I don't know how to diet, help
n_green_l
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I am trying to get to 10 stone 6, I'm 5ft 6, 11stone 3 and haven't been able to shift the pounds since Christmas. I haven't been 10 stone 6 for three years.
I am trying the 5:2 but it's making me obsessed with food and I'm already wishing the day away today.
I tried to do 1200 calories a day with normal calorie counting before but end up binging at the weekend because I'm so hungry. I'm working from home so apart from trying to walk lots I would put myself as sedentary. Mfp says I need 1200 calories to lose 2lb a week.
I haven't seen results in over 6 months, I guess I need some motivation. Do I stick with 5:2 or do something else as I'm so fed up!
I am trying the 5:2 but it's making me obsessed with food and I'm already wishing the day away today.
I tried to do 1200 calories a day with normal calorie counting before but end up binging at the weekend because I'm so hungry. I'm working from home so apart from trying to walk lots I would put myself as sedentary. Mfp says I need 1200 calories to lose 2lb a week.
I haven't seen results in over 6 months, I guess I need some motivation. Do I stick with 5:2 or do something else as I'm so fed up!
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You don't have much weight to lose, so your deficit is too extreme. Try calculating your calorie needs to lose half a pound a week, instead.8
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2lb a week is way too aggresive when you are so close to goal weight. It doesn't surprise me that you're hungry and binging at the weekend. Change your goal to 0.5lb a week. Yes, it will take you longer, but look at it this way, you'll actually get there and you won't binge at the weekend because you won't feel like you're starving yourself.
I think most people (myself included when I first joined this site) pick 2lb a week because you want to get there as fast as you can, but its not always appropriate and sometimes sets you up for failure.
If 5:2 isn't working for you. STOP. There's more than one way to achieve your calorie goals. Try just counting your calories, sticking to a small deficit and being patient. Make sure you're being accurate with everything, double check new entries to your diary and weigh/measure everything.
Good luck!13 -
Just to confirm the advice given above:
- you don't have to do 5:2 if you don't want to
- you don't have to eat only 1200 calories to lose weight
Choose a slower rate of loss, eat more on a daily basis (instead of binging on the weekend) and you will get there.
I've lost 40 lbs so far by choosing 0.5lb per week as my weight loss rate, eating well over 1200 calories and generally not feeling deprived/not binging.7 -
Great advice above.
I’d also add that by being close to goal weight and not having a lot to lose, weighing and measuring and logging accurately will be more important than ever. If you haven’t lost weight since Christmas then you’ve probably been eating at maintenance calories since then.
Like stated above, 5:2 IF is just a tool. If it helps you, great. If not then don’t. I’d hate it but that’s just me.
Good luck!4 -
To give you an idea why trying to lose 2 lbs per week is too agressive:
you need to eat 3500 lbs less to lose 1lbs.
If you want to lose 2 lbs per week you need to eat 7000 calories less in a week, or 1000 per day
If you want to lose 1lbs per week you need to eat 3500 calories less in a week, or 500 per day
If you want to lose 0.5 lbs per week you need to eat 1750 calories less in a week, or 250 per day
Now you don't say how old you are or how active. But your body might need 1700-2000 calories of food per day to neither gain or lose weight. Subtract the daily calories from this number to get to the calories you need to eat to reach your goal.
For 2 lbs per week this would be 700-1000 calories of food per day
For 1 lbs per week this would be 1200-1500 calories of food per day
For 0.5 lbs per week this would be 1450-1750 calories of food per day
You see that your goal depends a lot on how much food you get, but also on how fast you can actually lose weight. MFP would never give you less than 1200 calories per day because that's considered to be very unhealthy. Thus 2lbs per week is off the table. 1lbs per week might just about be possible, but you say yourself that you're hungry and miserable, and then start to binge. Thus lose weight slowly, feel good, and actually reach your goal!8 -
Dieting sucks, just plain and simple. Pick a plan that works for you, stick with it for a chunk of time, knowing it’s going to suck. Take a maintenance break, then do it again. I’m at the beginning of my second cut this year, just tying to get some vanity pounds off and yeah. Not fun, but... it doesn’t have to be completely horrible. What works for me is to fill up on high volume foods that I like, eat as many low or no calorie snacks if I need something (Diet Coke, sugar free jello and nonfat whip cream, gum, tea, black coffee or with sweetener). Lots and lots of vegetables, get your protein in first. Meal prep for the whole week. If I go over calories for a meal then it’s not the end of the world but you get back to it, it doesn’t turn into the whole weekend. No alcohol (for me I can’t loose with booze, I go way over calories). I also have 5 meals a day and that keeps me sane, my energy stable, mood good. But yeah, nothing fun about forcing your body to let go of the fat..2
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I do IF. I started 5:2 and at the moment am doing 4:3 and it is working very well for me as I do like a big 800 calorie dinner and I find that really hard to do when I limit my calories every day and in the past it has lead to binging.
Took a bit of getting used to but I have a routine now that works for me and on 600 calorie days I for example have a bowl of porridge, homemade veg miso soup, a yogurt and some crispbreads and cheese spread. I find once it is eaten my brain knows it is not getting any more and shuts up whining although I do drink a lot of water, tea and coffee to fill any gaps.
Then on eating days as I call them, I can have my nice large dinner. And I still calorie count on these days of course.
Finally - when I did 5:2 I found was that I needed to limit my fasting day calories to 500 and could also eat less on the eating days than I do now to make the maths work, but fasting every other day means I can eat more on both days and 600 calories gives me a lot more scope than the 500 did.
Experiment and good luck.1 -
I agree with @Lolalikeslolagets that dieting sucks. That's why I don't do it and prefer losing my weight without dieting.
If I'm not prepared to give up something for life, I'm not going to give it up for a diet that has an end date. The changes you make should be small and gradual, and such that you can stick with them for the rest of your life. Otherwise you'll end up back in square one. This way of losing weight will be slow, but it's much more likely to be permanent, and here's the big question: are you trying to lose weight for some specific timeline, after which you don't care what happens to your weight, or are you trying to lose weight permanently? The answer to that question should give you guidance on whether you want temporary quick fixes or permanent changes. For permanent weight change, permanent habit change needs to also happen.
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Thanks everyone
I want to be at the heaviest 10 stone 6 by September, long term I would like to be 10 stone/10stone 3 but I know that is going to be extremely hard as I havent been that for 10 years. I'm in my thirties.
I don't exercise as much as I'd like, with lockdown I have been struggling to find motivation to exercise at all because I like going to the gym.
I end up in the same old habits, eating well during week and then binging. I am partial to alcohol at the weekend well so I am going to start cutting that down as it throws my diet out the window.
I always thought doing 0.5lb wouldn't work and I wouldn't lose as too many calories, so always did one restrictive diet after another.
What I'm doing now isn't working either, stayed the same for 6 months despite that so think I'm going to give it a go. It says to lose 0.5lb i need 1570 calories, I will set it at 1500 calories and up my exercise again....
Maybe this will be more sustainable and I will actually see results if I'm not binging..9 -
@n_green_l that sounds like a good plan. Also, try to increase your daily activity. Lots of well documented recommendations for adding in things like walking, biking.. I know MFP suggests eating back your exercise calories but that never worked for me. It’s too hard to know exactly what your burning (the calculators are not really accurate). If you aim for 1 pound or 1/2 pound per week and you’re not loosing after two weeks, reduce your calories by a little bit or up your activity. If you’re loosing too fast then add a bit more food in. That whole “it's a lifestyle thing” is such a cliche but it’s true. In order to make it work and stick with it long term it needs to fit your lifestyle or you need to change your lifestyle to make it work long term.. one or the other. Also, one more tip.. give yourself time. Like, give yourself a year, commit to the discipline and then see where you’re at.. you can do it! Good luck!2
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Thanks everyone
I want to be at the heaviest 10 stone 6 by September, long term I would like to be 10 stone/10stone 3 but I know that is going to be extremely hard as I havent been that for 10 years. I'm in my thirties.
I don't exercise as much as I'd like, with lockdown I have been struggling to find motivation to exercise at all because I like going to the gym.
I end up in the same old habits, eating well during week and then binging. I am partial to alcohol at the weekend well so I am going to start cutting that down as it throws my diet out the window.
I always thought doing 0.5lb wouldn't work and I wouldn't lose as too many calories, so always did one restrictive diet after another.
What I'm doing now isn't working either, stayed the same for 6 months despite that so think I'm going to give it a go. It says to lose 0.5lb i need 1570 calories, I will set it at 1500 calories and up my exercise again....
Maybe this will be more sustainable and I will actually see results if I'm not binging..
Honestly, it doesn't need to be "extremely hard", IMO. It takes a level of commitment to the process (i.e. to habits), but not necessarily extreme self-denial and misery.
I'm not writing this to be mean-spirited, sincerely, but rather to paint a different picture of possibilities. You report this:I am trying to get to 10 stone 6, I'm 5ft 6, 11stone 3 and haven't been able to shift the pounds since Christmas. I haven't been 10 stone 6 for three years.
I am trying the 5:2 but it's making me obsessed with food and I'm already wishing the day away today.
I tried to do 1200 calories a day with normal calorie counting before but end up binging at the weekend because I'm so hungry. I'm working from home so apart from trying to walk lots I would put myself as sedentary. Mfp says I need 1200 calories to lose 2lb a week.
I haven't seen results in over 6 months, I guess I need some motivation. Do I stick with 5:2 or do something else as I'm so fed up!
I'm around your height (5'5"), a little lighter (around 9st 2 to 9st 4 lately), but much older (64). I've been calorie counting for a long time, almost 5 years, lost around 50 pounds at age 59-60, maintained but with a little very slow upward drift, then - coincidentally - around 6 months ago, decided to lose a few vanity pounds, very similar to the circumstances you find yourself in.
I do have an advantage you don't: As a very experienced calorie counter, I have a very clear idea what my maintenance calories are (to neither gain nor lose), and counting is no longer time consuming or difficult for me like it was when I first started (takes maybe 10 minutes a day, now - time well invested). That's a huge advantage, but I'll point out that I had to learn and practice to get there.
During the 6 months where you were not losing, depriving, binging, stressing, obsessed with food, I was trying to eat most days around 150-250 calories below maintenance most days, maybe a little lower if I wasn't especially hungry that day, occasionally a little over, sometimes a lot over. (Keep in mind that US Thanksgiving and Christmas were in there, and my birthday was, too. I ate freely some days, and I know how to eat, and enjoy it - zero guilt.) It would be a very rare week when there was no alcohol, but I admit it normally wasn't lots, maybe one or occasionally two at a restaurant meal or social event, once or twice a week.
Over the 6 months, there were times I didn't lose at all, there were times when I lost slowly. As long as no major back-tracking happens, I'm fine with all of that. Most of the time, even when I was losing weight, I wouldn't even have been able to see that it was happening without a weight trending app (I use Libra for Android): No scale reward, just the daily ups and downs slooooowlllly trending lower. Even then, the difference might not show up for multiple weeks.
I'm a rower, so Winter is not my highest exercise season, and stay-at-home orders have extended that level of (in)activity. I'm sedentary outside of exercising, but exercising when I feel like it, though not consistently. (I have practice at estimating my exercise, too, so I can understand how to eat with and without it). I know meals I can eat that are filling, tasty, nutritious, keep me reasonably happy most days without exercise; or, I can eat a little more (or have a extra pint of nice craft beer, or some other indulgence) if I have those extra calories.
It was more about structure and habits, not motivation and discipline. (I totally suck at motivation & discipline. )
Over the past 6 months, my weight trend has gone from the mid/upper 130s pounds (9st 10 to 12 region) to the current 128-130 pound zone (9st 2 to 4). So, I've lost something like 8-10 pounds. It wasn't stressful, it wasn't painful, it didn't suck. I ate the way I like to eat, just a little less, and pretty consistently.
Some people seem to almost enjoy the pain of dieting, as if they romanticize that sense of struggling and fighting toward challenging goals with difficult and noble efforts. I don't like that at all. Don't like struggle. Don't like drama.
As far as the "how to diet" (eating for weight loss), this is what I did to lose the 50-some pounds in the first place, what I did to mostly maintain (with a little up-drift ) for 4+ years afterward, and what I've done for the past 6 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm/p1
Besides that eating plan, I exercise when I feel like it (I often do, because I put a priority on finding ways of being active that I actually enjoy), I calorie bank (eat a little less most days to eat a little more indulgently occasionally), weigh daily first thing in the morning, use my weight trending app, weigh and log my food (most of the time, not 100%, at this point, though it was 100% for the first year or so). For me, it's pretty easy, not very stressful.
As you say, you could maybe consider whether a different approach would work for you. My approach may not be your approach: I think we need to tailor intelligently to our own personalities and preferences. But I'm quite certain that there's another method that's possible, that isn't deprivation, binging, stress, and other unpleasantness.
Best wishes, sincerely!6 -
Don't "diet."
"Dieting" is an attempt to apply a short term, unnatural (for the individual) way of eating to control energy consumption. On the other hand, we each have a diet we follow that results in either weight gain, maintenance or weight loss and affects our health.
With very few exceptions, weight loss, gain and maintenance are simply a question of adjusting one's energy consumption and energy expenditure. Consume more energy that you use and you gain weight. Consume less energy than you use and you lose weight.
For some folks, their diet results in the weight they desire. For others, like me, it results in too much or too little weight. I weigh twice what I ought because I consume much more food than I ought. I consume more energy (calories) than I expend. My habitual diet of many years, quite simply, comprises too much food.
To approach a healthier weight, I must control how many calories I consume. I must consume closer to the amount that will result in a healthier weight. When I do this, I lose weight. When I resume my old habit of eating far more energy than I expend, I continue to be obese. It's as simple as that.
I am not "on a diet." I am attempting to develop food-related habits that will be sustainable through time and that will result in achieving and maintaining a healthy weight. That may mean that I eschew certain foods -- not because they are "bad" for a "person on a diet" but rather because they do not help me to my end goal of eating in a way that results in a healthy weight, is sustaining and is satiating (for me).
I do not fill out the diary every day because I am "on a diet" but rather because my habitual ways of eating are unsuccessful (making me too fat and prone to all the symptoms that result) so I must pay strict attention to my consumption and relearn how to choose and apportion food. Therefore, I rely upon the diary to keep me honest with myself.3 -
I'm going to disagree with @Lolalikeslolagets regarding exercise. As you're walking at the moment, I'd say do enter that as exercise and do eat back at least 75% of the calories. I've found MFP to be accurate on walking / running calories as long as I'm accurate about my speed. I know how fast I typically walk, so I just have to time how long I walk for.
MFP is less accurate when it comes to gym-based exercise, but the calories burned is definitely not zero.
Like a few commenters above, I don't consider myself to have been dieting. I eat pretty much the same as I did before, just smaller portions. I put more veg and less potatoes / rice / pasta on my plate, but essentially I'm making the same meals. I can carry on doing that for the rest of my life, whereas I couldn't imagine a lifetime of restricting myself in any way.0 -
I'm also 5'6"... and started at 11 st 2 (156 lb) and am now 137 lb (9 st 11?).
When I was 156 I lost weight fine eating 1650 calories a day, plus eating back 50% of the mfp database exercise.
Now im eating 1500 a day plus exercise and still losing.
If 1200 is too low and you're hungry enough to binge, raise it up! Slow loss is better than no loss.
My bmr is 1400 at my current weight and I refuse to ever eat less than my bmr.
My maintenance calories are closer to 2100 than 2000 for my desired weight though. So you might have a little bit of different calorie needs than me still. No idea how our age and body type compare.
Other tips... if youre still hungry after raising your calories, check how much protein, fat and fibre you are eating. If those are too low it might be making you hungrier sooner.1
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