Weigh 329 lbs eating 1,500 calories
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Also, if you are not eating back at least a portion of your exercise calories, or have deliberately chosen an inaccurate activity level, you are not using MFP the way it was intended. 1500 is already the bare minimum for men... if you are netting less than that due to activity, that puts you in unsafe territory, particularly if you aren't under a doctor's care.3
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There was an interesting article in the NY Times that summarized a recent study. "The subjects were recruited by scientists at the National Institutes of Health and assigned to live in a research facility for four weeks. There they were fed both diets — a whole foods diet or an ultra-processed one, along with snacks in each category — for two weeks each and carefully monitored. They were instructed to consume as much or as little as desired." A week's worth of meals for both conditions was provided. The processed-food group, also given extra fiber supplement since their diet contained less fiber & the processed foods weren't just what some folks would call "junk" but pretty typical food Americans eat (Cheerios, muffins, deli turkey sandwiches, turkey sausage, bagels, etc)
Edited to add - 20 stable weight adults (10 males, 10 females) were monitored for 28 days - half started on processed diet, half on unprocessed diet for two weeks, and then they switched to the other without a washout period. The journal article gives all the various conditions. The NYTimes article provides pictures of 7 days of each condition's meals/snacks. The total # of calories available for consumption was around 5,000/day.
The article summarized the results: "The subjects spontaneously ate a lot more calories on the processed diet and, not surprisingly, gained weight. On the unprocessed diet, they consumed far fewer calories and lost weight. An analysis of their hormone levels seemed to indicate why: On the unprocessed diet, their levels of the appetite-suppressing hormone PYY increased while levels of ghrelin, a hormone that stimulates hunger, fell."
The link to the article is here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/well/eat/why-eating-processed-foods-might-make-you-fat.html
The link to the study is here: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(19)30248-7
In terms of your level of satiety, OP, maybe if you are eating less processed food and more whole food, your level of ghelin (MFP spellcheck wants that to be gherkin lol) is more suppressed.9 -
Most of the evidence I have seen suggests that a loss of 0.25 to 0.75% of bodyweight per week would facilitate a minimal loss of lean mass. And there is lots of agreement to extending to 1% for the same. There is even quite a bit of agreement extending that to up to 1.25 or 1.5% of bodyweight per week.
And when your fat to lean mass ratio is where it is currently, you are probably quite safe losing at both more than 2lbs a week AND at a faster rate approaching that 1.5%
But before we all get too sure of ourselves... the rates of bodyweight per week only apply in the context of successfully applying the deficit.
And the larger the deficit and leaner the person the less likely the success of the application!
THAT SAID.
Your "hunger" right now while you're at a deficit says nothing about your hunger long term or what will happen when you experience rebound hunger when you eventually exit your deficit. And whether that rebound is more likely and more intense if you apply too large of a deficit for too long.
CAN THE DIET BETS. You will probably win this one because you're in an ideal position to do so. However, long term, your motivation better be your own.
Fun and games are fun but if you don't discover your inner reasons for losing the weight and maintaining the weight loss, the money motive is not going to help you manage.
Also weight loss does not, long term, happen on a time table. Just because you applied your deficit today does not mean it will be reflected on the scale tomorrow. And the opposite holds true too.
Right now your losses are working like clockwork for you because you're in a position of being able to apply an excessive deficit. You won't be able to do so for the full length of your weight loss. And if you do try to apply an excessive deficit for the full length of your weight loss, the likelihood of a rebound, in my opinion, increases.
You have a long period of loss in front of you, If you do it at a reasonable pace. We are talking a couple of years, not a couple of months. If you incorporate the occasional refeeds. If you incorporate diet breaks when you need them. If you manage the weight loss and keep things manageable you may get to the end of it knowing enough about yourself and having enough tools in your tool-belt to successfully defend your weight loss.
If you decide to go hell on wheels instead, I hope that you have a competent team around you who will offer the nutritional support, and the counselling and insights you will not have the time to self discover.
You need time to develop new habits and a new relationships with food, general activity, and even exercise. And you need the time for these habits to become quite embedded before you're done with your weight loss phase/honeymoon of feeling good while losing weight.
Spend your time trying to discover a variety of foods that are filling and which you enjoy eating and which will work for you long term. Spend your time trying to change your life around so that you have more options for daily activity and a layered defence plan for when things go sideways--because they always do.
Health, injuries, family, job, all these things tend to interfere with our plans and need to be accommodated to first of all succeed with and then defend the weight loss.
Last thought for you.
Do you see yourself eating @1500 Cal a day for the remaining years of your life? Are you just on a diet, or should you also be figuring out and practicing how you're going to function in the coming years?
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Not at all. I think you are doing exactly the right thing
You are right on track. Keep it up and good luck! 1 -
So, since I don't like it when people don't post the outcome after a discussion such as this, I figured I should say how it went.
I ended up following my plan to the T and won! I felt fine during the entire process. I wasn't ever hungry, tired and I didn't experience any medical issues. This was a great experience but I think if I decide to do another one of these bets I will make sure to work harder to meet the goal at a steadier pace.
Since I saw people posting about Dietbet a lot on here I want to make it clear I didn't use Dietbet. I don't like it when the time constraints are set for you. I used HealthyWage. I can choose the amount of weight I want to lose and how long I want the bet to last. Again, even with that, I still procrastinated. lol However, I did learn my lesson. 1 -
I don't think anyone expected you to have "medical issues" for a short term burst like that. It is if you do it for a long time that is a problem. It may also be a problem if you have been pushing your weight loss to the outer limits for a long time and then tried to push harder.
Congrats on winning I suppose. I can't be too cheery about an idea I don't like I am afraid.2 -
As I posted earlier, I have no plans of pushing this plan out any further.
And..thanks...I suppose.0 -
Yes, congratulations on winning! More importantly, congratulations on losing a lot of weight that will hopefully make you healthier, happier, and more able to do more things, so happier again. Win, Win, Win, Win!2
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Congrats on the weight loss OP !
You've gone all out to get informed before you start which was good thinking.
There is always a lot of judgement / side eye on these forums, especially if you arent doing what other people think you should.
Ultimately, your life, your choices ! Again, well done !4 -
OooohToast wrote: »Congrats on the weight loss OP !
You've gone all out to get informed before you start which was good thinking.
There is always a lot of judgement / side eye on these forums, especially if you arent doing what other people think you should.
Ultimately, your life, your choices ! Again, well done !
We see a lot of people come through here and while the OP may have been well-suited for the challenge others may think it is a good idea but employ water fasts and whose knows what else to win.1 -
We see a lot of people come through here and while the OP may have been well-suited for the challenge others may think it is a good idea but employ water fasts and whose knows what else to win.
Wow!! Who said anything about water fasts and “who knows what else”!!
I detailed out exactly what I was going to do and there was nothing in there about water fasts. After I finished each meal I was content. I was also able to incorporate snacks into the plan. There was no fasting or rigging of the system. I had a plan and I stuck to it.
Also, OooohToast. Thank you. I really appreciate it.
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Corptheater wrote: »We see a lot of people come through here and while the OP may have been well-suited for the challenge others may think it is a good idea but employ water fasts and whose knows what else to win.
Wow!! Who said anything about water fasts and “who knows what else”!!
I detailed out exactly what I was going to do and there was nothing in there about water fasts. After I finished each meal I was content. I was also able to incorporate snacks into the plan. There was no fasting or rigging of the system. I had a plan and I stuck to it.
You should re-read. I said other people might try to do that. They certainly do it for non-monetary reasons.1 -
Corptheater wrote: »We see a lot of people come through here and while the OP may have been well-suited for the challenge others may think it is a good idea but employ water fasts and whose knows what else to win.
Wow!! Who said anything about water fasts and “who knows what else”!!
I detailed out exactly what I was going to do and there was nothing in there about water fasts. After I finished each meal I was content. I was also able to incorporate snacks into the plan. There was no fasting or rigging of the system. I had a plan and I stuck to it.
Part of the forums is that people sometimes generalise or reference their often extensive (and quality) experience of other threads.
Although this may be relevant in a more abstract debate about what someone has or hasnt done and why, it may not actually be relevant to the you, the OP.
I cannot tell you how many OP's ask a question about what they want to do (informed or otherwise) and there is long list of responses beneath from posters dismissing them, telling them how wrong they are, or just chatting amongst themselves.
The takeway for you OP is that this is not personal - its the nature of these boards.
You did good !1 -
I appreciate the clarification OooohToast. 1
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