Help with food choices - moving to vegetarian as a diabetic

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Hi Folks,

Looking for some advice.
I was recently diagnosed with diabetes T2 - unsurprisingly. I am/ was obese and inactive.

In the last 35+ days, I have started to turn my life around. Healthier foods, lower calories and active lifestyle. (re-living my teens, 20's and 30's lifestyle) In this time, I have lost about 7.5kg.

However, I found myself eating a large amount of animal proteins.
As a former vegetarian (in my 20's and 30's), I keep thinking about returning to that eating style. However... I am a little confused about the plant proteins, carbs and low GI etc.

MFP seems to be unable to distinguish between plant proteins and carbs. (i.e. beans, lentils etc when looking at macros)

Or am I reading it wrong and just not having enough protein?

As a diabetic, is it ok to be eating a comparatively large amount of plant proteins that are also carbs that are low GI?

Will this impact my losing weight (I still have about 25+ KG's to lose)

Will this impact being a long term healthier change to my diet? (Looking to be less of a diet that a regular type of eating)

Advice much appreciated.
L

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  • lanajanewoolf
    lanajanewoolf Posts: 9 Member
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    Hi Xellercin,

    Thanks for responding.
    Yes I have had a meeting with a registered dietician, however, at that point, I was not thinking about going vegetarian.

    I can and will make an appointment again, however, it does cost some money and I have a limited amount of appointments under the Aust scheme I am on.

    They were happy with the progress I was making however suggested that I up my low GI carbs e.g. a 1/2 cup of brown rice a day to help combat the fatigue, and up my calories slightly.

    As I mentioned, at the last appt, I was not considering going vegetarian as I was just trying to go as low carb as possible. Generally info in Australia says, go low carb.

    As I read further, and spoke to the dietician, it was more apparent that it more about low GI, but still with a low carb message.

    I wanted to get other opinions, inspirations, experiences and tips before the appointment so I can then do some research to initiate the right conversations.
    L
  • christineja
    christineja Posts: 22 Member
    edited December 2021
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    I had gestational diabetes with two pregnancies and am now considered pre-diabetic/insulin resistant. I had it under control for a long time but gained a lot of weight and am having to go back to low-carb to control my glucose levels. I can only hit my protein goals by eating animal protein. Looking at a 14.5 oz can of black beans, it's supposedly 3.5 servings with each serving only giving you 7 grams of protein, but 15 grams of net carbs. A 4 oz serving of animal protein is at least triple the protein with zero carbs. Being insulin resistant, my body produces insulin but is unable to use it, so even a healthy carb like beans will end up being converted to glucose that hangs around and ends up as belly fat, while causing me hunger and cravings because my body isn't able to use the food it's consuming.

    You need to get a testing meter and check your blood after meals. Because I test I know I can't eat rice in any amount without a big spike. When I was thinner I could eat chickpeas with oil and lemon without spikes, but gaining weight leads to insulin resistance, and now I can't. I only know that because I test.

    Was it your doc who suggested upping your carbs for energy? That's good advice for someone with normal glucose levels lol. For me, carbs=tiredness and brain fog, because, again, my body can't process them. If I ate a .5 cup of rice I'd need a nap. YMMV, but for me increasing my calories through healthy fats and increasing my protein intake ups my energy levels, upping my carbs does the exact opposite.

    You just have to experiment and find out what your body can handle. I do best eating <20 carbs a meal, which is basically just eating carbs as nuts/veg/dairy, no/very limited fruit, grains or legumes. Adding oil/fats and acids like lemon juice or vinegar also helps slow the insulin response, but of course with fats you have to watch your calories.

    I don't mean to be negative, because I think the planet would be much healthier if everyone was vegetarian or at least cut way, way back on animal protein. I hope people chime in with their experiences of controlling blood sugars while avoiding meat. I plan to if my weight loss improves my insulin response, but since I want to avoid medication I'm stuck with eating meat for now.

    Sorry for the book, I'm obsessed with glucose levels :/ Congrats on your weight loss!
  • korimak0
    korimak0 Posts: 249 Member
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    I have a friend who is vegetarian and does keto (ultra low carb). So, diabetes aside, going low carb as a vegetarian is possible. Whether it is advisable in your situation, though, is a totally different question. Your diet ends up being super restrictive and you risk not getting all the good nutrients you need, although you can use protein shakes to help add more protein (there are some good vegan powders out there too). Then of course there are all those individual factors as christineja mentions.

    I personally gave up on being vegetarian because for me, with my other dietary restrictions, it was just making me tired all the time and I was eating more high GI carbs, and less protein than my body really wanted. But I still often eat vegetarian meals! And I don't eat mammals, just poultry/fish.

    So it's not an all or nothing thing! I can't really give you diabetes advice, but you could try out adding some low GI vegetarian meals and see how you go? And what the nutritionist thinks?
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
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    My personal experience testing blood (and there are studies which agree, although the science is divided) is that low GI is baloney. Carbs will hit your blood sugar eventually, and different diabetics react differently to the same foods. Test and if you tolerate legumes well this may work for you. I have to limit them, myself. There are some supposedly slow carbs which just spike the bejeezus out of me, such as quinoa. On the other hand I can eat sweet potatoes all day. I have friends who are the opposite. If you don’t test, you’re just guessing.

    Are you wanting to be vegetarian for ethical reasons? Would eating more fish be a helpful compromise?

    I know diabetics who are well controlled on vegan diets, and carnivore diets. Anything is possible. But it doesn’t mean everything is equally easy.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 27,922 Member
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    Hi Folks,

    Looking for some advice.
    I was recently diagnosed with diabetes T2 - unsurprisingly. I am/ was obese and inactive.

    In the last 35+ days, I have started to turn my life around. Healthier foods, lower calories and active lifestyle. (re-living my teens, 20's and 30's lifestyle) In this time, I have lost about 7.5kg.

    However, I found myself eating a large amount of animal proteins.
    As a former vegetarian (in my 20's and 30's), I keep thinking about returning to that eating style. However... I am a little confused about the plant proteins, carbs and low GI etc.

    MFP seems to be unable to distinguish between plant proteins and carbs. (i.e. beans, lentils etc when looking at macros)

    Or am I reading it wrong and just not having enough protein?


    As a diabetic, is it ok to be eating a comparatively large amount of plant proteins that are also carbs that are low GI?

    Will this impact my losing weight (I still have about 25+ KG's to lose)

    Will this impact being a long term healthier change to my diet? (Looking to be less of a diet that a regular type of eating)

    Advice much appreciated.
    L

    Assuming you are using accurate entries from the database, you're just not having enough protein. Here's my canned response for finding accurate entries:
    Unfortunately, the green check marks in the MFP database are used for both USER-created entries and ADMIN-created entries that MFP pulled from the USDA database. A green check mark for USER-created entries just means enough people have upvoted the entry - it is not necessarily correct.

    To find ADMIN entries for whole foods, I get the syntax from the USDA database and paste that into MFP. All ADMIN entries from the USDA will have weights as an option BUT there is a glitch whereby sometimes 1g is the option but the values are actually for 100g. This is pretty easy to spot though, as when added the calories are 100x more than is reasonable.

    https://fdc.nal.usda.gov

    Use the “SR Legacy” tab - that seems to be what MFP used to pull in entries.

    Note: any MFP entry that includes "USDA" was USER entered.

    For packaged foods, I verify the label against what I find in MFP. (Alas, you cannot just scan with your phone and assume what you get is correct.)

    Re your other question:
    Will this impact my losing weight (I still have about 25+ KG's to lose)
    No, macro/GI does not affect weight loss directly. Eating macros you find filling helps weight loss indirectly as this makes adhering to a calorie deficit easier.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,874 Member
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    Hi Folks,

    Looking for some advice.
    I was recently diagnosed with diabetes T2 - unsurprisingly. I am/ was obese and inactive.

    In the last 35+ days, I have started to turn my life around. Healthier foods, lower calories and active lifestyle. (re-living my teens, 20's and 30's lifestyle) In this time, I have lost about 7.5kg.

    However, I found myself eating a large amount of animal proteins.
    As a former vegetarian (in my 20's and 30's), I keep thinking about returning to that eating style. However... I am a little confused about the plant proteins, carbs and low GI etc.

    MFP seems to be unable to distinguish between plant proteins and carbs. (i.e. beans, lentils etc when looking at macros)

    Or am I reading it wrong and just not having enough protein?


    As a diabetic, is it ok to be eating a comparatively large amount of plant proteins that are also carbs that are low GI?

    Will this impact my losing weight (I still have about 25+ KG's to lose)

    Will this impact being a long term healthier change to my diet? (Looking to be less of a diet that a regular type of eating)

    Advice much appreciated.
    L

    Provided your entries are accurate, MFP is going to display whatever protein is in the food as well as other macros in that food. Things like beans and lentils do have protein and are good sources of vegetarian protein, but they are largely comprised of carbohydrates.
  • Rhumax67
    Rhumax67 Posts: 162 Member
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    If you google "vegan for t2d" you'll get lots of info & research for vegetarian & vegan diets. :) Good Luck!