What the hell is keto
jordanconroy23
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Not dissing it just don’t get it??
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True KETO is severe restriction of Carbs (25 grams or less a day) with upping Fats and Protein instead. If you ask me, very unsustainable way to lose weight or keep weight off in the long run.11
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jordanconroy23 wrote: »Not dissing it just don’t get it??
Keto is a medical diet intended to treat epilepsy, but has also shown to help manage diabetes. The short version, consume high fat, medium protein, low carb, to trigger ketosis (metabolization of fat stores for energy instead of glucose reliance from food).6 -
I'll add to the metabolize fat stores comment because most jumping on the bandwagon of it because of reports of big weight loss fast (water weight) also don't understand what is going on in the first place, and will comment it allows them to burn fat - as if they weren't before.
Body is burning fat as energy source for vast period of the day anyway, except for brain that is using blood sugar.
Except after a meal when insulin goes up when you burn what you ate (or store carbs or shuttle off amino acids where they are needed) until it drops in 1-4 hrs. (that changes in ketosis since little to no insulin increase)
And when an activity gets intense enough fat stores isn't fast enough so blood glucose is used, or glycogen stores in liver/muscles. (that aspect remains in ketosis)
Ketosis just causes mainly the brain to metabolize ketones instead of glucose, due to improved mitochondria functioning to use them, and many other cells make those improvements too in order to use them better.
Those come from fat, so around 300-400 cal burn from fat instead of carbs.
As diet studies have shown keeping all else equal - that all comes out in the wash either way.
So for many doing it that stick to it - perhaps they had insulin problems (over-reaction) and it keeps off the low blood sugar drop cravings.
Or it makes them feel satiated and may not have to count calories.
But many on the diet have proved you can still eat too much and gain/keep overweight.
As to why you may hear so much about it to not get why you are - fast water weight drop initially (which will come back when you go off it), and may help people not eat as much without even counting calories.
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jordanconroy, if you ever want to eat a cookie again, run far and fast in the other direction.
I don't get it either. I mean, I know how it works I just think it tastes like disappointment.22 -
cmriverside wrote: »jordanconroy, if you ever want to eat a cookie again, run far and fast in the other direction.
I don't get it either. I mean, I know how it works I just think it tastes like disappointment.
No cookie here, but they can pry my fruit from my cold dead hands!🤨5 -
I am one who is Keto ....I am type 2 diabetic and have high blood pressure ..... my goal is to lose weight but more importantly to get off all my meds ....food taste great instead of having potatoes, pasta or rice I have a salad with meat ..plus it helps to have a few cookbooks that gear towards keto ...win for win for me
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It's a rebranding of Atkins. What is old is new again.
That being said, if it works for people then kudos.3 -
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"Keto" as currently popular for weight loss or maintenance and appetite control is MUCH more like Atkins (it's basically the old first phase of Atkins, I think) than the diet for seizure control.
The "classic keto" diet for seizure control is very strict: around 90% fat, 10% from protein and carbs together. It's typically 4:1 fat for most children who are prescribed it (so 160 g fat: 40 g carbs + protein for a 1600 cal diet). Clearly, that's not the keto diet as most are doing it. Instead, it's just very low carb -- Atkins.
https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/treating-seizures-and-epilepsy/dietary-therapies/ketogenic-diet#:~:text=the ketogenic diet?-,The "classic" ketogenic diet is a special high-fat,do not respond to medications.7 -
eating keto or ketogenic is not the same as Low Carb or 'Atkins'. they are two different macro distributions. and two different ways of eating. however, eating low carb or atkins will cause 'ketosis' as long as your carb count is under what your own body needs to get into ketosis. for some that is as much as 150 grams/carb per day. for others its lower than 50. for me, its under 40 per day. i have been eating either ketogenic or low carb since 2010 and i enjoy eating this way and find it sustainable for me. i also have PCOS so i am insulin resistant and i have learned this is how i have to eat to maintain a healthy weight. i lost 126 pounds by the end of 2010 (took about 11 months) and have maintained that + or - 15 pounds eating this way. eating this way also helps with my energy and clarity. i do have carbs sometimes so its not like i haven't had birthday cake or a bagel in 19 years, but its scheduled. and i usually feel crappy after and regret it even though i enjoy the treat in the moment i am eating it.7
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cmriverside wrote: »jordanconroy, if you ever want to eat a cookie again, run far and fast in the other direction.
I don't get it either. I mean, I know how it works I just think it tastes like disappointment.
Just saying, this is 100% keto friendly.
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nighthawk584 wrote: »True KETO is severe restriction of Carbs (25 grams or less a day) with upping Fats and Protein instead. If you ask me, very unsustainable way to lose weight or keep weight off in the long run.
To point out, you do not need to restrict carbs that low. Most people can get into ketosis at under 50g a day. And it will vary depending on size, NEAT and other activities. People like endurance athletes can stay into ketosis even at 200g a day.
@heybales summed it up though.3 -
A dietitian told me not many people practice true Keto.
Basically lots of protein and fat and not a lot of carbs. I could never do this diet, fats don't like my stomach at all0 -
I am trying it for the first time. I have a sedentary job and work out about 2.5 hours per week. The initial weight loss was water weight. I have not lost any weight for the last 2 weeks but have lost inches. The best part is that it keeps me full. I eat food that I enjoy and it has helped me kick my sugar habit. I was a sugar addict. I don't think it works for everyone because it depends on your lifestyle and taste buds.3
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I tried keto 2 years ago for almost 1 full year. This is my personal experience.
I lost ~40 lbs on the high fat, moderate protein, low carb keto.
Pros:- I always felt really full, like I never was "snacky"
- I was probably the most aware I have ever been of proper hydration including electrolytes
- My skin was clear for the first time ever, even better vs when I did accutane
- My hair and nails grew really fast and were strong
- energy boost
Cons:- keto flu- wow the migraines it would give me if I didnt get proper electrolytes or "cheated" was insanity
- low electrolytes= very very low energy
- very restrictive- my husband and I like to travel pre covid times. It was really hard to stay keto or else suffer the flu if I went off plan on trips. I really had to plan out where we would eat and research the menu- which if you love to travel isnt the easiest or necessarily the funnest.
- it didnt really cure my poor eating habits- instead I just made/bought keto friendly convenience food
- It made me eat less veggies- I'd have better losses if I just stuck with cauliflower or broccoli
- You really cant have much fruit (which to me was rough, I love fresh summer fruit)
It really is an individual preference. Bottom line for me is that it wasnt sustainable. The moment I went off plan when we went to vegas, I never went back on it. I enjoy having more self control and learning proper nutrition while largely being able to eat what I please.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
I love when these guys try diets. Their videos are good1 -
My husband and I have an "unwashed keto" meal plan. ("Dirty keto" has a meat-based and fat-based diet.)
We have berries, peanut butter, milk, nuts, cheese, tomatoes, and whole-wheat pasta. It's better than it sounds (we have a whole wheat lasagna single noodle in our lasagna). Of course, I made low-carb bread and pancakes. Low carbs in moderation! You can't be chowing down on 6 low-carb breads slathered in peanut butter and whole milk. You must have 20-40g (or whatever).
You must have salad or significant vegetables in your meals. That's to keep you regular. Propel, a Gatorade product, is what I used to keep the electrolytes up or I might have "keto flu". That lactic acid in my calves and abs hurts like a ... !
It's what you make of it. I lost 30 lbs and A1c 8% went down 5.3% (it's normal).
Joseph's flax lavash bread is 6g a sheet! I'll roll you some pinwheels!
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