter time period each day does NOT mean that you don't also have to watch and/or restrict your caloric intake to manage your weight. The repeated inference that intermittent fasting somehow has magical properties that defy the laws of thermodynamics is absolute hooey.
As I've said here many times, I've been - by definition at least - eating in an intermittent fasting pattern for literally decades. I simply don't eat breakfast because I've never been hungry first thing in the morning. Forcing myself to eat a meal I didn't want always seemed counterintuitive to me, even during the whole "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day" decade. I've been skipping breakfast long before intermittent fasting had a name, a boatload of fervent (and largely misguided) 'practitioners' or a multitude of bogus special benefits attached to it.
The inherent advantage to me skipping breakfast all these decades is that by not eating until lunchtime, I naturally have a shorter amount of time left in my waking day in which to do so. I haven't 'blown' a goodly amount of my daily calories by 9 a.m.
But that's where the advantage begins and ends.
It is entirely possible to eat more calories than one needs to maintain their weight, even in a reduced time period. And it doesn't even remotely entail strapping on the ol' feed bag and repeatedly pigging out at the local all-you-can-eat buffet, or gluttonously devouring a large double-cheese pizza and a litre of soda as you seem to like to infer.
All it takes is a small, sustained caloric surplus - a few hundred calories per day - to, over time, gain weight while still eating in a reduced time period.
Bottom line?
Regardless of whether anyone's goal is to lose, maintain or gain weight, the only thing that matters is the total amount of calories consumed daily over an extended period of time, and not about when those calories are consumed, because that literally makes no difference whatsoever.22 -
That almost hits red herring status with me too. If someone is eating at a 750 calorie a day deficit, then sure, they can eat more and not gain weight. But the implication in the message is that you don't have to count calories and you don's have to be concerned about going over on calories. yet we don't know because they aren't being counted.L1zardQueen wrote: »What are Mike Cola’s credentials? I couldn’t find them. Is he a registered dietitian? Or a medical doctor? Or just a personal trainer? I watched the whole video, and my feeling he is hopping on IF train, like so many.
The part that gets me twitchy is that he states that you don’t need to count calories, you may be able to eat more calories and not gain weight. UGH
He can say "Hey, she added a cheeseburger a day to her intake and is still losing!" Well yeah, but that cheeseburger may only bring her up to 1800 a day and she may maintain at 1900.
It's disingenuous to make those claims without the hard numbers to back them up.
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You may very well lose weight with IF, but the fact is, true no matter how you lose weight, you are consuming less calories than your body is burning for weight loss. That’s fact.12
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To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?14
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pierinifitness wrote: »The guy is a personal trainer and gym owner and has been at it for over 25 years, probably longer than most people here have been trying to lose weight so what he shares draws from his personal experience helping others and living a lifestyle of fitness, health and wellness.
You'll note how he said how most people eat less practicing IF without counting calories and that has been my experience too. Many here repeatedly say how they've gained weight while doing IF. While it's certainly possible, one really has to work at it. I recently stumbled across a post sharing where people were almost bragging at how many calories they ate on a cheat day. It was staggering.
I believe I used the glutton word to describe how it's possible and doing so sure ignited a bunch of bonfires here and I'm sure most of it came from cheat day practitioners.
Sure, this might better be in the debate section and many here have repeatedly dismissed the alleged benefits but there are others who have experienced benefits from it so to each his and her own.
It's a decent video in my opinion and that's why I shared it. Again, the man isn't an armchair fitness expert, he breathes and lives it and earns his keep from it so he's a tad above most of us in knowledge and wisdom.
Usually when someone's credentials are puffed up like this, it's because their argument doesn't have much weight backing it.
"Gym owner" is not a qualification to know any more about diet and IF than accountant, computer programmer, or retail clerk is. In fact I'd venture that many of the latter here are more well versed in the science and research of it than the former.
I really don't understand why people get so touchy about their WOEs. If you like your way of eating, you can keep your way of eating. Nobody is trying to take it from you. There is no need to try to prove it is the best WOE with scientifically specious arguments.22 -
pierinifitness wrote: »To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?
That's not going to generate the healthy discussion you mentioned in your first post man...
What I truly don't understand is that you have people responding who have lived IF for years, sometimes decades..40 years in @snickerscharlie 's case if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't their points given the same credence as the gent in the video?
We can't state "to each their own" without giving due hearing to those who's 'own' differs from ours.
There's some interesting stuff going on regarding IF. It fits my eating patterns on quite a few days. I understand it, and I support it for those who choose to do it, but also recognize that for each point I may agree with, I need to be willing to hear the points that disagree with mine as well.22 -
pierinifitness wrote: »To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?
That's not going to generate the healthy discussion you mentioned in your first post man...
What I truly don't understand is that you have people responding who have lived IF for years, sometimes decades..40 years in @snickerscharlie 's case if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't their points given the same credence as the gent in the video?
We can't state "to each their own" without giving due hearing to those who's 'own' differs from ours.
There's some interesting stuff going on regarding IF. It fits my eating patterns on quite a few days. I understand it, and I support it for those who choose to do it, but also recognize that for each point I may agree with, I need to be willing to hear the points that disagree with mine as well.
Your memory serves you well. Perhaps that's another undiscovered miracle advantage to IF?
I stopped eating breakfast in my early 20's. I'm 65 this year.12 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?
That's not going to generate the healthy discussion you mentioned in your first post man...
What I truly don't understand is that you have people responding who have lived IF for years, sometimes decades..40 years in @snickerscharlie 's case if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't their points given the same credence as the gent in the video?
We can't state "to each their own" without giving due hearing to those who's 'own' differs from ours.
There's some interesting stuff going on regarding IF. It fits my eating patterns on quite a few days. I understand it, and I support it for those who choose to do it, but also recognize that for each point I may agree with, I need to be willing to hear the points that disagree with mine as well.
Your memory serves you well. Perhaps that's another undiscovered miracle advantage to IF?
I stopped eating breakfast in my early 20's. I'm 65 this year. Just another reason why I love ya 
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This should generate some "healthy" discussion.
If pointing out others' Gluttony is a thing now, so might be looking at Pride.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?
That's not going to generate the healthy discussion you mentioned in your first post man...
What I truly don't understand is that you have people responding who have lived IF for years, sometimes decades..40 years in @snickerscharlie 's case if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't their points given the same credence as the gent in the video?
We can't state "to each their own" without giving due hearing to those who's 'own' differs from ours.
There's some interesting stuff going on regarding IF. It fits my eating patterns on quite a few days. I understand it, and I support it for those who choose to do it, but also recognize that for each point I may agree with, I need to be willing to hear the points that disagree with mine as well.
Your memory serves you well. Perhaps that's another undiscovered miracle advantage to IF?
I stopped eating breakfast in my early 20's. I'm 65 this year. Just another reason why I love ya
I'm inordinately fond of you, too.
Now get off my lawn. 7 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?
That's not going to generate the healthy discussion you mentioned in your first post man...
What I truly don't understand is that you have people responding who have lived IF for years, sometimes decades..40 years in @snickerscharlie 's case if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't their points given the same credence as the gent in the video?
We can't state "to each their own" without giving due hearing to those who's 'own' differs from ours.
There's some interesting stuff going on regarding IF. It fits my eating patterns on quite a few days. I understand it, and I support it for those who choose to do it, but also recognize that for each point I may agree with, I need to be willing to hear the points that disagree with mine as well.
Your memory serves you well. Perhaps that's another undiscovered miracle advantage to IF?
I stopped eating breakfast in my early 20's. I'm 65 this year. Just another reason why I love ya
I'm inordinately fond of you, too.
Now get off my lawn.
Ok ok! Back on the curb now
@pierinifitness - Perhaps you could request a mod move this to debate? I honestly don't think anyone is attacking your preferred WoE, or what worked for you. I've seen numerous posters state something along the lines of not yet having enough research to fully know all the effects of IF long term/short term or whatever.
I've personally been into fitness and eating properly off and on for about 40 years. I'm not in the shape I used to be for a variety of factors, and would have been well within my rights to say that what I did worked for me. What I did not know was "Why" what I did worked for me, or why some other things didn't. I've been corrected a fair number of times here and that spurred me to begin to learn how to research what I needed to in order to begin lining up facts. One thing I've always promised myself is to never let myself get too old or too stubborn to learn.
So...there is a component of truth to "to each their own" but there are also a wide range of factors that we all have in common to varying degrees.
A topic like this really can spur some rich discussion and opportunities to learn if everyone participates with an open mind.
Just my 2 cents...7 -
Dear me. This Time Restricted Eating topic. Again...
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snickerscharlie wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?
That's not going to generate the healthy discussion you mentioned in your first post man...
What I truly don't understand is that you have people responding who have lived IF for years, sometimes decades..40 years in @snickerscharlie 's case if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't their points given the same credence as the gent in the video?
We can't state "to each their own" without giving due hearing to those who's 'own' differs from ours.
There's some interesting stuff going on regarding IF. It fits my eating patterns on quite a few days. I understand it, and I support it for those who choose to do it, but also recognize that for each point I may agree with, I need to be willing to hear the points that disagree with mine as well.
Your memory serves you well. Perhaps that's another undiscovered miracle advantage to IF?
I stopped eating breakfast in my early 20's. I'm 65 this year. Just another reason why I love ya
I'm inordinately fond of you, too.
Now get off my lawn.
Ok ok! Back on the curb now
@pierinifitness - Perhaps you could request a mod move this to debate? I honestly don't think anyone is attacking your preferred WoE, or what worked for you. I've seen numerous posters state something along the lines of not yet having enough research to fully know all the effects of IF long term/short term or whatever.
I've personally been into fitness and eating properly off and on for about 40 years. I'm not in the shape I used to be for a variety of factors, and would have been well within my rights to say that what I did worked for me. What I did not know was "Why" what I did worked for me, or why some other things didn't. I've been corrected a fair number of times here and that spurred me to begin to learn how to research what I needed to in order to begin lining up facts. One thing I've always promised myself is to never let myself get too old or too stubborn to learn.
So...there is a component of truth to "to each their own" but there are also a wide range of factors that we all have in common to varying degrees.
A topic like this really can spur some rich discussion and opportunities to learn if everyone participates with an open mind.
Just my 2 cents...
Anyone can request a mod move a thread by going to the OP and clicking Flag > Report > Other and a comment like "Please consider moving this contentious topic to Debate."6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »To all who commented, thanks. I stand by what I shared and you stand by yours. How wonderful it is that we can freely express. Nuff said, suggest we move on. What’s the weather supposed to be today?
That's not going to generate the healthy discussion you mentioned in your first post man...
What I truly don't understand is that you have people responding who have lived IF for years, sometimes decades..40 years in @snickerscharlie 's case if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't their points given the same credence as the gent in the video?
We can't state "to each their own" without giving due hearing to those who's 'own' differs from ours.
There's some interesting stuff going on regarding IF. It fits my eating patterns on quite a few days. I understand it, and I support it for those who choose to do it, but also recognize that for each point I may agree with, I need to be willing to hear the points that disagree with mine as well.
Your memory serves you well. Perhaps that's another undiscovered miracle advantage to IF?
I stopped eating breakfast in my early 20's. I'm 65 this year. Just another reason why I love ya
I'm inordinately fond of you, too.
Now get off my lawn.
Ok ok! Back on the curb now
@pierinifitness - Perhaps you could request a mod move this to debate? I honestly don't think anyone is attacking your preferred WoE, or what worked for you. I've seen numerous posters state something along the lines of not yet having enough research to fully know all the effects of IF long term/short term or whatever.
I've personally been into fitness and eating properly off and on for about 40 years. I'm not in the shape I used to be for a variety of factors, and would have been well within my rights to say that what I did worked for me. What I did not know was "Why" what I did worked for me, or why some other things didn't. I've been corrected a fair number of times here and that spurred me to begin to learn how to research what I needed to in order to begin lining up facts. One thing I've always promised myself is to never let myself get too old or too stubborn to learn.
So...there is a component of truth to "to each their own" but there are also a wide range of factors that we all have in common to varying degrees.
A topic like this really can spur some rich discussion and opportunities to learn if everyone participates with an open mind.
Just my 2 cents...
Anyone can request a mod move a thread by going to the OP and clicking Flag > Report > Other and a comment like "Please consider moving this contentious topic to Debate."
Ah did not know that, thanks!
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The way I look at any sort of fasting, and this is solely my opinion: I don't care about the supposed benefits, only how it benefits me. I don't care if it's going to help my body renew cells faster or how I'm "supposed" to do it. I have used IF in the past, sort of. (A girl needs creamer in her coffee. To me, black coffee is sacrilegious.) Right now, I'm trying 5:2, but I'm purposely doing it wrong. (500 net calories per day, 2 days a week. That has me losing about a pound a week on paper, but I just started.) I don't care about no stinkin' science, lol, just what helps me lose.1
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Clarisse_McClellan wrote: »The way I look at any sort of fasting, and this is solely my opinion: I don't care about the supposed benefits, only how it benefits me. I don't care if it's going to help my body renew cells faster or how I'm "supposed" to do it. I have used IF in the past, sort of. (A girl needs creamer in her coffee. To me, black coffee is sacrilegious.) Right now, I'm trying 5:2, but I'm purposely doing it wrong. (500 net calories per day, 2 days a week. That has me losing about a pound a week on paper, but I just started.) I don't care about no stinkin' science, lol, just what helps me lose.
The beauty about science is that you don't have to understand it or care about it in order for it to work for you.
Take gravity, for example... 9
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