I’m not understanding MFP’s ‘goals’?
sndral
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66 year old female, 5’6”, very small frame, currently 138 lbs.. When I started seriously logging food 11 weeks ago I entered my numbers and MFP set my calories at 1200 (which I believe is the default lowest recommended for women.) 1200 has worked fine for me, I’m not hungry, I’m down from 154.9 - so around 1.5 lbs. per week. But, not wanting to sabotage myself, I thought I’d try to up my calories and slow the loss as I get closer to goal (arbitrarily set at 125 lbs. - it could be 130, I’ll see how I feel if/when I get there.) I tried lowering my weight loss goal and MFP still gave me 1200 calories for a .9 lb. loss per week. Then I tried entering my current weight as 125 to see what maintenance calories would be, but MFP keeps the calories at 1200 and says I’d lose .7 lbs per week - I must be doing something wrong w/ the calculator, since it keeps that 1200 calorie number and keeps me losing weight after I hit ‘goal’ weight?
Also any thoughts on next steps or other resources would be appreciated. I’m happy w/ what I’m doing under the current circumstances and my progress. I walk 18000+ leisurely steps a day logged by my Garmin, and do 45 minutes of balance/strength exercises 3X per week (Gyms are still closed here.) Once Gyms open again here I’ll want to abandon my home exercises and do weight machines to increase my strength/fitness.
I do not ‘eat back’ my exercise calories, since my steps and home workout routine aren’t very strenuous.
Also any thoughts on next steps or other resources would be appreciated. I’m happy w/ what I’m doing under the current circumstances and my progress. I walk 18000+ leisurely steps a day logged by my Garmin, and do 45 minutes of balance/strength exercises 3X per week (Gyms are still closed here.) Once Gyms open again here I’ll want to abandon my home exercises and do weight machines to increase my strength/fitness.
I do not ‘eat back’ my exercise calories, since my steps and home workout routine aren’t very strenuous.
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It doesn't stop having you lose when you hit goal, you have to re-input goals to say you are at maintenance/want 0 lbs lost per week.
It's giving you 1200 because at your current weight/activity input it figures you would lose no more than 0.9 lb/week without exercise. If you had a goal of 0.5 lb/week, it would give you a few more cals.
18000 steps is not sedentary (it would likely count as active), so that is why you are losing much more than MFP predicted, and the MFP method assumes that you will eat back exercise (you could keep not eating back exercise but adjust the activity setting to active from whatever it is now (presumably sedentary or lightly active)).6 -
@lemurcat2 Thank you! That worked, I should have scrolled down a bit further2
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Part of the problem is your age. At age 63 MFP says I need 1400 calories to maintain my weight (122 lbs.) as a mostly sedentary female, so when I was losing weight, no matter what I put in for goal (1 lb. or .5 lb.) it told me to aim for 1200 calories. Since I do log all my exercise and eat back the calories I was able to eat more than 1200, fortunately or I wouldn't have been able to stick with it for very long. Also, my metabolism is a bit faster than the average woman my age, so I lost weight fairly easily. If I weren't exercising, it would have been a very slow process.
18,000 steps is about 9 miles of walking, even if you aren't walking briskly, so you really should be eating back some of those calories.2 -
So 1200 calories was your base goal with being the Sedentary you likely selected.
And with no exercise being done.
But you are not sedentary.
And you do exercise.
So you should have never been eating 1200 calories if using MFP correctly.
The 1.5 lbs weekly was likely reasonable when you had over 30 lbs to healthy weight to lose.
As older woman the ease by which you could lose muscle mass with too aggressive a diet is very bad.
Suggest you please back off the deficit if really down to last 12-13 lbs to only 1/2 lb weekly, 250 defecit.
And if you have Garmin linked and syncing your daily eating goal would have gone up correctly as you did more.
If not linked and syncing, then get your activity level off Sedentary you are not, and 18K steps is probably enough distance you are Active.
With that set honestly, the 45 min x 3 balance/strength won't be as bad a hit if you don't log it.
How many calories burned daily does Garmin Connect say you average in say last 2-4 weeks?0 -
So 1200 calories was your base goal with being the Sedentary you likely selected.
And with no exercise being done.
But you are not sedentary.
And you do exercise.
So you should have never been eating 1200 calories if using MFP correctly.
The 1.5 lbs weekly was likely reasonable when you had over 30 lbs to healthy weight to lose.
As older woman the ease by which you could lose muscle mass with too aggressive a diet is very bad.
Suggest you please back off the deficit if really down to last 12-13 lbs to only 1/2 lb weekly, 250 defecit.
And if you have Garmin linked and syncing your daily eating goal would have gone up correctly as you did more.
If not linked and syncing, then get your activity level off Sedentary you are not, and 18K steps is probably enough distance you are Active.
With that set honestly, the 45 min x 3 balance/strength won't be as bad a hit if you don't log it.
How many calories burned daily does Garmin Connect say you average in say last 2-4 weeks?
Garmin & MFP are linked and syncing and yes the calories go up, I just haven’t been eating them since I’ve not been hungry. I do manually enter my 3X week exercise in Garmin activities to keep track of it.
I selected lightly active when I started, I was doing 12,000 steps then, so I figured I wasn’t sedentary and I had just started the home exercises. I figured active was for runners and bikers, which I’m not, I hike around 6000 steps in the hills 4X per week w/ a couple of 4 yr. olds, and the rest are steps along a level stretch of ocean where I pause whenever I spot an interesting plant or critter. I upped my steps goal to 18,000 mid Sept. when I noticed I was walking about that much anyway. In looking through my actual steps since then, I’m almost always getting at least 19,000 - 20,000 steps.
I looked at the last 4 weeks and averaged my Garmin daily active calories for the weeks ending:
11/22 - 768 average, range 555-1075
11/15 - 754 average, range 635-1119
11/8 - 872 average, range 644-1197
11/1 - 756 average, range 670-913
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So it's a common mistake to think the MFP activity levels have something to do with exercise - they do not at all - hence the reason exercise is added when actually done.
That level of steps outside of exercise would indicate if you did not sync with Garmin - you would honestly be selecting Very Active, yes, the top level for that much movement.
With it synced MFP is attempting to correct itself to Garmin, if you kept trusting MFP anyway as you seem to on one level.
That 18K steps was my 10 mile run on Sat.
How much distance are you getting?
And you don't think that counts?
Those extra calories in the Exercise Diary are NOT exercise - merely the difference between what MFP thought you'd burn by your incorrectly guessed activity level - and what Garmin reports you are burning. In your case little to none are exercise, but rather daily movement - and you burn extra calories doing that.
Garmin Active Calories is not calories burned daily.
You can't figure out how much deficit you in theory have by using Active calories.
Total Calories Burned is the figure.
Now with that many steps, calories based on the distance moved means accuracy of your stride length is much more important.
Be very concerned you are not hungry doing that much - that's a bad thing, means your body is likely adapting in all kinds of wrong ways to attempt to stop the craziness.
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Total Calories Burned is the figure.
Now with that many steps, calories based on the distance moved means accuracy of your stride length is much more important.
Be very concerned you are not hungry doing that much - that's a bad thing, means your body is likely adapting in all kinds of wrong ways to attempt to stop the craziness.
I think I’ve figured out where my total calories burned are on the Garmin App, subtracting out the active calories from ‘calories’ gives me a BMR currently of 1445, last week when I was 1.8 lbs. heavier (I weigh 1X per week) my BMR was 1453. So I guess how accurate it is depends on whether my body in fact uses 1445 calories and whether the added calories I burn from steps/exercise are correctly measured. Maybe I’ll do a ‘deep dive’ into my numbers and see how much I lost per week v. Garmin’s calorie numbers to get a rough idea of how close Garmin’s estimates are to my real results.
It looks like Garmin gave me 9.01 miles for 19,395 steps, for 18,378 steps it was 8.56 miles, for 21,959 it was 10.21 miles, for 25,243 it was 11.73 miles.
I’m upping my calorie intake this week & I’ll see how that plays out energy wise & on the scale next Sat..
My body had to suffer years of a very high stress job and that was craziness, since I retired over a year ago I feel physically so much better!
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Calories is the figure you want. No need to do any math. Website calls it what I called it - was staring right at it when I typed it in.
You lose fat weight by eating less than you burn. That simple.
You need an idea of what you burn - in total. Not just the active calories, not just your BMR (which is Basal Metabolism, or sleep calorie burn rate), both those by themselves are not useful.
You need an idea of what you eat - in total. Not just for breakfast, not just for snacks.
If you are going to do some math - you'll need the correct numbers and understand them.
Great plan though if you have decently accurate food logging, probably 4 weeks worth of data minimum.
You will gain scale weight eating more - your body has probably been itching to store more glycogen in the muscles - that stores with water.
It's part of the big weight drop in 1st week people start a diet. And then it's regained when they eat more.
Suggest just 200 cal more daily for a week or two if that much to adjust by.
Now - you may have energy level go up in ways you've never noticed when it went lower, so your daily burn may go up beyond what any device on you could discern and estimate.
So you are getting some massive distance from those steps daily. Well beyond MFP Activity Levels.
Accurate or not would depend on testing on a known distance track, like walking a known 1/2 to 1 mile.
Start a workout at the start, end it when done - now you'll know steps for a known distance.
It should be at a middle daily pace - about 1.8 mph - which will seem slow. But that's the middle of your daily range probably.
Got some good plans there, very nice active lifestyle, and useful workouts it sounds like.
1 less big stress in life is always useful. Let's you add your own useful stress in metered amounts.4 -
Again, so much useful info. - thanks! The local HS has a track, I’ll try determining my steps on a known distance.
I believe my food logging to be fairly accurate, I weigh everything I can & measure the rest and am mindful that some items in MFP’s data base aren’t accurate. It helps that everything I eat these days is what I’ve cooked/made. I do drink a lot of water.
The home exercises w/ light weights was all I could come up with - before Gyms closed back in March I’d started doing an hour workout designed by one of the trainers on the machines at the Gym 3Xs per week and felt I was getting stronger, I can’t wait to resume those!0 -
Be aware most HS tracks have been converted to metric - you'll have to find the marks for 1/4 mile to get 1/2 or 1 mile. 4 laps doesn't get it anymore on those tracks.
So you are ready to get roaring on some more serious workouts - nice.1
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