Protein powder, or not?
tohyidrive
Posts: 14 Member
Hi all,
I am thinking of starting on protein powder (never had before) as I find it hard to hit my protein target. I eat a hard boiled egg everyday as a snack and tries to include protein at every meal, like chicken or tuna. Trying to hit 40P but many times still at 25P.
Any advice? If I should start on a protein powder, any recommendations? Is there such a thing as low calorie protein powder?
MFP sets my calories target at 1300/day (0.75kg loss per week), but I do allow myself to go to 1500 some days. I'm not overly strict on that as I don't want to restrict myself too much.
I'm 83kg, 171cm. 40% BF.
Thank you to you all out there, I've learnt so much from this forum over the past 3 months!
I am thinking of starting on protein powder (never had before) as I find it hard to hit my protein target. I eat a hard boiled egg everyday as a snack and tries to include protein at every meal, like chicken or tuna. Trying to hit 40P but many times still at 25P.
Any advice? If I should start on a protein powder, any recommendations? Is there such a thing as low calorie protein powder?
MFP sets my calories target at 1300/day (0.75kg loss per week), but I do allow myself to go to 1500 some days. I'm not overly strict on that as I don't want to restrict myself too much.
I'm 83kg, 171cm. 40% BF.
Thank you to you all out there, I've learnt so much from this forum over the past 3 months!
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No reason not to try it. I use it to make pancakes, overnight oats, assorted baking, smoothies. There is a lot you can do with it, your not restricted to just a protein shake. I find it helps me meet my goals or even just fill me up.2
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I hope you don't mind my asking: Why 40% protein? That's more than the MFP default, so I assume it's by intention. 25% of 1300 would be 325 calories of protein, about 81g, which doesn't seem terribly low; 40% would be 130g, which is fairly high.
Is the 40% BF from a BIA device (like a scale)? If correct, it implies a lean mass of about 50kg. If so, 110g would be a pretty generous protein goal, and 87 probably adequate (still around twice the USDA/WHO recommendations, which are on the minimal side for people losing weight IMO).
More protein than essential, within reason, won't hurt a healthy person . . . but I'm wondering why a seemingly high goal if you're struggling to hit it?
Nothing wrong with protein powder, if you need it to hit your goal at whatever level. Another option is to consider some different food choices, things you enjoy eating. If you want to go that route, this is an excellent resource:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10247171/carbs-and-fats-are-cheap-heres-a-guide-to-getting-your-proteins-worth-fiber-also
It links to a spreadsheet that lists many, many foods in order by protein efficiency, most protein for fewest calories.
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@AnnPT77 - thank you so much for the advice. I was too fearful of losing my muscle mass while losing weight. So after reading some online sources where several suggested 40P 30C 30F, I've decided to take it on. I'm doing weights training 2-3 times a week too.
Yes my 40% BF is from my weighing scale.
Thanks for the stats. I might aim for 110g for a few weeks and monitor it. Gonna check out the link you sent now.
Thanks heaps.1 -
You might also like this link:
https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/
It's a good summary, written for a non-specialist audience, of research about protein needs in various situations, from an evidence-based site that's generally regarded as neutral/unbiased.
Generally, if you're concerned about protein, it's good to estimate your needs in grams, then set your MFP goals to a percentage close to that result. Starting with the dietary percentages sometimes leads to funky results, since activity level and such cause wide calorie-needs variations among similar-sized people, when protein requirements are more determined by other factors like lean mass and exercise goals.5 -
@AnnPT77 Ahh I see. I've always started with adjusting percentages. Got to go in to change that. Thanks for your help!2
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swierzbik1 wrote: »How do you people eat 1300kcal while recommended daily intake for a 4 year old is 1400kcal is beyond my comprehension.
Literally nothing good comes from that kind of dieting apart from metabolic damage.
Calculate TDEE for someone petite, sedentary and female. Your experience is different.
I grant that many women cut calories too far . . . but MFP thinks I'd maintain in the vicinity of 1500 net. Betting it thinks something very different about you.8 -
swierzbik1 wrote: »How do you people eat 1300kcal while recommended daily intake for a 4 year old is 1400kcal is beyond my comprehension.
Literally nothing good comes from that kind of dieting apart from metabolic damage.
You're also a dude. 1300 can be appropriate for some women. It can also be too little for some women. It depends a lot on their stats, activity level, and targeted rate of loss. But as a blanket statement, it's wrong to say 1300 is too little for everyone.8 -
tohyidrive wrote: »Hi all,
I am thinking of starting on protein powder (never had before) as I find it hard to hit my protein target. I eat a hard boiled egg everyday as a snack and tries to include protein at every meal, like chicken or tuna. Trying to hit 40P but many times still at 25P.
Any advice? If I should start on a protein powder, any recommendations? Is there such a thing as low calorie protein powder?
MFP sets my calories target at 1300/day (0.75kg loss per week), but I do allow myself to go to 1500 some days. I'm not overly strict on that as I don't want to restrict myself too much.
I'm 83kg, 171cm. 40% BF.
Thank you to you all out there, I've learnt so much from this forum over the past 3 months!
Based on your stats, your desire to minimize muscle loss, and overall sustainability, I am thinking you might want to look at 1500 as a better goal. If 1300 gets you 0.75 kg, 1500 will get you a bit over 0.5 kg per week, which is still a pretty quick rate of loss. That will make hitting protein a bit easier, so you don't feel the need to do such high macro percentages.
As far as protein powder, most of it out there is pretty low calorie outside of the protein in it. Most will have a bit of fat and sugar, but usually not much. So the bulk of your calories will come from the protein. Just make sure to get one that's not targeted towards mass gains, as those will be loaded with other things usually.3 -
As far as how much protein, the rule I follow is 1g per 1lb of body weight.
I use Vega protein powder1 -
I've been recommended to move towards 40- 50% protein 30% carbs 20-30% fat due to not loosing weight- I'm now perimenopausal and gaining instead of loosing despite trying!!
As I'm essentially vegetarian I've found it hard to hit 20-30% protein let alone higher. I've just got protein powder this week. Been having 1-2 shakes a day instead of other snacks.
I'm curious how you use it in overnight oats. I'd really like to try that. Can you advise @MsOpus please?1 -
mindovermiles wrote: »As far as how much protein, the rule I follow is 1g per 1lb of body weight.
I use Vega protein powder
That will be serious overkill for anyone who's still overweight or obese. 1g per pound of lean body mass is more than adequate for most people, with only a few subgroups possibly benefitting marginally from more. 0.8g/pound LBM is reasonable for lots. Since most people have no accurate body fat percent estimate, 0.6-0.8g per pound of healthy goal weight (middle of normal BMI range for one's height, if uncertain about goal) is equivalent for most people.
https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/4 -
joannadavison wrote: »I've been recommended to move towards 40- 50% protein 30% carbs 20-30% fat due to not loosing weight- I'm now perimenopausal and gaining instead of loosing despite trying!!
As I'm essentially vegetarian I've found it hard to hit 20-30% protein let alone higher. I've just got protein powder this week. Been having 1-2 shakes a day instead of other snacks.
I'm curious how you use it in overnight oats. I'd really like to try that. Can you advise @MsOpus please?
I just mix it with cashew milk first, then equal parts of that mix to oatmeal plus whatever you like in your oatmeal. If I add fruit I add it right before serving.1 -
I started using it to assist in exactly your described problem. I've dropped over 120lbs so far since January (aiming for 125 by end of year) and around halfway into the drop I noticed muscle loss becoming a problem so I upped my protein intake. I found it hard to hit goal numbers as well and although try to eat as much of it as possible (even in the form of BuiltBar protein bars, Quest Protein Chips, etc) I still sometimes use protein powder. For what it's worth I do believe the increased protein macro helped maintain muscle mass above and beyond just exercising.1
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gemiller87 wrote: »I started using it to assist in exactly your described problem. I've dropped over 120lbs so far since January (aiming for 125 by end of year) and around halfway into the drop I noticed muscle loss becoming a problem so I upped my protein intake. I found it hard to hit goal numbers as well and although try to eat as much of it as possible (even in the form of BuiltBar protein bars, Quest Protein Chips, etc) I still sometimes use protein powder. For what it's worth I do believe the increased protein macro helped maintain muscle mass above and beyond just exercising.
Thank you for sharing. Yes I try taking The Bar Counter protein bars too...
I've upped my calories goal, will monitor for 5-6 weeks.
@gemiller87 What protein powder would you recommend?0 -
tohyidrive wrote: »Hi all,
I am thinking of starting on protein powder (never had before) as I find it hard to hit my protein target. I eat a hard boiled egg everyday as a snack and tries to include protein at every meal, like chicken or tuna. Trying to hit 40P but many times still at 25P.
Any advice? If I should start on a protein powder, any recommendations? Is there such a thing as low calorie protein powder?
MFP sets my calories target at 1300/day (0.75kg loss per week), but I do allow myself to go to 1500 some days. I'm not overly strict on that as I don't want to restrict myself too much.
I'm 83kg, 171cm. 40% BF.
Thank you to you all out there, I've learnt so much from this forum over the past 3 months!
Based on your stats, your desire to minimize muscle loss, and overall sustainability, I am thinking you might want to look at 1500 as a better goal. If 1300 gets you 0.75 kg, 1500 will get you a bit over 0.5 kg per week, which is still a pretty quick rate of loss. That will make hitting protein a bit easier, so you don't feel the need to do such high macro percentages.
As far as protein powder, most of it out there is pretty low calorie outside of the protein in it. Most will have a bit of fat and sugar, but usually not much. So the bulk of your calories will come from the protein. Just make sure to get one that's not targeted towards mass gains, as those will be loaded with other things usually.
Thank you very much for the advice. I've upped my calories goal to 1550. Will slow things down but hopefully minimize losing precious muscle!0 -
I agree with the good advice above, just want to add that I love using protein powder to help reach my goal. I use a vegan chocolate flavor one with pea protein and stevia. It doesn't taste like chocolate milk or anything but it does kinda feel like a "treat." My protein goal is high (feels high to me ~100 grams) and I can only handle eating so much meat, eggs and legumes.1
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I like to have protein/meal replacement powders on hand in case I get sick and for the recovery period after an illness. I've had situations when I'm sure I would have done a lot better if I could have drunk my meals for a while.
Otherwise, I'm more likely to add some of the powder to nondairy yoghurt and puddings, which tend to be very low protein unless based on soy. This just brings them up to the equivalent dairy products. I might add a little to beverages sometimes, but rarely use anything close to a full serving unless I'm making popsicles or nondairy ice cream out of it.
One protein powder in my stash has chia seeds in it, and makes a pretty good pudding all by itself.... just use less water and let the chia seed thicken it in the refrigerator. Maybe add some cocoa powder. Chia seed can be added to other types of protein powder, of course.
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swierzbik1 wrote: »How do you people eat 1300kcal while recommended daily intake for a 4 year old is 1400kcal is beyond my comprehension.
I'm definitely not a 4 year old but two different trackers (MFP and LoseIt) think my daily calorie needs for maintenance at 110 lbs (not skinny, that's always been my normal) is well under 1500 calories -as low as 1430 calories.
That's why smaller (and especially older) women who are not very active can have trouble maintaining a proper weight - there is very little dietary leeway compared to someone whose maintenance is 2500 calories. Exercise of the sort I can actually do doesn't change things that much either, although it has other benefits.
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swierzbik1 wrote: »How do you people eat 1300kcal while recommended daily intake for a 4 year old is 1400kcal is beyond my comprehension.
Literally nothing good comes from that kind of dieting apart from metabolic damage.
A four-year-old's body is working to gain roughly 10% in body mass before it becomes a five-year-old. Whereas the short, sedentary woman for whom 1200 to 1400 kcal might be appropriate could be seeking to lose 20% to 30% in body weight in the next year.
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tohyidrive wrote: »Thank you for sharing. Yes I try taking The Bar Counter protein bars too...
I've upped my calories goal, will monitor for 5-6 weeks.
@gemiller87 What protein powder would you recommend?
I've been using ON (Optimum Nutrition) powder. No problems with it. I've tried walmarts body fortress as well and it's not bad but i've been using that mostly in recipes like just_Tomek's low cal protein cheesecake recipe from that section of this forum. For general use the ON I prefer the taste/resulting texture better.
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gemiller87 wrote: »tohyidrive wrote: »Thank you for sharing. Yes I try taking The Bar Counter protein bars too...
I've upped my calories goal, will monitor for 5-6 weeks.
@gemiller87 What protein powder would you recommend?
I've been using ON (Optimum Nutrition) powder. No problems with it. I've tried walmarts body fortress as well and it's not bad but i've been using that mostly in recipes like just_Tomek's low cal protein cheesecake recipe from that section of this forum. For general use the ON I prefer the taste/resulting texture better.
Thank you for the recommendation!0 -
I like to have protein/meal replacement powders on hand in case I get sick and for the recovery period after an illness. I've had situations when I'm sure I would have done a lot better if I could have drunk my meals for a while.
Otherwise, I'm more likely to add some of the powder to nondairy yoghurt and puddings, which tend to be very low protein unless based on soy. This just brings them up to the equivalent dairy products. I might add a little to beverages sometimes, but rarely use anything close to a full serving unless I'm making popsicles or nondairy ice cream out of it.
One protein powder in my stash has chia seeds in it, and makes a pretty good pudding all by itself.... just use less water and let the chia seed thicken it in the refrigerator. Maybe add some cocoa powder. Chia seed can be added to other types of protein powder, of course.
The pudding is a great idea. I use a lot of chia seeds too. Will try this. Thanks!0
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