Morbidly obese need help!
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@springlering62 and @JBanx2
I have a question for you, but maybe I should ask it over at the flophouse. Why not ask it here.
It takes so long to undo what extra weight does to the body. It's virtually painless going on and painful coming off. The hard work and all of the effort, I know it's so worth it for you @springlering62
During the difficult days and the months, what kept you going? There's something that we don't talk about very much, but there is a small amount of hunger involved with weight loss. It may not be much, but there are days when some hunger is there.1 -
Hiawassee88 wrote: »@springlering62 and @JBanx2
I have a question for you, but maybe I should ask it over at the flophouse.
I prefer the chophouse...mmmmm steak....bloody-rare though, please1 -
Hiawassee88 wrote: »@springlering62 and @JBanx2
I have a question for you, but maybe I should ask it over at the flophouse.
I prefer the chophouse...mmmmm steak....bloody-rare though, please
We have a lorra lorra steakhouses around here. Not me, I want a burnt sacrificial offering. Not really, but I can't even read that without turning my head sideways. Stick a fork in me, I'm done. Make it done.2 -
Hiawassee88 wrote: »
During the difficult days and the months, what kept you going? There's something that we don't talk about very much, but there is a small amount of hunger involved with weight loss. It may not be much, but there are days when some hunger is there.
In all honesty, best thing? I “banked” the NSV thread so I had something to read whenever I was feeling meh about the whole thing. I have read every single one of the thousands (?) of posts over there.
Individual success stories were motivating, too.
IMHO, people don’t take advantage of these boards. My “friends feed” is pleasant and fun, and occasionally informative, but here is where I get the meat of the knowledge I need. There are some phenomenal users here that share so generously, and sometimes offer a shoulder to whine, pout or cry on.
I never had hunger. I make it a point to have multiple snacks a day, and space them and meals out every couple of hours so I have something to look forward to, even if it was just a cup of tea. Even I, the Snack Queen, can (should be able to) hold out an hour or two til the next snack, and if I can’t, I move one up and find something to keep me occupied for the next three instead.
Pre-logging helps tremendously because I know exactly what’s coming and when. It takes a lot of pressure off versus running around the kitchen, gobbling something and then panicking over how many calories I just killed.
I find chai lattes and iced coffees to be treat-like, and therefore, mentally filling. (It’s the mind that makes us nibbly. This isn’t a third world country. We don’t have “real” hunger, no matter how much we persuade ourselves we do.) I even have a special area in my diary for them, and can make a damned good one of either for under 30 calories-including a huge mound of frothed milk. The “ceremony” of making a chai, or getting the aeropress out to make the coffee makes a cup of something seem more substantial and satisfying than it really is, if that makes sense.
It also works for me to stay busy. If I have several hours clear, I fill my time with a class, walk the dog, vacuum whether it needs it or not. As long as I stay in motion, I don’t have time to worry about food. I do a lot of needlework, too. As someone wise here once said, dirty snacky fingers + needlework is icky. Or something to that effect.
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@springlering62 That was wonderful and it's here for everyone to remember.1
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Hiawassee88 wrote: »@springlering62 and @JBanx2
I have a question for you, but maybe I should ask it over at the flophouse. Why not ask it here.
It takes so long to undo what extra weight does to the body. It's virtually painless going on and painful coming off. The hard work and all of the effort, I know it's so worth it for you @springlering62
During the difficult days and the months, what kept you going? There's something that we don't talk about very much, but there is a small amount of hunger involved with weight loss. It may not be much, but there are days when some hunger is there.
I SWEAR when I first read/responded, I only saw the first line, hence the chop house remark! My bad! OK, pull up a chair, as this could get long-winded...
I've been overweight (over-fat), but never WAY over fat). I'm drawing the distinction between the two because right now, I'm overweight by medical standards (BMI), and I've been right at obese. Right now I'm definitely not overweight due to excess adipose tissue; I carry a lot more muscle mass than most women (TBH, more than most people, male or female) of my height. That said, I have been chubby a couple times in my life, including once where my mother not-so-tactfully made remarks about me needing to lose weight...ahhhhh...yes....family...gotta love them (even if you don't really like them)?
But as far as what kept me going on the HARD days, the GRIND days, the days where I was DIGGING? When I was in prep - whether for shows or photoshoot or whatever, I had that "keep your eye on the prize" thing. In prep, at some point along the way, every morning I'd sharpie the back of my hand with how many days out I was. "THIS is how much longer..." and I KNEW that yeah, after that, I could ease up - not go completely hog wild and inhale everything in sight indefinitely, but that I was working toward a VERY specific goal, and once I achieved that, I could let my foot off the gas, coast a little bit, get a little comfortable, and be good.
I made meal prep, or at least the foods that I did prep, to be something I enjoyed. I planned them out - at a certain point I had to forgo more calorie-dense sources of protein (LOTS of chicken, tilapia, etc...), but picking my meats, picking my veggies, "theme-ing" big batches (eg, a spicy Thai-style noodle dish), finding flavor combos that I like. A good deal of research backs up incorporating more bland foods due to satiety reasons, but that's just one area where I personally kinda buck the "say-so" and do what works for me. When I got hungrier, I incorporated more volume foods like cauli rice, shiritaki noodles, etc. I drank a lot of diet sodas and flavored waters and chewed boatloads of gum. I had strategies up my sleeve that mitigated (but never nullified) the suck. When I absolutely bottomed out my calories toward the end of prep, I was going to bed hungry every night, waking up hungry every morning. I was never full. I would eat a meal and still be hungry, just LESS hungry than I had been 5 minutes prior. And you don't even wanna talk about "hangry"!
Contest prep truly is controlled starvation. Women experience the female athlete triad - loss of menstrual cycles, loss of bone density, massive hormonal shifts. Men also can tank their testosterone - many (natural; guys on gear are a different story) male bodybuilders won't be able to get an erection toward the end; when you are literally starving, your body isn't gonna allow you to try to procreate. Coaches (for both M & F) will have you track libido.
Photoshoot prep didn't get that extreme - I got down to approx 3 weeks out condition; I was digging and it sucked but...there's a goal on the horizon.
Obviously now I'm not in a deficit like that; I'm in maintenance. I hang out in a fairly comfortable range - I am able to indulge (pizza last night when kiddo had friends spend the night, donuts this morning afterwards, a beer with homemade cottage pie for dinner tonight), but within moderation. I meal prepped this morning, for every meal I'll eat at work this week, still loads of veggies and lean meats (but a couple days with some fattier salmon), but also some grains (rice, quinoa) and sweet potatoes etc. I continue to track, although not super-strict. I do a lot of eyeballing. Some days I may be a smidgen over, but it all balances out in the end. I train hard and I know that I "can't out train a bad diet" of course, but I lift hard and heavy (but smart - I base my training on scientific principles and do my best to program intelligently) and the additional muscle I carry is beneficial in multiple ways in that regard.
I'm not really sure that answered your question or if I just kind of went on some sort of random wordy romp through my brain (uh, did I mention beer tonight?), so if I went in completely the wrong direction from what you were looking for, gimme a poke and I'll see if I can steer it back...6 -
Okay so I’ve been to the doctors and they were going to send me to a morbidly obese center to talk about weight loss surgery or a health plan diet nutritionalist to help; no insurance so surgery is out of the question I’ve had a check up not long ago with blood work and everything came back normal. No sugar issues no high blood pressure and no high cholesterol. My organs function normal and my heart sounds great. That being said I’m lucky maybe undeservingly so and I shouldn’t take it for granted, also no thyroid issues either. Anyways it’s time to make a change and I’m glad I have you guys to help. I struggle with my legs swelling and the water blisters and I know in need to drink more water. I can do this I have to9
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@JBanx256 A photo of yourself might help to show context and explain your description of hunger and hanger, since you maintain an extremely low body fat %.
It would also help explain how you are in the “overweight” category. Beleive me!!!! You would NEVER look at this woman and have the word “overweight” in your mind.
My experience has been nothing like hers, but then again, I’m not exactly show or photo shoot material, nor do I desire to be, unless there’s an “easy” button!
I love her description of eating pizza with the kids, followed by doughnuts. Every Sunday morning is Donut Day here, an excuse to go have a big honking apple fritter and let doggo hang his head out the window for the ride. It’s our little hour-long holiday here every week. Most fridays we go for pizza, shawarma or Mexican for lunch, and have a super light dinner. We both (husband and I) manage to fit these things within our calorie budgets.
You have to have fun once in a while, or you’d go nuts- not matter how much you love cottage cheese and blueberries with balsamic.Bittertraaman wrote: »lI’ve had a check up not long ago with blood work and everything came back normal. No sugar issues no high blood pressure and no high cholesterol. My organs function normal and my heart sounds great. That being said I’m lucky maybe undeservingly so and I shouldn’t take it for granted, also no thyroid issues either. Anyways it’s time to make a change and I’m glad I have you guys to help.
I was lucky like that. And yet I got bigger and bigger and bigger. One day I realized “damn, Momma’s been bedridden for years due to weight and related issues and Dad can’t get out of the Barcolounger because he hasn’t cared for himself, either”. I saw the handwriting on the wall.
It’s so easy to fool or rationalize to ourselves with good test results. Sticking our head in the sand (we were all too fat to put them elsewhere, lol) was a family trait. 🤷🏻♀️2 -
Appreciate all of that, @JBanx256 I'm in awe of the process and pressure that's involved. You do remind me of a famous French warrior, circa 1430. Joan d'Banx256
@Bittertraaman Youth is on your side and so are we. Don't try to drop it like it's hot. That's overcompensation. Don't bite off more than you can chew by overwhelming yourself. Keep your head engaged and moderate your portions. Consistently.
Dieting hacks and shortcuts are plumb loco. They might be more exciting than tracking your data points, but they'll make you nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake.
@springlering62 I think of Springer Mtn, GA, every time I see your name. I do know a thing or two about fruitcakes. I have relatives who worked at a famous fruitcake company in GA. 🥰2 -
Springer Mountain is a couple of hours north, but their chicken is a hot menu item ‘round here.
Springlering is a very obscure Tolkien reference. The word appears only one time in Lord of the Rings, as the name of the dance the Hobbits do at the Party Tree. But it’s such a lovely word. Just rolls off the tongue- once you realize it’s not “spring le’ring”.
I’ve specified when my time comes, I’d like my pyre to include a fresh copy of LOTR, all my Oingo Boingo albums and CDs, and my battered copy of The Collected Short Stories of E M Forster.
👍🏻
@Hiawassee88 One of BL’s lingering regrets about weight loss is giving up Claxton fruitcakes. He picked one up last Christmas and put it down with tears in his eyes.3 -
springlering62 wrote: »@JBanx256 A photo of yourself might help to show context and explain your description of hunger and hanger, since you maintain an extremely low body fat %.
It would also help explain how you are in the “overweight” category. Beleive me!!!! You would NEVER look at this woman and have the word “overweight” in your mind.
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A couple photos taken this past Saturday (I do a bi-weekly self check-in), 09/10/22 morning:
These are photos in maintenance & are roughly 12-ish pounds up from the condition I dieted down into for my photoshoot (if you can see my profile pic, that was from 03/12 of this year after a pretty hard (but not insane) 10-week cut)
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@JBanx256 Awesome is an understatement. Exquisite perfection.
@springlering62 Synchronicity. Bing. That's the one. When I tell people I'm related to fruitcakes, they have no idea. 🤣😂1 -
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Welcome Travis, congrats on the bloodwork and all that goes with it. The first few responses on page 1 of this post had some great suggestions. Personally, tracking/journaling and walking is what has worked best for me with a little lifting. I find the Success Stories with pictures to be inspirational reading. Find what works best for you. Stick around, follow/friend some members, read some threads, stay the course and be good to yourself.
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Hey there @Bittertraaman,
Well done for taking that first big step. My first and probably biggest piece of advice i had learnt was the weightloss game starts in your head. Food though only a fraction of the battle can be sorted out eventually, and exercise can be learnt and incorporated into your new life style. But above all your mental state, will power and positivity will start you on your journey. You've got this, and your MFP family has got you, we can do this 😁1 -
I wanted to get in here and thank all of you who were kind enough and cared enough to read my post and reply it was all very useful to me. Your all much appreciated. So update on things I don’t drink regular soda anymore it’s zero sugar I drink and occasionally like the zero calorie sugar koolsid you spray in water and I don’t think it’s really helped much as I’ve been doing it for awhile now so I think nunnery step is going all in on water and drinking a lot of it. I’m in pain a lot and do tend to lose my breath quicker so I’m trying to figure out maybe start walking a short distance and increasing it weekly I’d something5
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@Bittertraaman Find a swimming pool. If you don't know how to swim, walk around in shallow end. Hang onto the sides and kick your legs. Use floatation boards, one under each arm and move across the pool. Get your momentum going and when you finish in the pool, you will feel so much better. Water is good medicine. Relax in the hot pool.5
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Hiawassee88 wrote: »@Bittertraaman Find a swimming pool. If you don't know how to swim, walk around in shallow end. Hang onto the sides and kick your legs. Use floatation boards, one under each arm and move across the pool. Get your momentum going and when you finish in the pool, you will feel so much better. Water is good medicine. Relax in the hot pool.
Believe me @Bittertraaman this is an excellent idea, if you haven't been active in a while your joints and body will thank you for it. Low impact exercising is great for getting your muscles and joints moving while working on improving your heart health.
Also short bouts of walking multiple times a day, work your way up. Its not a race, its a lifestyle change3 -
100% yes. I started swimming back in Feb cause I was too big to do anything else. It's September 14 and I'm now running8
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