So, feeling hungry isn't right - is that right?
JessBbody
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I feel ignorant for even asking.
I've successfully lost a significant amount of weight several times in the past, and I never felt hungry, even when I was measuring my food.
Since I started logging my calories about five days ago, I've been making sure to eat under my daily allowance. I usually eat back the calories I burn.
I'm 155 and my goal is set up to lose 1/2 lb a week until I reach 135. I'm supposed to be eating around 1720 cals a day (before exercise).
I'm doing about 30 minutes of cardio a day 5 days a week. I also did abs and a strength training video last week.
The point is, I've been hungry almost all day for the past 3 days or so. The only time I feel normal is right after I've eaten. I feel like I'm getting more calories from the headache medicine I'm taking than the food itself.
Hyperbole aside, logging my calories has made me aware that I was eating way more than 2,000 cals a day maintaining.
I'm a naturally muscular girl. My legs are strong and I build muscle pretty quickly. I'm wondering if my lean muscle mass is high enough that I should be eating more calories.
So far here I've read that some people expect to feel hungry in a calorie deficit, but I've also read that feeling hungry can be dangerous - how, I don't understand.
So maybe what I need is some ideas to prevent hunger. I know I'm not a volume eater because I'm not gorging on vegetables, but I think maybe I should be.
What are the dangers of hunger, and what would you recommend to someone who doesn't feel full in a calorie deficit?
Thank you.
I've successfully lost a significant amount of weight several times in the past, and I never felt hungry, even when I was measuring my food.
Since I started logging my calories about five days ago, I've been making sure to eat under my daily allowance. I usually eat back the calories I burn.
I'm 155 and my goal is set up to lose 1/2 lb a week until I reach 135. I'm supposed to be eating around 1720 cals a day (before exercise).
I'm doing about 30 minutes of cardio a day 5 days a week. I also did abs and a strength training video last week.
The point is, I've been hungry almost all day for the past 3 days or so. The only time I feel normal is right after I've eaten. I feel like I'm getting more calories from the headache medicine I'm taking than the food itself.
Hyperbole aside, logging my calories has made me aware that I was eating way more than 2,000 cals a day maintaining.
I'm a naturally muscular girl. My legs are strong and I build muscle pretty quickly. I'm wondering if my lean muscle mass is high enough that I should be eating more calories.
So far here I've read that some people expect to feel hungry in a calorie deficit, but I've also read that feeling hungry can be dangerous - how, I don't understand.
So maybe what I need is some ideas to prevent hunger. I know I'm not a volume eater because I'm not gorging on vegetables, but I think maybe I should be.
What are the dangers of hunger, and what would you recommend to someone who doesn't feel full in a calorie deficit?
Thank you.
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Can you please make your food diary public?
I've noticed that on days where I eat mostly carbs I don't feel as full. Compared to the days where I eat more protein.
How much under your calorie allowance are you eating?4 -
Can you please make your food diary public?
I've noticed that on days where I eat mostly carbs I don't feel as full. Compared to the days where I eat more protein.
How much under your calorie allowance are you eating?
I made my food diary public. I think my problem is that I'm eating too much fat and not enough good carbs?
Some days I've eaten 100 or 300 less, one day I went over. I've been logging since Friday. Thanks for looking!2 -
First things first. Everyone feels very hungry the first week of a diet. We're just used to eating more food than we're suddenly getting. You have to give it at least a few weeks before getting concerned about this.
Now, as to your question, you'll get much better and more detailed comments from others, but I do have one little insight for you from my 16 months of dieting. I started at 320 lbs, am now at 240, and am in the middle of a month off, which may actually become 2 months off, because I'm really enjoying the time-out and, so far, haven't been gaining, so I feel little need to jump right back on the bandwagon.
Anyway, i you eat at a calorie deficit you ARE going to be hungry sometimes. Whether you eat pasta or chocolate cake, or piles of vegetables, whether you try to engineer your macros or completely ignore them, feeling hungry is part of being in a calorie deficit. You are literally feeding your body less than it needs to maintain its weight, and it has an entire arsenal of hormones and other subsystems which evolved over millions of years to use internal signaling to push you to eat. That's what "hunger" is.
What you DO have control over is how you respond to the hunger signals. It took me a long time to figure this out, but, and here is my little, two-bit insight: "It's OK to be hungry". Not every hunger pang needs to be responded to, and as you get your brain and body to accept that its various signals will not be rewarded with food, they will stop whining so much.
In my case I started intermittent fasting, which I am not necessarily recommending here, just noting that in my case it helped a lot. The 16 hrs per day - later 17 - that I go completely without food of any kind forced me to come to terms with feelings of hunger and cravings, which were kinda brutal for a few weeks but then quieted down and after around 6 weeks all but stopped. I learned that, at least for me, the body stops bothering to nag for food when no food is forthcoming. Or perhaps more accurately, the mind gets better at just ignoring the nags; maybe they're still there, below the level of active awareness, I don't know. I rarely feel hungry anymore, even during my 17 hour fasts, which take place 29 days a month. In fact I'm less hungry during fasting times than feeding times.
All's I'm saying is, tough out the hunger for a few weeks, never give in, even a little, and you may surprise yourself in suddenly barely even noticing that you're hungry in a few weeks, or a month. At that point, sticking with a moderate/mild calorie deficit will become easy.19 -
Thank you @igfrie . after some of the things I had read here, I thought hunger wasn't normal.
I've never allowed myself to be hungry before, until now. I've always given in to every hunger pang. It's just a strange experience for me to be hungry. I thought maybe there was some way I could cheat the system, like by eating huge quantities of spinach or zucchini. I'm going to try to not let it bother me so much.4 -
I'm going to have to disagree a bit with igrie about feeling hungry. You don't need to feel stuffed to the gills, but you shouldn't be hungry all day every day - this is the quickest way to have a 'diet' fail.
There is a difference between actually being hungry, and just feeling like you could eat if food was offered. If a big plate of vegetables sounds good, chances are you are hungry - if only a brownie sounds good, chances are you are just craving food. Cravings need to be managed, but hunger can be fulfilled.
You can certainly make your calories work for you (it's not cheating!) by swapping calorie-dense items for low-calorie options; such as vegetables, popcorn, or swapping for lower calorie alternatives (the real MVP is sour-cream-substitute greek yogurt!). A lot of people on low calorie budgets (relative to, say a 6ft man) use high-volume foods to stretch every calorie out. It's a "value for money" approach.
If you simply create a deficit by eating the exact same way you did before, but eat less, then chances are you won't be getting the volume of food you are used to, therefore will feel hungry. If this is what is sustainable for you mentally, then go ahead but you will have to readjust your expectations on how full you will feel.
Most people go for a 'middle of the road' approach, swapping some higher-value items for lower-value items, but still keeping the 'fun' foods. This is the approach I take, and it means i'm never hungry (except when it's actually time to eat), but i'm also never gorging on food.
A quick look at your diary shows one day (20 Sept) you ate roughly 300 calories from (what looks like) 4 dates and 300 calories in olive oil - you could have swapped that for two more sandwiches! A lot of your other days are quick-ads so it's hard to judge if this is typical for you.
Lastly, if you are using a food scale and are logging accurately, your rate of loss may be too aggressive for your goal depending on your body stats. If you start losing too rapidly, your CO might be higher than MFP can predict and you may need to up your calories again.19 -
Great post from KateTii there. I agree- and also I've lost weight without starving myself. I get hungry sometimes, but that's normal I think - I don't ignore it though, I'll eat something small. If I get too hungry I'm much more likely to binge. For me, not getting hungry has been important part of losing weight. As Kate said, that's not the same as looking in the cupboards wondering what you can eat though!4
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I reckon, looking at your diary, you could do with a bit more "filler". Vegetables, salad, carrot sticks, snacking tomatoes.
Personally I don't like feeling hungry but I am accepting a little rumble if I know lunch is coming up in an hour.5 -
I agree with those who say that you don't need to be hungry and that you may need to look at your food balance. Apart from the "what does 100g look like?" photos, which I found quite enlightening as to food bulk (see here: https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/nutrition/weight/what-does-100-calories-look-like), I had a real epiphany when I realised that 1g fat = 9 kcals whilst 1g of carbs or protein = 4 kcals. So you can eat more than twice as many grams of carbs and protein than fat for the same calorie value.
Looking at my macros (thank you for the pie-chart mfp!), I then realised that on most days, while my protein was fine at ca. 20%, roughly 40-42% of my calories were generally coming from fats, and around 40% from carbs. Over the past few weeks, I've been working on upping my carbs to be in the recommended range of 45-65% (normally 45-50%) and reducing my calories to 25-35% (normally 30-35%). Although I miss my cheese, I am finding that I feel more energised and less hungry. For me this is a new development. When I was losing weight 4-5 years ago, I didn't worry about the macros (except trying not to eat only carbs), felt fine and lost steadily.
Because of my work pattern, I might have to have a late lunch in which case I would still feel hungry in the middle of the day, but that's a missed-meal hunger rather than a not-enough-food-in-general hunger, if you see what I mean.2 -
It's natural as your body adjusts. For the first week I was constantly hungry. By the second week I was good.2
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The first thing that jumped out at me was “headache medicine”. I just had the curious experience of suffering intense hunger pangs that woke me up several nights in a row.
In two years of this, I’ve never had a hunger pang, so it immediately struck me something wasn’t right and that it wasn’t hunger.
The only thing different recently was that nine days earlier, I started taking two Alleve every night before bed.
Another lifter at my gym, who is an orthopedic surgeon, says that Alleve (and I would assume some other similar painkillers?) builds up in your system and does not flush out. He said I was probably really suffering from gastric distress masquerading as hunger pangs.
I stopped the nightly Alleve, and the hunger pangs stopped immediately.
Won’t help you, but for muscle and joint paint he suggested a topical version of Alleve called Voltarin (sp?). The topical won’t build up like an oral would.
Anyway, hunger isn’t always hunger.
And don’t forget, dehydration can also present as hunger. Have a glass of water!
Increased protein (and or fat, for some people) helps me with hunger, too.4 -
There is being hungry and being STARVING. The first few weeks it is an adjustment and being somewhat hungry at times is pretty normal as your body adjusts to the new food intake. It is not as normal if you are STARVING all day, that is a sign something needs adjusted.
1700 calories plus exercise calories should be enough to keep you from starving and I would guess after the adjustment period y won’t be hungry as much either.
I also agree with other posters in that you need to check out how you are “spending” your calories. It is fairly easy to make an adjustment from ground beef to ground turkey to lower your calories for the same amount of food. I use a low-carb tortilla for my sandwiches that is 80 calories and that saves me another 70-80 from a second piece of bread. I still eat chips most days but I found Goldfish crackers give me more crunch and hand to mouth action that my brain craves for the same amount of calories. So play around with your meals to see if that helps with the hunger.
Also, make sure you are drinking water. Hunger pains are often a sign of being thirsty.3 -
When I'm losing I do get hungry quickly (within a few hours after eating usually) so I've found that trying to space out things to eat throughout the day has helped me tremendously. So I'll eat breakfast and be pretty hungry by the time lunch rolls around. After lunch I will usually save a piece of fruit to eat a few hours later. I get home form work late in the evenings (8:00-9:00PM) so I will keep another snack handy for late afternoon/early evening (nuts, cheese, etc). So that way I'm having a little something every few hours so I never get too hungry.
Once you've done this for a while you'll learn your patterns and find ways to cope with them, whether it be a snack, cup of coffee, etc. You'll find a method that works, but that first week or two can be tough trying to break your body in to the new routine. Just power through and keep on going! You've got this!4 -
I’m also on team no hunger. Being hungry isn’t sustainable for me. Being hungry before a meal? Sure. But just accepting that I’m going to be hungry? No. That makes me angry, resentful and likely to binge.
I’m satisfied by a volume of food. The number of calories in that amount of food is irrelevant to whether or not I’m hungry before/after that meal. Meaning-I can consume well over my TDEE in a meal and still be hungry or well under and be satisfied. A calorie deficit has nothing to do with it.
For me to not be hungry, I tend to eat a lot of low calorie/high volume foods (vegetables, salads) and a good chunk of fiber (veggies and things like beans/lentils). I’m not one who finds protein and fat filling (but many do).
I also save a few calories each day and “bank” them so I have more freedom one day a week. I typically have oatmeal for breakfast as I find that very filling. I happen to enjoy donuts but they aren’t very filling. If I had a donut for breakfast (same calories as my oatmeal), I would be ravenous an hour later. Doing that isn’t really sustainable for me. So I save some calories Each day and one day a week I’ll have a donut for enjoyment and some oatmeal so I don’t end up gnawing off my arm before lunch.
Hunger isn’t necessary. You don’t need to be hungry or accept hunger as part of the process. You do need to accept that if you want to avoid being hungry, you’ll need to experiment with food and food timing to find what helps keep you from being hungry.
There is a thread in the food section with thousands of ideas from “volume eaters” (people who need a certain volume of food to feel satisfied) of various ways they are eating a greater volume of food for fewer calories. That might give you some ideas to start?5 -
Hunger is very normal at the beginning of a diet for many people. I've found that slowly decreasing my calories from maintenance to my deficit goal helps with those initial hunger signals. Knocking off 100 calories every day or two is less obnoxious and headache-inducing than going straight to 500 less, but it does take away some of the excitement of diving right in and making big life changes and whatever. Also, drink a ton of water.
If you've been at it for a month and you're still all kinds of hangry, you need to re-evaluate what foods you're choosing to make more satiating choices. Look at your macro ratio, food volume, fiber intake, types of carbs, meal timing, etc. and tweak until you start feeling better.2 -
I personally only feel hungry as I am approaching a meal. I knew perfectly well if I was starving all the time I wasn't going to stick this out. I eat enough to power my body and keep me satiated. It makes sticking to the weightloss track easy for me.1
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Hunger as you approach a meal is ok, but not so much you fixate on it or can't wait until the next meal.4
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Averages are just that. Averages.
What stands out to me is headache and constant hunger.
You only have a little to lose.
There's no rule to say that your maintenance cannot be well over 2K Calories.
Only longer term logging and comparing expectations to weight trend results can tell you what your "real" calories are.
If you're intensely hungry when not starting from a position of a lot of weight to lose for health reasons... I would reconsider what I'm doing and slow down.
There are worse things than ending up eating at maintenance and not achieving weight loss right away.
Also don't forget to account for and differentiate between one time weigh ins and longer term weight trend changes.
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There is being hungry and being STARVING. The first few weeks it is an adjustment and being somewhat hungry at times is pretty normal as your body adjusts to the new food intake. It is not as normal if you are STARVING all day, that is a sign something needs adjusted.
1700 calories plus exercise calories should be enough to keep you from starving and I would guess after the adjustment period y won’t be hungry as much either.
I also agree with other posters in that you need to check out how you are “spending” your calories. It is fairly easy to make an adjustment from ground beef to ground turkey to lower your calories for the same amount of food. I use a low-carb tortilla for my sandwiches that is 80 calories and that saves me another 70-80 from a second piece of bread. I still eat chips most days but I found Goldfish crackers give me more crunch and hand to mouth action that my brain craves for the same amount of calories. So play around with your meals to see if that helps with the hunger.
Also, make sure you are drinking water. Hunger pains are often a sign of being thirsty.
The bolded is a pet peeve of mine. At my grocery store, ground beef comes in 75%, 80%, 85%, 90%, 93% and 97% Lean. The leaner you go, the pricier, generally.
Ground turkey comes in 85%, 93% and 98% Lean.
If you compare the meats of equivalent leanness, the calories and macros are pretty much identical.
Eat the one that tastes better to you and you can afford. I can stomach ground turkey in some casseroles, but am not a fan in meat sauce, tacos, burgers, etc...
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I kind of have the opposite problem, I am so full! The goal for my macro's are 30% Carb, 30% Protein and 40% Fat. I've only been on MFP for about two weeks. I think I exceeded my calories once. One day I was warned that I under ate so much that there would be no blog post for me! I struggle to eat enough protein, and find that I usually exceed carbs. Maybe increasing your fat intake will make you feel full like it has for me.1
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I feel ignorant for even asking.
I've successfully lost a significant amount of weight several times in the past, and I never felt hungry, even when I was measuring my food.
Since I started logging my calories about five days ago, I've been making sure to eat under my daily allowance. I usually eat back the calories I burn.
I'm 155 and my goal is set up to lose 1/2 lb a week until I reach 135. I'm supposed to be eating around 1720 cals a day (before exercise)...
I took a look at your food diary and a few things jumped right out at me:
Eating RIGHT under your calorie allowance is fine but I see a bunch of days when you were around 200 calories under, and one day where you were 463 calories under. (That day you also only logged 31 grams of protein. Many people (but not all) find protein helps with hunger.)
Not sure if you are doing this because of exercise calories, but a better approach might be to decide you are going to eat X % of your exercise calories and then come darn close to eating 100% of your calories.
I also suggest you swap Sugar or Sodium for Fiber and make sure you hit or exceed your Fiber goal every day.
This represents my thinking as well:IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Hunger as you approach a meal is ok, but not so much you fixate on it or can't wait until the next meal.
(with the caveat that sometimes we mistake hunger for other things, like thirst, which is certainly true for me in the AM.)6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I feel ignorant for even asking.
I've successfully lost a significant amount of weight several times in the past, and I never felt hungry, even when I was measuring my food.
Since I started logging my calories about five days ago, I've been making sure to eat under my daily allowance. I usually eat back the calories I burn.
I'm 155 and my goal is set up to lose 1/2 lb a week until I reach 135. I'm supposed to be eating around 1720 cals a day (before exercise)...
I took a look at your food diary and a few things jumped right out at me:
Eating RIGHT under your calorie allowance is fine but I see a bunch of days when you were around 200 calories under, and one day where you were 463 calories under. (That day you also only logged 31 grams of protein. Many people (but not all) find protein helps with hunger.)
Not sure if you are doing this because of exercise calories, but a better approach might be to decide you are going to eat X % of your exercise calories and then come darn close to eating 100% of your calories.
I also suggest you swap Sugar or Sodium for Fiber and make sure you hit or exceed your Fiber goal every day.
This represents my thinking as well:IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Hunger as you approach a meal is ok, but not so much you fixate on it or can't wait until the next meal.
(with the caveat that sometimes we mistake hunger for other things, like thirst, which is certainly true for me in the AM.)
Thank you for looking at my food diary. Now that I'm looking at it, you're right, I may be under eating by a couple hundred calories.
I think I should eat a larger percentage of my exercise calories. I think the amount of hunger I'm having is more than the usual first week of the diet hunger, and I just have this feeling like it's not good for me.
Like @Duck_Puddle said above, I need to look into this volume eating thing.3 -
Just another thing to think about:
At certain times in the month I am hungrier than others. Sometimes I just have days where I could eat everything and still be feeling starving (I know this, because that's what I used to do). If you are someone who menstruates, hunger can change with your cycle.
Personally I'm in the camp of "it's okay to be hungry occasionally". If for one day I'm just hungry and then I'm feeling better the next, that's fine. But if it continues for days and days, then we're looking at needing to change something. Whether it's upping calories or changing where those calories come from.0 -
Thank you for this post! I’ve gained a lot of insight because I thought I was the only one. ☺️2
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