Muscle & weight loss?
dralicephd
Posts: 402 Member
Hi!
I want to talk through some logic and see if I'm thinking about this correctly. Let me know what you think.
First, some background: I've lost about 18 pounds and still have about 10-ish to go. As I've lost weight, I'm noticing that the "pandemic-hermit" lifestyle that caused the weight gain has also meant I've lost some muscle. I'm starting to feel thin, but flabby. Anyway, I've been slowly trying to get back in shape simply by using an elliptical. My main focus has just been to gain back some cardiovascular fitness, while avoiding injury (since there was a long time without exercise).
Here is my question/thought process: I'm thinking that I should not worry about the flabbiness at this point while I'm still in the weight loss phase and just focus on cardiovascular baseline fitness. I know that it is hard to put on muscle while in a calorie deficit, so am I right to just ignore that aspect right now? I figure that once I reach maintenance phase, I can start thinking about muscle/strength goals and work on that then. Does this seem reasonable?
Thanks for any input!
I want to talk through some logic and see if I'm thinking about this correctly. Let me know what you think.
First, some background: I've lost about 18 pounds and still have about 10-ish to go. As I've lost weight, I'm noticing that the "pandemic-hermit" lifestyle that caused the weight gain has also meant I've lost some muscle. I'm starting to feel thin, but flabby. Anyway, I've been slowly trying to get back in shape simply by using an elliptical. My main focus has just been to gain back some cardiovascular fitness, while avoiding injury (since there was a long time without exercise).
Here is my question/thought process: I'm thinking that I should not worry about the flabbiness at this point while I'm still in the weight loss phase and just focus on cardiovascular baseline fitness. I know that it is hard to put on muscle while in a calorie deficit, so am I right to just ignore that aspect right now? I figure that once I reach maintenance phase, I can start thinking about muscle/strength goals and work on that then. Does this seem reasonable?
Thanks for any input!
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No don't ignore working on your muscles while dieting - it's far easier to retain muscle rather than lose it and go through the long and arduous process of regaining it.
The stimulus/training to maintain/retain muscle is far less than needed to add new muscle mass.
There's also a far higher chance that when you get to goal weight you will be disappointed that you just look like a smaller, shrunken version of the current you rather than look the best possible version of yourself.
Huge mistake to lose more muscle than you have to. Think fat loss - not just weight loss!
Small deficit/slow rate of loss, a well structured lifting routine and an above average protein levels are the three main parts of avoiding/minimising muscle loss. The closer to goal weight you get the more important these factors become as you won't have the big fat/energy levels anymore which tend to be muscle sparing.
PS - it's hard for well trained people with above average levels of muscle to add more in a deficit but it's a very different story for people who are either under-trained, never trained before, or have had a training break.5 -
@sijomial makes very good points about maintaining or even adding muscle while on deficit. Weight bearing exercise is definitely best for that.
But, you have to enjoy or at least tolerate weight bearing exercise. I have met a lot of people who just don't like it that much. For one thing, when you're trying to lose weight, it's nice to do something that burns some extra calories, and cardio is better for that than weights.
I can report that I've lost a lot of weight while just doing cardio. At one time, I favored the elliptical with arm motion. (Since then, I do more swim, ride, run workouts.) In any case, the elliptical "with arms" is a pretty complete full-body workout. It burns calories while utilizing most of your muscles. I would say that it's a pretty good way to stay in shape.
Best of luck. And, whatever you choose to do, remember that any exercise is better than none.1 -
I'd suggest adding in some strength exercise now.
Particularly for us as women, muscle loss increases future risk of bone loss, which is a major health/mortality risk as we age. Simply being overweight seems to decrease osteoporosis risk (but is overall not health-beneficial, of course). A way to counter that risk to bones, from being lighter bodyweight, is to stay strong, in addition to getting some impact exercise if the body allows, and appropriate nutrition.
Further, when we're overweight/obese, we tend to have more muscle mass than a similar-frame person of similar activity level who has never been overweight. By doing strength exercise during weight loss, pretty much the worst that could happen is that we keep more of that muscle (that our body will de-prioritize and be more likely to lose as we get lighter, if we don't keep challenging the muscle). Because muscle is relatively slow and effortful to build under the best of circumstances - perhaps especially so for women and those of us with some age on the odometer - keeping what we have is an efficient strategy, IMO.
Besides, as sijomial wisely says, beginners are more likely to be able to gain a little mass, even in a calorie deficit, especially if that deficit is sensibly moderate.
Another fact: Strength gain precedes and is faster than muscle-mass gain, via neuromuscular adaptation (basically, better recruiting and using the muscle fibers we already have). Strength is useful in itself, both in daily life chores, and potentially in being able to advance our cardiovascular exercise intensity. If you haven't strength trained before, or not in a long time, you'll get strength benefits quite rapidly.
Starting strength exercise, especially as a beginner, doesn't need to be some hugely time-consuming thing. Even half an hour 2-3 times a week can have material benefits. Yes, it burns fewer calories per minute than most cardiovascular exercise, but it has other benefits as mentioned above.
With respect to the comment above about some people not enjoying strength exercise: I'd raise my hand in that roll call. In my regular life, I'm lackadaisical about strength training, to my detriment (don't take me as a role model - eek!). I usually strength train (lift weights) a bit in my rowing off season, but usually not much beyond that. However, during weight loss, I did make it a point to put strength training at a higher priority, do it more often and more consistently, for the reasons mentioned above.
Please don't let my bad attitude infect you: Many people enjoy strength exercise. Even I enjoy the effect of feeling stronger, when I have the patience to reach that point. Over and over, people here report finding the actual training activity to be fun. While that's not universal, please do keep your mind open to the possibility that you'll be one of them.
I'm sure you know that there's a thread here about picking a strength training approach:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you/p1
In case you haven't had an opportunity to read it, I'll point out that the title is a little misleading: It's not just lifting programs. There are also bodyweight programs discussed that can be done at home, with minimal or no equipment, if that approach is more appealing.
I don't think I've ever seen a post here from someone who said "I'm sorry I started strength training during weight loss", but I've seen a bunch that said "now that I'm strength training in/near maintenance, I wish I'd started doing it from day 1". Food for thought?3 -
As a person who lost a lot of fat and muscle quickly due to health issues, I can tell you that it is MUCH harder to gain back fitness once you are small and weak. I'd recommend doing enough to maintain your current muscles, don't worry about building them at this point...just don't LOSE them. If you do, you'll have a much harder time getting the body and fitness levels you want and will be much more prone to injury.2
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Thanks for setting me straight, everyone. I appreciate it. Also, thanks for the link @AnnPT77. I'll check it out.
I have an additional question: If I'm training on the elliptical with intervals, is that considered strength training at all? Or would you say that I really should focus on trying to incorporate purposeful/targeted strength exercises?
@Jthanmyfitnesspal Yes, the elliptical workouts I'm doing involve arms. I should point out that while I feel flabby in other areas, I've been noticing that my biceps look bigger (meaning that I can actually see them now.. lol).
I think I'm apprehensive about starting something new because when I recently tried to include some body weight strength training (power yoga, etc.), I ended up overdoing it and hurting my quad. @sijomial, how do I figure out the appropriate "dosage of stimulus" without breaking myself?
Again, thanks for helping out this noob.
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dralicephd wrote: »Thanks for setting me straight, everyone. I appreciate it. Also, thanks for the link @AnnPT77. I'll check it out.
I have an additional question: If I'm training on the elliptical with intervals, is that considered strength training at all? Or would you say that I really should focus on trying to incorporate purposeful/targeted strength exercises?
@Jthanmyfitnesspal Yes, the elliptical workouts I'm doing involve arms. I should point out that while I feel flabby in other areas, I've been noticing that my biceps look bigger (meaning that I can actually see them now.. lol).
I think I'm apprehensive about starting something new because when I recently tried to include some body weight strength training (power yoga, etc.), I ended up overdoing it and hurting my quad. @sijomial, how do I figure out the appropriate "dosage of stimulus" without breaking myself?
Again, thanks for helping out this noob.
No elliptical isn't strength training - it's cardio with a resistance element if you actually turn the resistance up. Intervals of high resistance, lower cadence would increase the resistance element. Intervals of just faster cadence wouldn't - it would just increase the cardio intensity.
Just like my main sport of cycling is cardio with a resistance element. Grinding up a 15% gradient hill would be more of a resistance stimulus but it's still predominantly cardio and although especially beginners can add some muscle that's very limited in duration and scale compared to actually working with weights. Rowing and swimming can be seen as being in the same class of exercise.
To find the appropriate stimulus you start from where you are now and gradually ramp up. You are looking for challenging not hurting yourself.
Get too sore or too fatigued you ease off.
If not improving, increase the stimulus.
Make a start and adjust over time. Especially when starting out you will need more recovery than someone accustomed to a particular exercise.
Everyone was a noob once!1 -
Especially when starting out you will need more recovery than someone accustomed to a particular exercise.
Everyone was a noob once!
Ok, thank you. The focus on RECOVERY is something I think I really need to take to heart this time. I think I didn't allow for much on the last try, hence the injury.
Thanks again everyone! I really appreciate the help.
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