Childhood experiences and adult habits
donidaily
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I can't stop thinking about this article, in which the author describes how growing up with food scarcity still affects her habits around food as an adult: https://www.bonappetit.com/story/childhood-food-insecurity
I identified with so much of it, especially how feeling like there wasn't enough food to go around lead her to eat in secret, hoard, and race to get her share of family meals. Oof. Some of the lasting effects she describes:
"I don’t have trouble putting food on the table anymore...But I still obsess over food. I am still learning to recognize my own fullness. I’m still trying to stop devouring meals like I did as a kid. I don’t buy snack foods because I know I can’t stop eating them all in one sitting. I don’t sit in a locked bathroom binging, but I have an unconscious perception that food is scarce. My appetite is insatiable in the presence of finger foods. Shared appetizer platters beckon me like a siren: “Eat me before someone else does.” I go bonkers over food waste, wanting to save it from the trash by eating it."
Can anyone else relate? It has really given me a new understanding of some of my struggles with food.
I identified with so much of it, especially how feeling like there wasn't enough food to go around lead her to eat in secret, hoard, and race to get her share of family meals. Oof. Some of the lasting effects she describes:
"I don’t have trouble putting food on the table anymore...But I still obsess over food. I am still learning to recognize my own fullness. I’m still trying to stop devouring meals like I did as a kid. I don’t buy snack foods because I know I can’t stop eating them all in one sitting. I don’t sit in a locked bathroom binging, but I have an unconscious perception that food is scarce. My appetite is insatiable in the presence of finger foods. Shared appetizer platters beckon me like a siren: “Eat me before someone else does.” I go bonkers over food waste, wanting to save it from the trash by eating it."
Can anyone else relate? It has really given me a new understanding of some of my struggles with food.
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Oof, I wasn't expecting so much of that article to resonate as much as it did. I know I still carry the effects of childhood trauma around food when it comes to eating at restaurants, but my primary childhood-trauma anxiety mostly revolves around having needs out loud where people can see. I get very anxious if there's even the slightest inconvenience, if we wait just a little too long for water/drinks/bread/whatever, if there's even a small problem with anyone's food, if something gets dropped or spilled by accident, for fear of someone I'm with having to make a scene about it. I eat very quickly once my food is served, because the traumatized child in my brain is convinced that the person I'm with might randomly fly off the handle and demand we leave immediately for any reason, so I'd better get this food in my belly quickfast and on the double or else it'll be wasted. That kind of thing.
edit to add: I'm 30 and married. "The person I'm with" is usually my husband, who is also 30 and even more conflict-averse than I am, and would rather slit his own throat with the provided butterknife than make a scene about even a legitimate problem with the food. He got a very obviously bad cut of meat once when we were out to breakfast with his dad, and he was completely prepared to just not eat it, and the ordeal of his dad flagging down the waitress to complain was literal torture for both of us. I think my eyes burned a hole in the table, I was staring at it so hard in an effort to will this to stop happening.7 -
Sort of unrelated to food scarcity issues, but...When I was little I loved veggies and not meats. But to make my brother eat veggies mom would absolutely sauce it up with unlimited cheese to get him to eat it, so we both ate all the cheese because she wasn't about to prepare more than one veggie for the two of us. Fast forward to adulthood. When I started losing weight I wasn't sure what the sabateur in my diet was as: I usually don't eat cake, candy sweets, or things most people consider unhealthy junk food. Bread sometimes, wine sometimes. I ate salads and potatoes as my general daily meals. Turns out, it is the cheese! Yeah, the cheese that my brother needed or he wouldn't eat his veggies!! Hah! You have no idea how hard this was to figure out. I was like an invisible portion of 1000+ calories per day maybe. For 35+ years stupid brother!! But my cousins definitely fit into the category of what you are talking about, they would have food competitions to see who could eat the most in the shortest amount of time every time we ate with them (a 7 child family).7
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My mom suffered from hunger as a kid. We felt the effects of that for her lifetime. When we’d go grocery shopping it was common for her to have TWO baskets (the big ole 60’s style carts, mind you) towering with food. She’s open a loaf of bread for us to snack on as we went through the grocery store. She hid food, too. Heaven help us when the warehouse clubs came to be.
One time I realized my folks’ freezer was full of frost-bitten foods and meat that had expired as long as ten years ago. When I offered to clean it out, they nearly took my head off.
My brother was unable to communicate as a child, due to a disability. He would hover round the kitchen waiting for mealtime, race in, grab the best bits and lick them to establish dibs. Sometimes he’d grab several portions and then we’d be forced to eat them.
I could always tell when money was tight. Snacks became those awful store brand “butter cookies” with the holes in the middle, meat would become spam or canned salmon, and my beloved cherry preserve sandwiches would disappear from my lunch box, replaced by sodden, runny, homage blackberry jam sandwiches. When we were flush, it was Little Debbie’s, sandwich cookies, and ice milk (remember that?!)
We had so many issues when I was coming up, our issues had issues, which had little micro issues of their own.6 -
Very moving, the article and poster recollections. I wasn't food insecure per se, but I do relate to bringing disordered attitudes about food from my childhood into my adulthood. I lingered over this at the end:
"But by acknowledging that being able to feed ourselves is a form of health care—and treating it as such—perhaps we can eliminate the culture of shame around food, eating, and food insecurity, so that no kid has to go through what I did."
The author seems to suggest there is no corollary shame attached to health care scarcity. Sadly, I think many children grow up knowing they can't see a doctor because the family can't afford it*. I'll never forget one friend in particular describing the agony of ear infections that didn't get prompt treatment, and his mom worked as a secretary in a doctor's office. It did not mean she could afford care for her kids. As an adult he carried resentment for that (it seemed against her). Maybe shame, too, but I can't really speak to his interior life.
*I'm in the US and in a state in which 25% of children live in poverty and 13% are uninsured for health care. Even families with insurance often face high deductibles which make office visits for sick kids unaffordable (or at least blow the family budget). A wealthy US presidential candidate once notoriously said no one dies alone in their apartment because emergency room care is free. Nothing could be further from the truth. Emergency care is the most expensive, and the uninsured can be guaranteed they will be charged the highest (non-negotiated) rates and sought after for years by collection agencies. Health care access is just as real as food insecurity for children.4 -
All my habits I got from my parents.. food was used as a drug abd a weapon and a means of love. I was put on a diet at A very young age and was Given very negative messages regarding food and body image. I can’t tell you how much that has shaped me as an adult. I wasn’t even fat as a kid. My parents were food insecure from their upbringing and here I am trying to forget the shame and just be me5
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Thank you so much for the responses ♥️ Reading the experiences shared here it is so clear that getting to a healthy lifestyle has to involve the mind as well as the body. Many of us have big things to unlearn. I find it hard to look back critically on my childhood, my mom especially loved us powerfully and tried to give us everything. But the fact is I did learn some lessons then that have not served me well later in life. At least this article encouraged me to have some compassion about those experiences and to question some of my habits.2
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I thought the article was brilliant. Really “food” for thought.0
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My childhood experiences with food have been on my mind lately lately especially having a 3 year old and witnessing my mom trying to get my daughter to join the clean plate club. Perhaps this thread is the perfect place to unload. I never had food insecurity (my mom did growing up in the Philippines), but I do feel affected by my childhood. My mom always made me finish the food on my plate. I was heavy since I was 5 and put on my first diet at 9, yo-yo dieted through my school years and finally lost 60lb 11 years ago. I still yo-yo but not as badly. My parents worked opposite shifts most of the time so I had carte blanche to eat whatever diet food was in the house. The diet foods of the 90's were terrible IMO. Low fat everything but if you looked closely so much added sugar. No wonder my satiety ques were so out of whack. I look back and realize I never stood a chance at weight loss back then. Between that horrid fat free ice cream and then accompanying my parents to buffets when they were both awake, there was just no way I could be a healthy weight. Today I'm almost neurotic about eating dinner at home as a family when I'm off.2
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I'm right with @Nursegirl_jax and being introspective about my food habits with my 2.5 year old around. Likewise, I'm fortunate to never have had experienced food insecurity either but was definitely encouraged to clean my plate and finish my milk (guessing a 16oz glass, whole Vit D, of course). I often find myself grappling with not wanting food to go to waste while not forcing those same sorts of pressures on our son. What usually happens is I'll end up eating what he leaves on his plate as we clear the table. However, those food relationship issues are mild in comparison to the lasting impact to self-perception and self-identity being mild/moderately overweight as a child had on me. I always remember being on the doughy side growing up, had glasses and braces by age 7, got good grades so I really leaned into being a nerd. Being really into superheroes was also formative in terms of the type of physique I envied (and still envy, quite frankly) and it was demonstratively obvious I did not look the same way in the mirror as my heroes did on page and screen. I also liked and played sports, being chubbier and slower than some of my friends didn't help matters either. My mother, not really knowing how best to approach dietary improvements, opted to try and preserve as much of my mental health as she could by often consoling me with things like "some people are just built differently. And so I believed I was destined to just be dissatisfied with my physical appearance and an average (at best) athlete for most of adolescence. By accident I lost 30 lbs over a few months at 17, arriving at a healthy weight for really the first time, a range I've been able to stay within for the 15 years since. Those self-definitions of not being an "athlete" and/or not being a "workout" person were still hard to contend with into my 20s, though I was not satisfied with my body simply being "not fat". Coming to MFP allowed me to go from the higher end of normal BMI to the lower end, but still I was not really any happier with how I looked at 158 compared to 175. I dabbled with things like p90x but never really liked it, it was just what I perceived "normal" people did to get in shape. I didn't see myself as worthy of barbell training or traditional weightlifting; I wasn't the kind of person that went "to the gym". Any more I don't even remember what even convinced me to take the plunge and buy my first barbell set beyond it was on sale and we had plenty of cash and space to buy my own stuff. Now, six years later, I'm so happy I did as I'm stronger, healthier, and happier with my body than I've ever been. I still had to work through that identity crisis but being able to do so in the privacy of my own basement, and not at a public gym and contend with my social anxiety is probably the biggest reason I was able to persevere.5
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I can relate.
But also? I stopped when I got to the part about the wrapped cheese. Because a part of me went “that’s not food insecure…. That’s the expensive stuff!”
Which was an emotional reaction based on my own upbringing. I don’t mean this to downplay the author’s experience.
Funny story: There were six of us.
Before my dad started to get extremely sick he won a contest from the Cumberland Farms near where he worked. All the milk your family could drink for a year.
He came home with four gallons and told us to drink up. And boy did we ever!
About a week into this the store owner took my dad aside and said “I just wanted to remind you. The prize is only for your own family. Not neighbors and friends.”
So my dad showed him his wallet photos.
The store owner smiled broadly and said “Well. Looks like the right family won this contest!”
I still love milk.1 -
Yeah, it's a wonder I'm as normal as I am with food. When I was little, my mom worked out of town almost every week. She was a regional manager for a chain of weight loss centers. The kind in the 70s where you'd get shots, but if you stopped taking the shots you'd gain the weight back. Probably some kind of amphetamine? My mom was never home, she barely ate anything and was beautiful! Nobody at school could believe she was my mom. I was a homely, overweight kid with bad hair. I lived mostly with my great grandmother. Anytime I was upset (which was all the time) she would make me a special treat to eat. I still have problems not rewarding myself with food.
I wonder what the kids of today are learning about food? I don't have kids, but when I see people out with kids they always have a snack. Goldfish crackers or Cheerios in a Ziploc bag. I'm talking about toddlers. It seems like they're keeping their kids' mouths full so they don't have a fit in public or something. I don't remember having food available to me at any moment like that. Wonder if this practice is helping or hurting?2 -
Huh, interesting observation @Skyler103! I hadn't thought about it but yes, the constant supply of snacks does seem to be a modern parenting thing. But I also feel like when and where I grew up (rural upbringing) we just spent a lot more time at home, so maybe we did have snacks but not portable ones. I'm going to ask my mom. The focus was definitely big meals though, I spent a lot of time at one aunt's house and her mantra between meals and any time after dinner was "if you're hungry you can have a fruit". I still say this to myself 😆
Loved the story about your mom's weight loss center...definitely another time wasn't it!1 -
Huh, interesting observation @Skyler103! I hadn't thought about it but yes, the constant supply of snacks does seem to be a modern parenting thing. But I also feel like when and where I grew up (rural upbringing) we just spent a lot more time at home, so maybe we did have snacks but not portable ones. I'm going to ask my mom. The focus was definitely big meals though, I spent a lot of time at one aunt's house and her mantra between meals and any time after dinner was "if you're hungry you can have a fruit". I still say this to myself 😆
Loved the story about your mom's weight loss center...definitely another time wasn't it!
Constant snacks is definitely a modern parenting thing. But I think it’s an issue of busy working parents, and the fact that toddlers tend to be picky and grazers.
I’m not sure I’ve seen the constant snacking thing happening much outside of the toddler/preschool age range. But I’ve been out of the childcare field for a bit over a decade.0 -
When I was growing up my mom was very overweight. She really tried to control what I ate because she didn't want that to happen to me. I recognize that she had good intentions, but it was extremely damaging. I had a bit of baby fat when I was younger, but was probably still within a healthy weight range. I was NEVER even close to overweight as a teen, but every time I would gain 2 pounds, my mom would notice and point it out. I think in her mind, it was like, "Oh no, it's starting. I have to put a stop to this right now so she doesn't end up like me." My body seemed to sort of like to be around 130 pounds, and that's the weight I would maintain without thinking about it too hard. But if I counted calories and exercised, I could maintain 120, and I felt a whole lot of pressure to do that, and like my body in the 130 range was "bad" even though that's a perfectly healthy weight for my height.
I really believe that if I'd never started the diet cycle, I wouldn't have become overweight as an adult. I've paid attention to the behavior of "naturally thin" people as an adult. Sure, some of them seem to just have freakish metabolisms. But for a lot of them, it's just that they don't have food hang ups. To them, a cookie is just a cookie. If someone puts out cookies at work, they may have one if it looks really good, or they may not. Who cares, because they can have a cookie tomorrow if they want.
Whereas for many years, when I saw a cookie, it was this huge internal struggle of what to do about it. If I have one, I might not be able to stop. For the many years that in my mind "on track" was eating 1200 calories, one cookie could have a significant impact on my goals for the day. Or, might as well have 5 and "get back on track tomorrow." And since I've already eaten cookies at lunch, may as well order pizza for dinner, because tomorrow I'll be "back on track" and I can't have that stuff. To me food is such a complicated an emotional thing whereas the naturally thin person just sees it as food, and has no reason to overeat. I also have this distinct memory of being out to lunch with one of these lucky naturally thin people. I said something like, "I'm getting full but this is SO good" as I took another bite. My friend looked at me like I had 3 heads and said something like, "You know, you don't have to finish it if you're full." Even the idea of overeating was absurd to her.
Ironically, my mom is now a size 4 and has been for at least 10 years now, through strict calorie counting and a lot of exercise, while I'm the one who is overweight and has been a yo-yo dieter my entire adult life. I've learned something from each time and am a whole lot better with food than I used to be, but I'm not sure I'll ever be someone who just doesn't care that much about food.6 -
I’ve been thinking quite a bit about my childhood experiences and my weight lately. I’m mid 40s and have been overweight (mostly obese) all my life. I’ve remembered a particular incident which I think hugely affected my mindset. At around 11, we were weighed and measured in school. I was obese and my mother and I had to have a follow up meeting with the health practitioner. I don’t clearly remember all that was said, but I left having seen a weight prediction chart saying I was doomed, leaving me with a sense of inevitability. I also remember the utter shame I felt. Both these things have given me a sense of just being made this way but also an inability to talk about it. It’s taken years to get to a point of being able to be open about it (and a very supportive partner) and even longer to believe that being overweight isn’t how I’m made - I can change it.4
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