Frustrated weight not moving down
Loridunn55
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I am 65 years old 5.1. I started the beginning of the year at 144 lbs. I have used mfp over the years so I went back to logging calories. I saw a drop in weight. It plateaued are 135 in February. Tried Noom and lost 4 lbs in a month so I went back to mfp. When pandemic started. I am faithful aboiut weighing measuring everything. I have increased my activity to walking 5 miles a day and this week have had 20000 steps. I am sticking to the 1200 calories. Yesterday I went from 128.8 from 128.6. While it seems no big deal I would have thought adding so much activity would have the weight coming off quicker. Because I am adding this activity, do I need to add more calories to lose weight? I try to stay around 1200. I also haven’t added a lot of weight exercises so wondering if at my age that is the ticket to dropping pounds. I also drink 64 oz water a day. My only reasoning is I might not be eating enough calories but I hate to add them at end of day just to force it. Thoughts?
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You're added more activity, thus your body likely stores a bit more water temporarily. Also, is 128.8 to 128.6 from one day to another or within a week? Please don't expect a drop on the scale every day. On some days it goes a bit down, on others a bit up. This also depends on how much you sweated at night (again water weight), and how much waste is in your intestines.9
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I weigh everyday. This was for one day, but I am actually .8 higher than a week ago today. I have followed calorie plans for years, and generally 1200 Calories and increase in activity would have at least .5 a week. So I can only guess my age is a factor and I am not sure how to resolve that. I feel
Like metabolism is stuck And considering fasting one day a week to shake it up0 -
The less you have to lose, the slower it's going to come off. At 128 pounds, I suspect you're in the last 10-20 pounds to lose?
You're gonna have to be spot on with your calories, and put on your patient pants. You should be shooting for 0.25 pounds per week.8 -
Ok. I think age
Must be playing a role. As I have gotten down much quicker even 3 years ago my goal is 1200 -
I have crazy fluctuations. Don’t let that stress you out. I was up 5lbs two days ago, hormones & ovulation. Be patient and consistent. It takes time.
Are you using a food scale?1 -
Doesn't weight vary even through one day . mine does.
Just think how fit you are now ,doing all that walking !
I read that carrying weight is well tolerated when walking and carrying +10% body weight led to 13% more calories burned. Dig out the backpack !0 -
the last few lbs are the worst!!!0
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Loridunn55 wrote: »Ok. I think age
Must be playing a role. As I have gotten down much quicker even 3 years ago my goal is 120
I suspect change in activity (water weight issues), and the fact that - for a lot of us, maybe you - this is a high stress time period (lockdowns and such). Stress increase is a water weight factor, along with activity increase. I'd suggest sticking with your current routine for at least a month before deciding something is wrong.
I'm around your age (64). In the big picture, loss of muscle mass with age (and maybe years of too much yo-yo dieting with too little protein, for some of us) can be a factor in our TDEE (total daily energy expenditure, our all day calorie burn). But the actual muscle mass metabolic activity difference is minor (only something like 2-4 calories per day more burned by a pound of muscle vs. a pound of fat). I suspect a bigger deal is the influence on our daily-life activity: The range, type and intensity of that activity.
If I run numbers through a TDEE calculator, my 20 year old same-sized self would be estimated to have a BMR about one daily serving of peanut butter more than my 64 year old BMR. That's not huge. (BMR = basal metabolic rate, or calorie burn before activity - what most people ought to mean when they say "metabolism"). If I use a TDEE calculator that uses body fat percent in its estimates, and set the value the same for young and old me (basically saying we have identical muscle mass), the difference in BMR estimates is . . . zero. Exactly the same value. So, in practice: Not a huge difference because of age (when looked at in population research stats), and most of it quite possibly related to average people's muscle-mass loss with increasing age.
There are many reasons to do some strength exercise (bodyweight, weight lifting, possibly some other alternatives). Actual muscle mass gain is very slow for women our age, and the actual strength exercise tends to burn fewer calories than cardio (even counting EPOC (excess post-exercise oxygen consumption) or "afterburn"). But strength has positive effects on daily life function, increases odds of longer independent life, reduces risk of falls and fractures (something that can be a big inflection point toward earlier mortality for older women), and may help maintain or increase bone strength.
I don't know about you, but a big difference I see in myself as I age is slower recovery from any physical stressor (illness, injury, etc.). Calorie deficit is a physical stressor. I think we're smart to keep it on the moderate-loss-rate side.
So, my advice would be:
1. Patience. Wait a few weeks to see if water-weight weirdness is hiding fat loss on the scale.
2. If you don't already, consider using a free weight-trending app, which does statistical analysis to try to dampen out the effect of water weight fluctuations on scale weight, once you have around a month of daily weights entered. (Not a crystal ball, just smoothed estimates via statistic.). Examples are Happy Scale for iOS, Libra for Android, Trendweight with a free Fitbit account (don't need a device), Weightgrapher, others.
3. Eat nutritiously, especially making sure to get enough protein, ideally spread through the day. The MFP minimum may be on the low side, since research suggests we metabolize protein a little less efficiently as we age. (Timing of eating generally isn't very important, but there are some signs that spreading protein across the day is a help, at higher age.) A good daily protein minimum would be around 0.6-0.8g per pound of a healthy goal weight, IMO.
4. Add some strength training for fitness and health, and maybe more favorable long-future results.
FWIW, back when I was losing (low 180s to low 130s, at 5'5", in 2015 at age 59/60), 1200 (plus all exercise!) was too low for me . . . not because I failed to lose weight, but because it made me weak and fatigued. I'm mysteriously a good li'l ol' calorie burner, but I'd worry more about losing too fast than losing too slowly. So, maybe give yourself a little more time at your current routine?
Best wishes!7 -
Congrats on the loss so far... but I am a little bit concerned with your plan that seems to involve the application of an unrelenting and large deficit....
You have to balance deliberate and unconscious activity.
20K steps involves the equivalent of a small hike (more than 3 hours of activity if walking).
Is this cannibalising any other things you used to do? An extreme example would be: I go out for 4 hours, come back and fall dead on the couch where I proceed to spend the rest of the day.
Yes, being extremely active (20K steps is above MFP very active) and eating calories for sedentary (as 1200 would HAVE to be) is a recipe for slowing you down as much as possible to conserve energy.
Also, I am not exactly sure what you're trying to do attempting to lose weight at the pace you are. 9lbs lost between January and February is extreme and suitable for a morbidly obese person. 1lb a week lost is also quite fast.
Daily weight fluctuations are NORMAL and mean nothing. Weight zig zags, it doesn't go in a straight line unless you're applying an extreme energy imbalance (and even then it would be unlikely to keep to a straight line).
That's why weight trend applications and web sites are so often recommended.
Increasing activity is likely to cause water retention for muscle repair. Increased stress is likely to cause water retention.
How much weight are you attempting to lose? Why are you not attempting to move at a much slower rate of 0.25lb a week at most as opposed to trying to apply huge deficits that may be starting to affect your energy levels?
Last, but not least, you may want to have a quick look at this: https://www.smartbmicalculator.com/result.html?unit=1&hf=5&hi=1&wl=128.8&us=1&ua=65&ue=0&gl=
and may want to consider that lean mass lost is extremely difficult to gain/regain as we age. The ratio of fat to lean mass lost deteriorates with a larger deficit...3 -
Thank you for the tips. Sorry I was used to losing half a lb a week if I counted calories and add moderate activity. My calories are still around 1200 and I am more physically active that I had ever been. I only sit down for sewing and I am way for behind as I just not in the house as much. I don’t notice that I am more fatigued, but I do think underlying stress may play a role. Guess I should look at some meditation or yoga. As for exercise During this pandemic, I have more time to not only walk, but I do the sport of dog agility which keeps me hopping and I have five acres to maintain. I have wondered if I should add more strength, weight bearing exercises to add muscle mass. It’s not something I have ever done, but thought it might help. I will keep in mind the water retention idea and see if I can be patient. I do make sure to eat the mfp protein recommendations, but if a little more would help, I can try that too. I have never tried a free weight training app.thank you for the recommendations. Anything to help identify if there aRe issues has been greatly Appreciated.1
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Your previous rate of loss was more than good. If you're seeing week to week continuous progress without ups and downs you're probably moving faster than 0.5lbs a week often with 0.5 lbs a week and normal fluctuations you will weigh more thirty days later on a random day than you did thirty days before and you would still show a weight level reduction commensurate to 0.5lbs a week
You're currently over doing it and as many who have gone thought this are fond of saying, you're fine with the large deficit till the day you're not and then it takes way longer to recover.
If you increased activity when losing at a good rate, you should increase energy intake to compensate.
What's the end goal? Weight? Strength? Energy? Did you have a read of the smartbmi link?
Try a two day refeed prioritizing carbs (eating at maintenance for a couple of days, getting there by adding extra potatoes, for example)
You can't easily eat the recommended amounts of protein while keeping to 1200.
Assuming 120g of protein, this means 480 Cal to protein. At least 30g fats is another 270... leaves about 110 Cal for carbs which is barely above lower carb eating! Tough to fit in a wide assortment of nutrients in that, right?0 -
Not sure what a two day refeed prioritizing carbs is. A friend suggested I am not eating enough calories. End goal is multiple. I would like to be 0 lbs, and basically healthier. Stronger would be nice. By overdoing it, not sure what you mean. I don’t know about a smartbmi link.0
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One more question. Mfp adds calories for exercise. I never eat those. Should I be eating calories including exercise instead of 1200?0
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Loridunn55 wrote: »One more question. Mfp adds calories for exercise. I never eat those. Should I be eating calories including exercise instead of 1200?
You are suppose to eat back the calories. Many people refer to this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67USKg3w_E44
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