Bacon?
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I have lost almost 70 lbs. And I eat bacon whenever I can. And cookies (Oreos are divine, but only with milk!). And cake. And ice cream. And chocolate. And pizza. And burgers....
I eat all the foods and still lose weight.
I'm on the "no restrictions" diet. lol
Just log all your calories honestly.10 -
The answer is going to be the same for every food topic you start. There is no food that will guarantee weight loss or slow it down. Too many apples will keep a person from losing weight if it causes a calorie surplus.
I have lost over 150 pounds and I have done it eating all different kinds of food that fit in my calorie budget. I have also eaten in excess of my budget on occasion and still lost a lot of weight because perfection is not required. The only thing that is required is that you spend the majority of your time in a calorie deficit.10 -
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sweetangelkitten wrote: »I don't mean it in a way that you can eat an unlimited amount, I mean about the calorie to feeling satisfied ratio. Like I find potatoes very filling and find turkey very filling, but cookies make me hungrier if that makes sense. I mean calorie deficit is great, but a calorie is not a calorie. Some calories are more nutritious than others and keep you fuller longer and feeling well. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am looking for food choices that are nutrient rich, low calorie, and filling. So I can do and feel my best.
This is going to sound really picky, but it's an important distinction...
A calorie is exactly the same as any other calorie in the same way that a mile is the same distance as any other mile. You can travel a mile uphill, down hill, over sand, over gravel, or over well paved highway and it's the exact same distance. Every calorie is exactly the same as every other calorie because a calorie is just a unit of measure that measures energy.
This is very different than the nutrition profile of a particular food. Some foods are full of vitamins, minerals, fiber, and good healthy fat, while other foods contain different nutrients. (All foods have nutrients btw, no food is nutrient free.) But a calorie is still a calorie.
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sweetangelkitten wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »sweetangelkitten wrote: »... Do you recommend bacon while losing weight? Why or why not?
All foods can by eaten while losing weight as long as you are in a calorie deficit.
You have made at least two post about different kinds of foods that lead me to think you have a less than positive relationship with food. Foods are not good or bad, they're just food. No food can make you gain or lose weight. Some foods are more nutritious than others, but can still be eaten if they fit into your goals.
I have struggles with food and body image yes. I just want to get things that are nutritious. Some foods are better for you than others , like I said about the apples vs bacon. I've been researching potatoes and finding opposing sides on the issue, and would like to heat some person experiences about it. I want to feel good about myself and have nutritious and tasty things that I can enjoy on the regular
sweetangelkitten wrote: »The answer is going to be the same for every food topic you start. There is no food that will guarantee weight loss or slow it down. Too many apples will keep a person from losing weight if it causes a calorie surplus.
I have lost over 150 pounds and I have done it eating all different kinds of food that fit in my calorie budget. I have also eaten in excess of my budget on occasion and still lost a lot of weight because perfection is not required. The only thing that is required is that you spend the majority of your time in a calorie deficit.
I don't mean it in a way that you can eat an unlimited amount, I mean about the calorie to feeling satisfied ratio. Like I find potatoes very filling and find turkey very filling, but cookies make me hungrier if that makes sense. I mean calorie deficit is great, but a calorie is not a calorie. Some calories are more nutritious than others and keep you fuller longer and feeling well. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am looking for food choices that are nutrient rich, low calorie, and filling. So I can do and feel my best.
You find potatoes very filling - no need to research them further.
At least one study found potatoes to be the most filling food among many other food choices.
Potatoes have been unfairly demonized during the whole "carbs are the devil" thing.12 -
kshama2001 wrote: »sweetangelkitten wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »sweetangelkitten wrote: »... Do you recommend bacon while losing weight? Why or why not?
All foods can by eaten while losing weight as long as you are in a calorie deficit.
You have made at least two post about different kinds of foods that lead me to think you have a less than positive relationship with food. Foods are not good or bad, they're just food. No food can make you gain or lose weight. Some foods are more nutritious than others, but can still be eaten if they fit into your goals.
I have struggles with food and body image yes. I just want to get things that are nutritious. Some foods are better for you than others , like I said about the apples vs bacon. I've been researching potatoes and finding opposing sides on the issue, and would like to heat some person experiences about it. I want to feel good about myself and have nutritious and tasty things that I can enjoy on the regularsweetangelkitten wrote: »The answer is going to be the same for every food topic you start. There is no food that will guarantee weight loss or slow it down. Too many apples will keep a person from losing weight if it causes a calorie surplus.
I have lost over 150 pounds and I have done it eating all different kinds of food that fit in my calorie budget. I have also eaten in excess of my budget on occasion and still lost a lot of weight because perfection is not required. The only thing that is required is that you spend the majority of your time in a calorie deficit.
I don't mean it in a way that you can eat an unlimited amount, I mean about the calorie to feeling satisfied ratio. Like I find potatoes very filling and find turkey very filling, but cookies make me hungrier if that makes sense. I mean calorie deficit is great, but a calorie is not a calorie. Some calories are more nutritious than others and keep you fuller longer and feeling well. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am looking for food choices that are nutrient rich, low calorie, and filling. So I can do and feel my best.
You find potatoes very filling - no need to research them further.
At least one study found potatoes to be the most filling food among many other food choices.
Potatoes have been unfairly demonized during the whole "carbs are the devil" thing.
++^this
And OP, potatoes are yummy fried in that bacon grease that you are saving after frying your bacon!8 -
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sweetangelkitten wrote: »It just sucks that potatoes have gotten a bad rap over the last couple years especially with the keto fad and atkins ect...
Fortunately, there is no need to do keto or atkins in order to lose weight - all you need is a calorie deficit, which you can create from any WOE
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Is no one concerned about the nitrates and nitrites in bacon, which are meant to be carcinogenic?7
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Is no one concerned about the nitrates and nitrites in bacon, which are meant to be carcinogenic?
If the nitrates/nitrites issue bothers you, you can get uncured bacon which will not contain them (or at least, much less than cured). As for the carcinogen angle, you would have to eat a LOT of bacon multiple days of the week for many many years for the absolute risk factor to increase by about 1% (hint, breathing the air in any major city in the world is far more dangerous than eating bacon).11 -
sweetangelkitten wrote: »The answer is going to be the same for every food topic you start. There is no food that will guarantee weight loss or slow it down. Too many apples will keep a person from losing weight if it causes a calorie surplus.
I have lost over 150 pounds and I have done it eating all different kinds of food that fit in my calorie budget. I have also eaten in excess of my budget on occasion and still lost a lot of weight because perfection is not required. The only thing that is required is that you spend the majority of your time in a calorie deficit.
I don't mean it in a way that you can eat an unlimited amount, I mean about the calorie to feeling satisfied ratio. Like I find potatoes very filling and find turkey very filling, but cookies make me hungrier if that makes sense. I mean calorie deficit is great, but a calorie is not a calorie. Some calories are more nutritious than others and keep you fuller longer and feeling well. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am looking for food choices that are nutrient rich, low calorie, and filling. So I can do and feel my best.
Re the bolded, the reason this is confusing is that you seem to be using "calories" as if it mean "food." The calories are one property of foods, and they are a unit of measurement. You and I may be a different number of inches high, and we may have other differences too (of course!), but the inches are not different (they are just a unit of measurement so an inch is an inch) and saying "an inch is an inch" does not mean everything measured in inches have no other differences.
So, a calorie IS a calorie, but foods have many differences besides the number of calories they contain.
Similarly, calories do not have nutrients, so it is not accurate to state that some calories have more nutrients than others. It is true that some foods are more nutrient dense than others and that the particular nutrients they contain are different.
I would focus on foods that are filling for the calories and nutrient rich given what you want in your diet, but I certainly would not limit myself only to foods that are "low calorie." Some of the most nutrient rich foods may be higher cal, like avocado and nuts and seeds, among others. Fatty fish may have more cals than whitefish, but it also has omega-3s in greater amounts, and those are important, etc.
With respect to the potato question, I don't get why it's a question, as they are decent wrt nutrients and, just as important or more, you said you enjoy them and find them filling. That's why I'm wondering about whether you are applying an unnecessarily restrictive approach to diet (if a food isn't the lowest cal for the nutrients it's bad or some such).7 -
In the past year ive lost 117 lbs. I eat bacon and egg omelet with lots of veggies almost everyday5
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Bacon is just a calorie dense food. It matters whether you weigh it cooked or raw. If the rendered bacon fat is used in the dish, like a couple of strips of bacon on the baked bean casserole, you have to weigh it raw. But, if you fry it in a pan and there are two tablespoons of bacon fat left in the pan, you need to weigh it cooked. Unless, of course, you are going to drink the bacon fat.0
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sweetangelkitten wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »sweetangelkitten wrote: »I don't mean it in a way that you can eat an unlimited amount, I mean about the calorie to feeling satisfied ratio. Like I find potatoes very filling and find turkey very filling, but cookies make me hungrier if that makes sense. I mean calorie deficit is great, but a calorie is not a calorie. Some calories are more nutritious than others and keep you fuller longer and feeling well. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am looking for food choices that are nutrient rich, low calorie, and filling. So I can do and feel my best.
This is going to sound really picky, but it's an important distinction...
A calorie is exactly the same as any other calorie in the same way that a mile is the same distance as any other mile. You can travel a mile uphill, down hill, over sand, over gravel, or over well paved highway and it's the exact same distance. Every calorie is exactly the same as every other calorie because a calorie is just a unit of measure that measures energy.
This is very different than the nutrition profile of a particular food. Some foods are full of vitamins, minerals, fiber, and good healthy fat, while other foods contain different nutrients. (All foods have nutrients btw, no food is nutrient free.) But a calorie is still a calorie.
Alright, then I was wondering if these particular foods have good nutrient profiles, low calorie and are filling. How is that ? Better now? lol Thank you
The only one who knows if a food is filling for you is you.
For me, it depends on how I eat it too. Plain pasta, even if I ate multiple servings, is not filling. Pasta with some shrimp, lots of veg, and a little olive oil is quite filling, even if I eat less pasta so that the calories are the same.
Roasted potatoes with a little olive oil and salt and maybe some dill or chives or garlic or rosemary are filling for me. Good, perfectly cooked french fries, well, it doesn't matter if they are technically filling or not, it's really easy for me to keep eating them and to exceed the calories I intended to devote to them (especially since the fat they include adds so many cals).
Not saying I don't eat fries, but they are more of a "once in a while" or "treat" type food and I eat them much more rarely than roasted potatoes.
I'm off sweets at the moment (it's weird, I never want them, I'm much more into spicy or salty), but I used to have about 200 cal of ice cream after dinner multiple times a week, and having that after a nutrient-dense, satisfying dinner if anything added to my feeling of satiety. If I'd had a bowl of ice cream at lunchtime instead (in lieu of lunch), no doubt I would have felt anything but sated and wanted to keep eating ice cream.
The one who can figure out these things is you -- there's not some universal rule that X, Y, and Z foods are good for a diet and A, B, and C foods are not. Context and dosage are important, and so is your own reaction and how sustainable what you are doing is for you.7 -
sweetangelkitten wrote: »
Alright, then I was wondering if these particular foods have good nutrient profiles, low calorie and are filling. How is that ? Better now? lol Thank you
Only you can determine if a food is filling for you. Some people find carbs very satiating, others need fat to feel full. I need a balance of macros.sweetangelkitten wrote: »It just sucks that potatoes have gotten a bad rap over the last couple years especially with the keto fad and atkins ect...
Why does it matter that other people think potatoes are bad if they work for you?4 -
sweetangelkitten wrote: »The answer is going to be the same for every food topic you start. There is no food that will guarantee weight loss or slow it down. Too many apples will keep a person from losing weight if it causes a calorie surplus.
I have lost over 150 pounds and I have done it eating all different kinds of food that fit in my calorie budget. I have also eaten in excess of my budget on occasion and still lost a lot of weight because perfection is not required. The only thing that is required is that you spend the majority of your time in a calorie deficit.
I don't mean it in a way that you can eat an unlimited amount, I mean about the calorie to feeling satisfied ratio. Like I find potatoes very filling and find turkey very filling, but cookies make me hungrier if that makes sense. I mean calorie deficit is great, but a calorie is not a calorie. Some calories are more nutritious than others and keep you fuller longer and feeling well. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am looking for food choices that are nutrient rich, low calorie, and filling. So I can do and feel my best.
I think you have gotten the responses you need about calories being calories. I think I need to point out that you are way overthinking eating. Nutrition is not really that hard. Get adequate protein and fat and eat a variety of food. Unless you are clearly deficient in some nutrient or the doctor tells you to watch something or eat more of something just eat and enjoy.5 -
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Is no one concerned about the nitrates and nitrites in bacon, which are meant to be carcinogenic?
Nitrates and nitrites are indeed a factor for me, but more importantly I care that the pigs were treated more humanely, as well as the workers, so buy from those brands who share my values, and not brands like Smithfield, who had a dishonorable mention in "Food, Inc." for how they treat their employees.3 -
sweetangelkitten wrote: »VioletRojo wrote: »sweetangelkitten wrote: »
Alright, then I was wondering if these particular foods have good nutrient profiles, low calorie and are filling. How is that ? Better now? lol Thank you
Only you can determine if a food is filling for you. Some people find carbs very satiating, others need fat to feel full. I need a balance of macros.sweetangelkitten wrote: »It just sucks that potatoes have gotten a bad rap over the last couple years especially with the keto fad and atkins ect...
Why does it matter that other people think potatoes are bad if they work for you?
Because I like to know the health facts and hear about experiences. There are so many articles and info that it gets really hard
If you posted some links to articles we could help you vet sources.3 -
Bacon is delicious.
Yes I highly recommend it. With eggs too
I also enjoy turkey bacon
Can eat more.
Fat is like 110 to 120 per tablespoon. I think I use "butter" as a reference for weight.
I saw talks of it being carcinogenic.
All that means it has the potential to cause cancer. Not that it definitely will. UV rays are carcinogenic. Yet we can't live without the sun lol.2 -
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Others have eloquently said everything that really needed to be said, so all I have to add on the subject...
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sweetangelkitten wrote: »sytchequeen wrote: »nothing wrong with a bit of bacon, if honestly logged and accounted for.
I'll even admit to reserving the fat that comes out of it and cooking something else in it instead of using cooking oil. But when I do I also log the bacon fat (as well as the greens I just wilted down in it)
Everything in moderation
I also save the fat in a jar, though I am not sure how to measure it for calories. How many calories does it have per tablespoon?
Fat is fat - 120 cal per table spoon.
Or better yet, 130 calories per 14 g (technically 126 calc but for most of us, better to round up than down). I believe the database entry is something like "animal fat, bacon grease".0 -
Cooked bacon is about 130 cal per oz but it weighs half as much as raw. Or, less if you like it crispy.
https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/108620 -
Is no one concerned about the nitrates and nitrites in bacon, which are meant to be carcinogenic?
Vegetables have more nitrates than bacon, so if processed meat is raising the risk of colon cancer, something else is probably doing it. There are too many variables, especially lifestyle. People like to focus on the foods that "cause" cancer, but they forget there's a list of foods just as long (or longer) that help prevent cancer. If you're eating a healthy, balanced diet and live a healthy, balanced lifestyle, you shouldn't have to avoid eating things like bacon. I sure don't!
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