Keto diet

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  • psychod787
    psychod787 Posts: 4,099 Member
    candylilacs wrote: »
    psychod787 wrote: »
    Ok, first off you did not gain 75lbs eating 1000 cals a day. That is a physical impossibility. 75lbs of weight gain would add roughly 750 cals a day to a tdee. . . . Not calling you a lair, but something does not add up.

    First of all, blame the victim much?
    missysippy930 wrote: »
    Clearly, this person wasn’t ACCURATELY, weighing, measuring their calorie intake. The doctor didn’t believe this person gained weight.

    Who does have a scale for food? I don't.
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    See answer above, but you didn't answer my question about "second phase what." I suspected what you were talking about was 2nd phase Atkins, which I don't think is "keto" strictly speaking and has a higher carb level. As I mentioned above, I also don't think it really matters if one is in ketosis or not (or that the "stix" are all the reliable) but I also believe that that for many even seeking to do a very low carb diet aiming for, say, under 50 net would likely be a better place to start than under 20, so if that's what you like that's great. I was just trying to clarify. (If second phase Atkins is still how I remember it, I'm a fan, I just think it's different from keto.) . . .I consistently see people who are told or read on the internet that keto is under 20 g carbs or under 5% carbs (often they don't even realize this is NET carbs) and then also told they won't have to limit fruit, nuts, non starchy veg.

    I had to decide on the "Keto Diet" and the "Atkins20 Diet" with my husband, and the Atkins diet you can have dairy (FairLife) so we went with it. The husband decided he needed to lose weight so I went along with him. The first two weeks had to have 20g of carb each day. No sugar. Vegetables and protein (Meat, dairy and eggs). I had the "keto flu" where I had cramps in my legs -- just having a Propel once a day helps (but it gives 1 gram of carb). Lettuces, cilantro, cucumber, zucchini, and spinach, you couldn't eat enough of them.

    I lost 15 lbs.

    On to the Phase 2-- nuts, beans, berries, melon and peaches. I have been on this for three weeks. I actually consume about 20-30 carbs a day. Not net carbs, clean 20-30 carbs a day. I actually have to plan around not eating too many carbs so that I can have keto tortillas, keto bread, or keto biscuits. (I have to especially wait on the keto pancakes, strawberries and whipped cream until a weekend!) I have lost 7 pounds.

    Phase 3 - just about ten pounds of your goal weight. Phase 4 - your maintenance. You are supposed be adding 10g of carbs a day for them. With Phase 4 you can have 50-100g of carbs. It depends on your body metabolism. I can have 36 carbs a day and still in ketosis (pink). I have 40 carbs a day (trace) and am not.

    With a brain injury (stroke) and pneumonia with septic shock that put glucose out of whack (my blood glucose was 460! Three months later it's getting better, 190), I felt like I was going to give it a try. I felt nothing but I must be energetic (I was making my own keto bread, tortillas, etc.) and my blood glucose is 120.

    Six weeks of keto, and I lost 22 lbs and my husband lost 24.

    https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/82/1/41/4863422/
  • shelbydodgeguy
    shelbydodgeguy Posts: 194 Member
    youngmomtaz wrote: »
    I eat keto to help with migraine control.

    I do it for this and to help with autoimmune related inflammation as medications alone don't do the trick. In my case it does help.

  • brenn24179
    brenn24179 Posts: 2,144 Member
    I dont do keto, too restrictive but low carb has worked great for me. 100 grams or less and I dont get hungry like I did just counting calories.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    edited October 2019
    candylilacs wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    See answer above, but you didn't answer my question about "second phase what." I suspected what you were talking about was 2nd phase Atkins, which I don't think is "keto" strictly speaking and has a higher carb level. As I mentioned above, I also don't think it really matters if one is in ketosis or not (or that the "stix" are all the reliable) but I also believe that that for many even seeking to do a very low carb diet aiming for, say, under 50 net would likely be a better place to start than under 20, so if that's what you like that's great. I was just trying to clarify. (If second phase Atkins is still how I remember it, I'm a fan, I just think it's different from keto.) . . .I consistently see people who are told or read on the internet that keto is under 20 g carbs or under 5% carbs (often they don't even realize this is NET carbs) and then also told they won't have to limit fruit, nuts, non starchy veg.

    I had to decide on the "Keto Diet" and the "Atkins20 Diet" with my husband, and the Atkins diet you can have dairy (FairLife) so we went with it. The husband decided he needed to lose weight so I went along with him. The first two weeks had to have 20g of carb each day. No sugar. Vegetables and protein (Meat, dairy and eggs). I had the "keto flu" where I had cramps in my legs -- just having a Propel once a day helps (but it gives 1 gram of carb). Lettuces, cilantro, cucumber, zucchini, and spinach, you couldn't eat enough of them.

    I lost 15 lbs.

    On to the Phase 2-- nuts, beans, berries, melon and peaches. I have been on this for three weeks. I actually consume about 20-30 carbs a day. Not net carbs, clean 20-30 carbs a day. I actually have to plan around not eating too many carbs so that I can have keto tortillas, keto bread, or keto biscuits. (I have to especially wait on the keto pancakes, strawberries and whipped cream until a weekend!) I have lost 7 pounds.

    Phase 3 - just about ten pounds of your goal weight. Phase 4 - your maintenance. You are supposed be adding 10g of carbs a day for them. With Phase 4 you can have 50-100g of carbs. It depends on your body metabolism. I can have 36 carbs a day and still in ketosis (pink). I have 40 carbs a day (trace) and am not.

    With a brain injury (stroke) and pneumonia with septic shock that put glucose out of whack (my blood glucose was 460! Three months later it's getting better, 190), I felt like I was going to give it a try. I felt nothing but I must be energetic (I was making my own keto bread, tortillas, etc.) and my blood glucose is 120.

    Six weeks of keto, and I lost 22 lbs and my husband lost 24.

    So like I suspected, Atkins Phase 2. Like I said, I like Atkins phase 2, would find it easier in general than keto [btw, I checked the site and it says 25-50 g NET carbs, but unlimited veg and certain fruits is based on the assumption that you aren't eating a bunch of fake bread and that you aren't a big veg eater even for those numbers, IMO], but if you are eating keto tortillas, keto bread, nuts, berries, melon, and peaches, and say you are under 20-30 total carbs per day, you can't be eating many vegetables and the servings of nuts and fruit must be pretty tiny.

    As I said, I did 35 NET carbs, 60 or so total, and I filled them all with vegetables (non starchy, and I had to stress about it, eating less than normal) plus a serving of nuts and/or a serving of greek yogurt (usually just one or the other) plus half an avocado. I ate no other fruit and absolutely no keto treats or fake bread or low carb bread type products (I don't eat bread much normally so wouldn't bother with low carb bread personally on such a low carb limit). So no, I find it hard to believe that its easy to eat plenty of veg, fruit, and nuts on 20-30 total carbs, and as noted above that's not the carb level normally assumed in Phase 2 Atkins (a medium peach is going to be around 15 g total carbs on its own, and there's about 10 g in 1/2 a cup of blueberries).
  • candylilacs
    candylilacs Posts: 614 Member
    Strawberries! I love them. I consume "Keto" tortillas and bread products three times a week. I had 50 carbs today!
  • OpulentBobble
    OpulentBobble Posts: 18 Member
    There seems to be a bit of confusion going on. CICO will work. Just because CC doesn’t work because you find it difficult to stick to-as opposed to diets based on eliminating food groups, like keto-doesn’t mean it physically wouldn’t work for you. If you were at a retreat that provided you with non-keto meals that were only based on CICO and you had no choice-they did all the measuring, cooking, and portioning for you-you would lose weight.

    It doesn’t work the other way. Someone cannot eat an unlimited keto diet and lose weight.
  • richstyles
    richstyles Posts: 18 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    The results aren't from ketosis, they are because for some keto makes it easier to stick to restricted cals (many count cals while doing it) and because some naturally restrict cals when doing it, either because they find their diets more sating, are avoiding foods they tended to overeat (most of which are high in both carbs and fat), or just because the diet is inherently restrictive, or some combination.

    For me, calorie counting works (although most of what I eat lacks a bar code, so I've never used the scanner) but also cal counting tends to cause me to be more likely to choose foods that are more sating, not less -- I dislike the idea that some others expressed that somehow cal counting means you don't pick foods that you find more sating.

    Anyway, I tried keto as an experiment and found it interesting and not unpleasant, but I missed some of the foods I consider healthful and delicious that I couldn't have much or any of with the carb limit. But that was at maintenance. I could see doing it again to get a bit leaner as trying different dietary approaches can sometimes be motivating for me, and it was a pretty easy dietary pattern.

    Totally agree. I eat what I want it's just that I have concrete numbers so I know that my "hunger" is more habit that necessity.

    The other popular one is intermittent fasting where you basically narrow it to one or two meals within an 8-12 hour window and maintain a fasting state between the rest. This keeps habitual snackers from overeating and comes with some benefits. But it's kind of the same idea, making calorie restriction a by product than the objective.

    CICO is much simpler for me and works great.

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