just watched 'fathead'....

mostly overstated BS funded by the weston price foundation - it def has an adgenda

It's not BS. Check out the Paleo diet & Primal Blueprint. I live by these plans. Saturated fat is not the enemy, and should not be feared. FAT IS DELICIOUS! Eat some.

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It's not BS. Check out the Paleo diet & Primal Blueprint. I live by these plans. Saturated fat is not the enemy, and should not be feared. FAT IS DELICIOUS! Eat some.

Just curious, but what does the Paleo diet have to do with eating fast food all the time? Would Sisson advocate the consumption of fast food on a daily basis?

IMO, what this study showed was that regardless of your diet, health markers will almost always improve when your weight goes down through a calorie deficit combined with exercise.

Yeah, look up Weston Price - interesting stuff - always good to know who's funding things.

It certainly is........

CSPI has 501(c)(3) status. Its chief source of income is its Nutrition Action Health Letter, which has about 900,000 subscribers and does not accept corporate advertising.[2][3] The organization receives about 5 to 10 percent of its $17 million annual budget from grants by private foundations.

from wiki.

I just watched it a couple months ago. So, it has been a long time since I watched Supersize Me, but I don't remember it being all about how terrible fat supposedly is. Is that a big focus? The message I got from Supersize Me was just how low quality fast food is. (Also, the part where they went into the public schools to look at lunches basically convinced me that I'm gonna have to homeschool my kids.... I can't believe schools serve kids such junk.) So I guess I felt that Fat Head was making a straw man argument by pitting itself agains Supersize Me. But maybe I need to see Supersize Me again.

In any case, Fat Head did lead me to do a lot more reading up on the lipid hypothesis and stop fearing saturated fat! Also, I have adopted a paleo/primal eating style because of it too (not that it is directly related, but that's what I was led to following the reading I have done subsequent to watching that movie).

It's not BS. Check out the Paleo diet & Primal Blueprint. I live by these plans. Saturated fat is not the enemy, and should not be feared. FAT IS DELICIOUS! Eat some.

Just curious, but what does the Paleo diet have to do with eating fast food all the time? Would Sisson advocate the consumption of fast food on a daily basis?

IMO, what this study showed was that regardless of your diet, health markers will almost always improve when your weight goes down through a calorie deficit combined with exercise.

If you think it was about eating fast food all the time then you didn't watch the same movie. It's WHAT he ate when he ate at fast food restaurants that matters.

Well, he DID eat fast food all the time, and he ate plenty of refined, starchy carbs during the time too. He also tracked calories on a daily basis, did exercises and maintained a rather significant daily calorie deficit.

To put his deficit into perspective, I'm a fairly small person (151 lbs) and only exercise 3-4 times a week. Yet, my daily calorie intake exceeds what he documentary's host ate daily.

He went into the science of why carbs should be reduced or eliminated, but his diet did not support his hypothesis. Just because he didn't eat french fries means nothing. He still ate refined carbs. If he would have included french fries with each meal, he would not have lost weight and his health markers would not have improved because he would no longer have been eating at a deficit.

His point would have held a lot more water if he would have eaten at an excess calorie level and eliminated all starchy carbs.

But of course, that would not have worked because the Taubes hypothesis that insulin response is more important than calories consumed is totally wrong. Mark Sisson and most of the modern Atkins followers acknowledge that calories do matter.

If he had replaced some of the meat with the french fries and even more refined carbs (while staying at a deficit - and by the way he did cut out a LOT of refined and starchy carbs so don't try to make it out like he didn't) he wouldn't have seen the improvements he did in his markers.

If he had replaced some of the meat with the french fries and even more refined carbs (while staying at a deficit - and by the way he did cut out a LOT of refined and starchy carbs so don't try to make it out like he didn't) he wouldn't have seen the improvements he did in his markers.

What is the point of creating all these hypothetical scenarios that will never happen?

Exactly - so you should stop using them instead of solid arguments:

If he would have included french fries with each meal, he would not have lost weight and his health markers would not have improved because he would no longer have been eating at a deficit.

Did you watch Jamie Olivers show about school lunches? Its pretty disgusting.

Yes! Eww. I remember that some of my friends in high school would eat a personal pan pizza, some Little Debbie snack cakes and a soda for lunch EVERY DAY. This was because there was not only the school sanctioned "hot lunch" but also a little Pizza Hut stand in our cafeteria! Of course, the hot lunches weren't a whole lot better. It is just ridiculous what passes for "healthy" in some places.

Well, I can't say that school lunches are ideal but when you see what the schools are up against, they are doing the best they can. We have to go with the lowest bidder for food because God forbid we spend one nickel more than the politicians and public think we should. Also, we have 530 kids registered in my elementary building this year (98% free lunches so the only lunch $ coming in is what the gov. will give) with one cook (making approx min. wage) to feed all the kids in about an hour so whatever is prepared has to be fast. I don't know how she manages to get it all done by herself. The kids are also offered fresh fruit every day and I have seen the trash cans filled with it because the kids throw it away.

Did you watch Jamie Olivers show about school lunches? Its pretty disgusting.

Yes! Eww. I remember that some of my friends in high school would eat a personal pan pizza, some Little Debbie snack cakes and a soda for lunch EVERY DAY. This was because there was not only the school sanctioned "hot lunch" but also a little Pizza Hut stand in our cafeteria! Of course, the hot lunches weren't a whole lot better. It is just ridiculous what passes for "healthy" in some places.

Well, I can't say that school lunches are ideal but when you see what the schools are up against, they are doing the best they can. We have to go with the lowest bidder for food because God forbid we spend one nickel more than the politicians and public think we should. Also, we have 530 kids registered in my elementary building this year (98% free lunches so the only lunch $ coming in is what the gov. will give) with one cook (making approx min. wage) to feed all the kids in about an hour so whatever is prepared has to be fast. I don't know how she manages to get it all done by herself. The kids are also offered fresh fruit every day and I have seen the trash cans filled with it because the kids throw it away.

Interesting. Back when I was in high school (a LONG time ago!), I remember the food being pretty crappy. Pizza, ham and cheese between two hamburger patties, wierd concoctions that I can't even name, etc...all of it felt very processed and just not healthy in general. But in two and a half decades (I just dated myself), it's pretty remarkable how much fatter high school kids have gotten. Having any kind of belly back then was a bit embarrassing. Now it has become the norm.