Raw natural honey
Sandeeng84
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Little background: I always get my honey from a local farmers market. They harvest the honey from local hives within a 10 mile radius from my house. No middle man no factory. Pure raw natural honey.
With that being said
Is the raw natural honey that’s sold and made locally(within 10 miles) a better sugar substitute?
Or
Are you just swapping sugar for sugar and local raw natural honey isn’t any better than pure sugar cane sugar?
What is your input? Let me know. Any input greatly appreciated.
With that being said
Is the raw natural honey that’s sold and made locally(within 10 miles) a better sugar substitute?
Or
Are you just swapping sugar for sugar and local raw natural honey isn’t any better than pure sugar cane sugar?
What is your input? Let me know. Any input greatly appreciated.
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Honey is basically just fructose and glucose, regardless of who farmed it.
Table sugar is sucrose which is 50/50 fructose and glucose.
Eat whichever you like or works best with the recipe.5 -
Sugar is sugar is sugar. You body doesn't know the difference.
The question is why do you care? Do you have a medical reason to avoid sugar? If not, don't stress over it. If it fits in your diet eat it. If it causes you to go over your goals (calories and health) then eat less.
Good luck.8 -
If you prefer the taste of honey, or if you have the goal of eating locally produced food, then honey is better than sugar. Otherwise it doesn’t matter.5
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in terms of sugar being sugar - yep same *kitten*.
HOWEVER, honey has other benefits like antioxidants and *kitten*. Proper raw natural honey, not the store bought stuff.
Plus, it tastes good.
So yeah, if you like it - eat it.
I buy local farmer's honey too. We go through kilos of the stuff at my place.4 -
Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.1
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Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
the bear honey in your cupboard most likely "adulterated" honey. As in - doesn't have actual pollen from bees in it.
Now, this COULD all be bulldust, but the way I tell real honey from fake honey is that real honey crystallizes in winter, the honey bear in the cupboard never crystallizes. Fake honey has other stuff like syrup stuff added to it.9 -
Cahgetsfit wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
the bear honey in your cupboard most likely "adulterated" honey. As in - doesn't have actual pollen from bees in it.
Now, this COULD all be bulldust, but the way I tell real honey from fake honey is that real honey crystallizes in winter, the honey bear in the cupboard never crystallizes. Fake honey has other stuff like syrup stuff added to it.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2011/11/25/142659547/relax-folks-it-really-is-honey-after-all1 -
Cahgetsfit wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
the bear honey in your cupboard most likely "adulterated" honey. As in - doesn't have actual pollen from bees in it.
Now, this COULD all be bulldust, but the way I tell real honey from fake honey is that real honey crystallizes in winter, the honey bear in the cupboard never crystallizes. Fake honey has other stuff like syrup stuff added to it.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2011/11/25/142659547/relax-folks-it-really-is-honey-after-all
yeah, but so is this article that is also credible from a public broadcasting association here in Australia about honey and how pure (or not) it is.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-03/capilano-and-supermarkets-accused-of-selling-fake-honey/10187628
and from our credible newspaper
https://www.smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/fake-honey-scandal-widens-to-australian-sourced-brands-20181002-p507ar.html
I don't know but the taste is definitely different between the tub of farmer honey I buy in the country and the supermarket bear honey.... each tub of the farmer honey I buy has a totally different taste based on which flowers it was harvested from.
I'll stick with "real" honey.6 -
Cahgetsfit wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
the bear honey in your cupboard most likely "adulterated" honey. As in - doesn't have actual pollen from bees in it.
Now, this COULD all be bulldust, but the way I tell real honey from fake honey is that real honey crystallizes in winter, the honey bear in the cupboard never crystallizes. Fake honey has other stuff like syrup stuff added to it.
It has to have a lot of honey in it for it to be sold as honey. Why would I care if it isn't 100 percent? Syrup is still sugar so the product works as expected - it sweetens. I appreciate that it doesn't crystallize because in the winter is often when one of us is sick and may want to use it. I would be worried if they were adding cyanide to the honey but modifying it to make it more usable is probably what many consumers want. There is this craze that if you get something remotely unnatural that you are missing out on some elusive super health status. meh I will stick with losing weight and increasing exercise which are the chainsaws before worrying about syrup in my honey which may not even qualify as a plastic knife.2 -
I think real local honey is the way to go for me.
I can buy corn syrup at a price far reduced from the cost of honey - why would I pay a manufacturer to sell me corn syrup at a price that is far exaggerated for the actual product I'm consuming? That's silly.
I feel the same way about maple syrup. I buy real maple syrup, not maple-flavored corn syrup.
I can get corn syrup for under $19 -
You cannot buy corn syrup that is mostly honey for under $1.
It is also not silly it is just not what you would do. I get sick enough to drink tea and honey maybe every 3 years at which time I might consume a quarter cup of honey. This issue has next to no impact on my life and I would imagine I am not the only person with a bear of honey that seldom ever gets touched in their cabinet. Worrying myself about a product I use so little WOULD be silly.3 -
I bought a small jar of local honey when I was on vacation in Maui at a farmer’s market, It tasted like Hawaii, very floral with a hint of ocean air. It was too dang delicious to put it on anything, so I ate it a little at a time with a spoon. When we go back next year, I will be buying a much bigger jar.10
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L1zardQueen wrote: »I bought a small jar of local honey when I was on vacation in Maui at a farmer’s market, It tasted like Hawaii, very floral with a hint of ocean air. It was too dang delicious to put it on anything, so I ate it a little at a time with a spoon. When we go back next year, I will be buying a much bigger jar.
I used to have a honey man who sold at 2 different Farmer's Markets near me. One of them (the really big one) his customers preferred his wildflower honey which is what honey is called when the bees had a lot of different flowers to graze on. The smaller Farmer's Market was where his different flavors were popular (he had reciprocal agreements with several farmers where he would place hives in their fields and orchards. Bees helped increase their yields and he got honey). It was amazing the different flavors. Pumpkin honey really did taste like pumpkins. My favorite was his chokecherry honey which had a bit of a sweet/sour flavor. He is retired now
OP: the only real difference between honey and table sugar is that honey has more calories and more sugar per teaspoon than table sugar.7 -
Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
I think the “distance from your house” thing has to do with allergies. There is a theory that eating honey from your local area can help desensitize you to your local pollens and therefore help those with seasonal allergies. But I don’t believe that’s been scientifically proven.5 -
Sandeeng84 wrote: »Little background: I always get my honey from a local farmers market. They harvest the honey from local hives within a 10 mile radius from my house. No middle man no factory. Pure raw natural honey.
With that being said
Is the raw natural honey that’s sold and made locally(within 10 miles) a better sugar substitute?
Or
Are you just swapping sugar for sugar and local raw natural honey isn’t any better than pure sugar cane sugar?
What is your input? Let me know. Any input greatly appreciated.
Better for what?
If you're talking about losing weight, no there's no difference. They both have calories and those calories need to be logged just like any other calories.
Are you concerned about diabetes or other blood sugar issues? If so, then no there's no benefit. Sugar is sugar. There were some theories that honey helped stabilize BG, but nothing outside of a rat study showed anything.
Any other purported benefits are theoretical and have not been able to be proven scientifically. Some people claim consuming raw local honey improved their seasonal allergies, and as with pretty much any other "natural" product there are a million blogs trying to convince you it cures everything.
I think I've read that there are additional nutrients in honey, but unless you intend to eat large daily quantities, I doubt it's enough to have much affect either way.
So use whichever you like the taste of and fits in your budget. I like to buy local honey to throw a little business at the local farm, but mostly use sugar anyway.3 -
I've actually found honey flavored products in place of honey in some stores where I'm at. Honey flavored agave syrup mixed with stevia. Packaged in a bear and marketed as Honey "flavored"
What is the world coming to?3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
I think the “distance from your house” thing has to do with allergies. There is a theory that eating honey from your local area can help desensitize you to your local pollens and therefore help those with seasonal allergies. But I don’t believe that’s been scientifically proven.
I've heard the same thing but as I don't have an allergy to pollen (or as my wife puts it - "you are completely insensitive") it's not a selling point for me so I buy based on taste.
Honey does have antiseptic properties but would guess that only works if you apply it rather than eat it.
It was part of the treatment given to Henry V after he had an arrow removed from his face. Again probably not a huge buying criteria for the general public.....7 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
I think the “distance from your house” thing has to do with allergies. There is a theory that eating honey from your local area can help desensitize you to your local pollens and therefore help those with seasonal allergies. But I don’t believe that’s been scientifically proven.
I've heard the same thing but as I don't have an allergy to pollen (or as my wife puts it - "you are completely insensitive") it's not a selling point for me so I buy based on taste.
Honey does have antiseptic properties but would guess that only works if you apply it rather than eat it.
It was part of the treatment given to Henry V after he had an arrow removed from his face. Again probably not a huge buying criteria for the general public.....
If 100 percent honey can treat face arrows I think 51 percent or more can probably treat small cuts. I am still feeling good about my bear.9 -
Sandeeng84 wrote: »Little background: I always get my honey from a local farmers market. They harvest the honey from local hives within a 10 mile radius from my house. No middle man no factory. Pure raw natural honey.
With that being said
Is the raw natural honey that’s sold and made locally(within 10 miles) a better sugar substitute?
Or
Are you just swapping sugar for sugar and local raw natural honey isn’t any better than pure sugar cane sugar?
What is your input? Let me know. Any input greatly appreciated.
No, if the issue is just added sugar, honey is pretty much the same thing.
But there's no need to eliminate added sugar, so that doesn't mean you can't consume honey (or sugar).
As for which is better, there's basically no meaningful difference, so use what you like. I rarely use either, but in some savory dishes I use honey as one of the ingredients. I rarely bake, but I wouldn't bother trying to figure out a way to sub honey for sugar. I don't use honey on biscuits, but my mom used to, and nothing wrong with that. I understand honey in tea is good for sore throats, but have not tried it.
Re: honey having micros or what not, that's true but small amounts so in the amount eaten it's irrelevant IMO. Replacing all added sugar with honey would not affect how healthy one's diet is.0 -
Odd...
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
I think the “distance from your house” thing has to do with allergies. There is a theory that eating honey from your local area can help desensitize you to your local pollens and therefore help those with seasonal allergies. But I don’t believe that’s been scientifically proven.
I've heard this as well. No clue as to how accurate it is.1 -
Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
I only call it nature because it was not made by a factory and not mass produced. The reason I stick to to a close radius is because if you consume locally made honey with the pollen that is also local it can help with allergies. I have terrible spring and fall allergies. No your bear honey in the cabinet isn’t inferior. It’s just that most grocery stores buy honey that’s mass produced in a factory and the honey from my experience has been artificial such as added corn syrup and fructose syrup.4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
I think the “distance from your house” thing has to do with allergies. There is a theory that eating honey from your local area can help desensitize you to your local pollens and therefore help those with seasonal allergies. But I don’t believe that’s been scientifically proven.
Yes when I say distance from home I’m talking allergies. I have terrible fall and spring allergies.1 -
Cahgetsfit wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
the bear honey in your cupboard most likely "adulterated" honey. As in - doesn't have actual pollen from bees in it.
Now, this COULD all be bulldust, but the way I tell real honey from fake honey is that real honey crystallizes in winter, the honey bear in the cupboard never crystallizes. Fake honey has other stuff like syrup stuff added to it.
While boutique honey does have a more complex and wider range of flavor, "bear" honey does taste like honey too.
I think the lack of crystallization of bear honey in the US is due to more filtering and pasteurizing at higher temps.
Raw honey sometimes even comes crystalized.
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well OP - at the end of the day, if it's purely for weight loss calories blah blah - eat whatever fits your calorie goals.
If it's for taste and minimally processed and allergen benefits and all sorts of other stuff that people are calling "Woo" on, then eat your locally sourced honey. Or swap to supermarket bear honey with syrup added.
This turned into one big fight LOLOLOLOLOLOL gotta laugh.
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It took me a moment because he/she was buried in the back of the cabinet but my bear is 100 percent pure organic raw unfiltered and from the state I live in. I was starting to think I might have to go out and lick bees to make sure I got the real deal but apparently random grocery shopping works too.10
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It took me a moment because he/she was buried in the back of the cabinet but my bear is 100 percent pure organic raw unfiltered and from the state I live in. I was starting to think I might have to go out and lick bees to make sure I got the real deal but apparently random grocery shopping works too.
My kitty likes to play with the bees that are trying to eat our clover and got stung the other week. His poor paw swelled way up.4 -
Even the Walmart Great Value brand honey is actual real 100% honey from bees, not factory produced syrup.2
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Cahgetsfit wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
the bear honey in your cupboard most likely "adulterated" honey. As in - doesn't have actual pollen from bees in it.
Now, this COULD all be bulldust, but the way I tell real honey from fake honey is that real honey crystallizes in winter, the honey bear in the cupboard never crystallizes. Fake honey has other stuff like syrup stuff added to it.
If a product has something removed, it isn't "adulterated." It's refined or purified. You have to add something that isn't normally there to "adulterate" it.5 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »Is there some importance regarding the distance to your house? What happens if you get honey harvested in a 20 mile radius? I also do not understand that 'natural' adjective. I was unaware there was a non-bee fabricated honey on the market. I really do not keep up with these things. Is my bear of honey in my cabinet somehow inferior? It never gets touched except when someone is ill. I use no sweeteners and she uses Splenda.
the bear honey in your cupboard most likely "adulterated" honey. As in - doesn't have actual pollen from bees in it.
Now, this COULD all be bulldust, but the way I tell real honey from fake honey is that real honey crystallizes in winter, the honey bear in the cupboard never crystallizes. Fake honey has other stuff like syrup stuff added to it.
If a product has something removed, it isn't "adulterated." It's refined or purified. You have to add something that isn't normally there to "adulterate" it.
rice syrup is added to honey - therefore "adulterated"1
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