Help! I've gained weight on my low carb diet!

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I have just started a low carb diet, is it usual to put on weight when you first start? I am also 8-16 intermittent fasting. I am at a loss!
I have to be on a low carb diet too lose weight, my endocrinologist has made this clear, so I'm gutted I've put on 3 pounds since I started.
Please take a look at my food diary and tell me where I'm going wrong.
Thank you.... and I'm also looking for low carb friends

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  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    First question, when did you start?

    Second question, are you weighing your food (everything, measuring spoons/cups for liquids)?

    Third question, have you recently started or increased exercise (type, intensity, duration)?

    Forth question, if you're female, where are you in your cycle (you don't have to actually answer this, more to make you aware that many of us fluctuate, sometimes by a fairly hefty amount, throughout the month due to hormonal water weight).

    I'll have a look at your diary and see if I spot anything obvious in the meantime...
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,898 Member
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    How are you measuring your food? I see a mix of cups/spoon and ounce/gram measures. Since high-carb diets tend to include relatively more fats, precision becomes even more important. I'm sure you realize that fats are around 9 calories per gram, whereas proteins/carbs are 4 calories per gram. Being a bit off on measurements of fat can add up.

    Also, when you use compound entries, are they ones you entered yourself as recipes/foods? For example, I see "Coffee with Heavy Cream - 1 C". If that's your measured-out database item, that can be fine. If it's someone else, it becomes important to know how much coffee vs. cream that includes, since heavy cream is around 50 calories per tablespoon.

    If things are working, rough logging can be fine. But if things aren't working, and one is rough logging, that can make it hard to tell where the issue is.

    It's actually more common for people newly eating low carb to see a big drop at first (from glycogen depletion, basically, so reduced water weight). That's what's making me ask questions about the calorie details. I could be wrong. Your calorie goal doesn't appear to be unusually high, and your exercise calories aren't large (overestimating exercise is a common problem, but not likely for you). So, I'm wondering about the food logging details.
  • dragon_girl26
    dragon_girl26 Posts: 2,187 Member
    edited December 2020
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    ^^^ in addition to the above, what is your calorie goal? Are you making sure, in addition to counting carbs, that you are in a calorie deficit?
    If you've only been doing this for a couple of weeks or less, I wouldn't be too discouraged over it yet. Sometimes results take a few weeks to appear on the scale. When it comes to losing weight, patience is definitely a virtue. You're going to need it.
  • TeaBea
    TeaBea Posts: 14,517 Member
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    Have you been eating at a calorie deficit? Do you log your calories?

    Weight loss always comes down to taking in fewer calories than maintenance calories. Some people can naturally reduce calories by eating low carb. Some people can naturally reduce calories by reducing their eating window. But others find they still need to count calories.

    How long have you been trying to lose weight? There are many things that can cause water weight - natural fluctuations in weight. Weight loss won't be linear. If you are sure you are in a calorie deficit, maybe you just haven't given it enough time.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    I see the same diary issues as Ann. Also, some potentially suspect, eg roast beetroot that is missing the macro info (carbs, fat, protein). The kj/calories may or may not be correct, but on low carb you need to be tracking that info. Using accurate database entries can make a considerable difference. Some of them are wildly wrong.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,898 Member
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    ^^^ in addition to the above, what is your calorie goal? Are you making sure, in addition to counting carbs, that you are in a calorie deficit?
    If you've only been doing this for a couple of weeks or less, I wouldn't be too discouraged over it yet. Sometimes results take a few weeks to appear on the scale. When it comes to losing weight, patience is definitely a virtue. You're going to need it.
    TeaBea wrote: »
    Have you been eating at a calorie deficit? Do you log your calories?

    Weight loss always comes down to taking in fewer calories than maintenance calories. Some people can naturally reduce calories by eating low carb. Some people can naturally reduce calories by reducing their eating window. But others find they still need to count calories.

    How long have you been trying to lose weight? There are many things that can cause water weight - natural fluctuations in weight. Weight loss won't be linear. If you are sure you are in a calorie deficit, maybe you just haven't given it enough time.

    FWIW: Her diary is open, as her post implied. She appears to have a calorie goal of 1500 (which could be wrong, but wouldn't be crazy for a lot of people), and appears to be logging pretty close to it. Very few exercise calories are logged, and they appear to be coming from a synched tracker of some type, possibly Apple which could be a problem in itself . . . but again, few calories.

    OP, further questions: What activity level did you pick on MFP to get the 1500 calorie goal (and why), and what is your current height/weight? Do you have negative calories enabled for your tracker?
  • chris89topher
    chris89topher Posts: 389 Member
    edited December 2020
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    How do people see each other's food diary? Is it not possible to do that on the app? I see people mention they're looking at someone's diary but I see nothing. Does it have to be the web version or what? Just curious.
  • SquareDeal
    SquareDeal Posts: 4 Member
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    I am logging proteins generally as grams because I weigh them and butter oil veggies as cups and spoons because that's how I measure cooking.
    Okay so I need to log my cream separately with coffee.
    I was taking electrolytes before starting low carb so I guess I have had no water weight loss.
    My endocrinologist set my goal at 1500 calories, low carb. I guess it depends on your school of thought low cal v low carb. Perhaps the fact that my perithyriods were destroyed removing my thyroid makes a difference in the choice.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,898 Member
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    SquareDeal wrote: »
    I am logging proteins generally as grams because I weigh them and butter oil veggies as cups and spoons because that's how I measure cooking.
    Okay so I need to log my cream separately with coffee.
    I was taking electrolytes before starting low carb so I guess I have had no water weight loss.
    My endocrinologist set my goal at 1500 calories, low carb. I guess it depends on your school of thought low cal v low carb. Perhaps the fact that my perithyriods were destroyed removing my thyroid makes a difference in the choice.

    You don't have to log your cream separately if the combined entry is one you made, and you know you use the same amount of cream every time. Besides, that was just an example. The issue is that if you use a "coffee with heavy cream" entry someone else created, or any similar multi ingredient thing (scrambled egg, say), you don't know what the person who made the entry put into it. (Did the scrambled egg include milk, cream, oil, anything else?) You don't seem to log a lot of one-line multi-ingredient things (so far), so maybe this isn't that big a deal. It's just a common source of variability in calorie accuracy, using other people's multi-ingredient food entries in the database.

    I'd suggest weighing the oils & oily stuff, too. For a lot of things, it's actually easier. For example, for cheese, I put the whole block on the scale, tare (zero) it, lop off the chunk I want with a knife, then read the negative value on the scale when I remove that chunk. Same deal with (say) peanut butter: Jar on scale, tare, scoop some out, note negative weight. No extra cups/spoons, just the utensils you were going to use anyway for cutting/spreading. Easy.

    Veggies will be more accurate by weight, too: More space in a cup of big berries vs. small ones (for example), so different weight. But it doesn't matter as much for those as things like oils, cheese, nuts, because the non-starchy veg/fruit aren't nearly as calorie-dense, so being a bit off "costs" less.

    I don't think taking electolytes would necessarily prevent water weight loss if dramatically reducing carb intake. The issue is that when you eat carbs, the process of metabolizing them ties up a bit of water in the body until they're processed out, in effect. Eat fewer carbs, retain less water, is the common pattern because of this.

    The folks mentioning that if you still have monthly cycles, there might be water fluctuation from that that counterbalanced the drop from greatly reduced carb consumption. Bodies are weird. 🤷‍♀️

    Best wishes!
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,898 Member
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    P.S. I'm sorry if all this questioning and poking is not what you expected or hoped, vs. some kind of insight particular to low carb diets. I, and others, really are trying to help, I promise. Many of us here have lost weight calorie counting, and have come to believe that weight management is pretty much all about calories (though nutrition is very important for a variety of reasons, some of which can affect weight indirectly through things like health or energy level, especially in the long term). I"m for sure in that camp. Usually, most actual problems turn out to be issues with logging practices, too high an initial calorie goal (the "calculators" aren't gospel), overestimated exercise calories, misunderstandings about how water weight affects the process, and that sort of thing. Prosaic, but IMO true.

    Best wishes - I do want to see you succeed!
  • SquareDeal
    SquareDeal Posts: 4 Member
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    Ann, I have no problem with the questions. I am not exercising as I have a ruptured Achilles tendon, floating bone in my knees which causes a lot of pain and lower back pain from 7 months of covid lockdown and total inactivity. I also gave up smoking in March after 40 years smoking so my lung fitness is shocking. We have only just come out of hard lockdown and when Aqua aerobics classes start again I plan to go.
    I'm almost 56, 119.7kgs (264 pounds) and 5ft 8 inches I
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 32,898 Member
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    SquareDeal wrote: »
    Ann, I have no problem with the questions. I am not exercising as I have a ruptured Achilles tendon, floating bone in my knees which causes a lot of pain and lower back pain from 7 months of covid lockdown and total inactivity. I also gave up smoking in March after 40 years smoking so my lung fitness is shocking. We have only just come out of hard lockdown and when Aqua aerobics classes start again I plan to go.
    I'm almost 56, 119.7kgs (264 pounds) and 5ft 8 inches I

    Good, and thank you for the details. The 1500 should be reasonable for a moderate weight loss, in theory maybe around a pound a week, could be a little more or a little less depending on how much your physical challenges limit your activity. (Even going about normal daily life, fixing food & doing mild home chores and such, does burn some calories.) It is true, though, that at that rate, water weight fluctuations could hide losses on the scale for a period of time. (For example, even as a smaller person, my weight will vary by a couple of pounds pretty much randomly from day to day. If I were losing a pound a week, it could take two weeks or more, depending on surrounding circumstances, to see that clearly on the scale.)

    In the longer run, if and as you're able to be more active, and if you really are using an Apple watch as your tracker, you might find it more accurate to link it through the Pacer app rather than directly: Some users report the direct Apple interface to have some issues. While you're less active, though, don't worry too much about that.

    Our usual general guidance is to stick with a new calorie level for 4-6 weeks (full menstrual cycles, comparing same relative point in each, if you're not menopausal yet) to see the average weekly result on scale weight over at least that timespan. With at least that much data, and logging practices that are accurate (without it making you crazy!), you should then be able to adjust your calorie goal up or down based on experience, as needed.

    If you're feeling OK about low carb as per medical advice, for sure stick with it, as there's no real down side (from a calorie standpoint). Ditto for IF: If it helps you stick with calorie goal and feel good, stick with it. If it makes things harder, it's a nonessential complication. (Some people argue that it has "other benefits" besides weight loss. I don't personally feel there's strong evidence for that . . . but even if true, it's secondary to calorie management for weight loss, and weight loss alone has pretty big health benefits when we're substantially over a healthy weight, so I think that's the top priority. If IF makes calorie compliance easier, it's a plus; if it makes it harder, it's not; in that context.)

    Wishing you good outcomes!
  • trp183
    trp183 Posts: 7 Member
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    I know injuries can be frustrating. I also am on low carb from my endocrinologist. I do think they are on to something. Some people do have insulin resistance and do better long term on low carb. I have back slid a little the last 2 weeks. I did have a foot injury and my podiatrist said no long walks, hiking until it feels normal. ( its not normal but probably 60-70 percent better) I am going to take a very slow 1 to 1.5 mile walk today and see if I can tolerate it. (foot is not normal but probably 60-70 percent better) I was doing 1.75 to 3 miles a day at least 3 days a week previously. My mistake was when it first happened I did 3 long walks/hikes in a row since the weather was good and powered through the pain. I also literally gain 3-4 lbs in one day depending on my cycle or if I eat something heavy on the salt. I have learned not to freak out. Just carry on and re-weigh myself in 3 days to a week. And by the way I use a fitness watch to track my steps and hikes. But my daily steps are usually off because unless I am taking a walk I don't really swing my arms much. At work I usually have something in my hands and my arm is still.
    Also if I am dehydrated one day I will automatically look lower on the scale so on days I forget to drink enough water or something I know if I weigh less I will weigh more tomorrow when my water intake is normal.
    I am pretty good with the accurate logging when I am logging, However, my mom tends to forget condiments and miss judging portions. We all have a weak point we just have to figure out what it is and try to adjust.
    ALSO FOR ME I NEVER CAN EAT BACK MY EXCERCISE CALORIES OR ALLOW ADJUSTMENTS TO BE MADE FOR ACTIVITY. Some can and I wish that worked for me but I can not.
    And my last thought. Low carb can cause other issues like constipation. If you are not going as much as usual consider that you may have some issues that require some fiber (or sometimes I will take calm brand magnesium) and that seems to straighten that right out. Once it was definitely causing a significant weight gain on the scale.
  • nooshi713
    nooshi713 Posts: 4,877 Member
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    When did you start? It may be too soon to really tell if you are losing or gaining. Most people
    who begin low carb diets lose a few lbs of water weight.

    There is no reason to be on a low carb diet for most people. Hypothyroidism, menopausal status, and post cholecystectomy are not good reasons. Most people lacking a gallbladder should instead avoid too much fat, because some still get flare ups similar to when they had a gallbladder because they don’t have the bile reserve. Low carb diets tend to be higher in fat and protein so I’m not sure if that’s the right move for you.

    I’m a PA and honestly most providers don’t know much about diet beyond the basics. The exception to this is GI and Cardiology specialists who tend to focus on diet more.
  • AshHeartsJesus
    AshHeartsJesus Posts: 460 Member
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    I found that when I did low carb that my body had some issues losing sometimes because of the fat. I had to reintroduce carbs to lose my last 10lbs, but I workout a lot so our bodies may react differently. I would try it for at least a month to see what results you get as long as the fats are not causing you pain. Another point is low carb and keto are not the same thing. Make sure you are still eating fruits and veggies and getting enough fiber. I am like Ann my weight goes up and down A LOT I am at goal but it went up 3lbs at one point this week to being back to normal within 2 days. I am recording my daily weigh ins to try to figure out a good maintence calorie goal for me. It has been very insightful due to bathroom stuff, hormones, water intake, sodium intake ect. Oh make sure to drink plenty of water! Have you checked out sitting exercises. I know hasfit tribe on youtube has some. Hugs I know with life and health stress it can seem very scary and unrealistic, but it is possible!