Carnivore Craz
Iron_Lion51
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Decided to give this a test drive and see what all the craze is. I don't like fruits and veg to begin with and just need to cut out my ice cream and Whoopers!!!
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Day 2 and doing great, starting weight was 211, this morning was 209. Must likely water but 2 pds is 2 pds0
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Day 3 doing great, dealing in exactly how I like to do this1
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Are you doing it because of existing health issues, which is the primary driver for people doing it, or just for weight loss, curious. cheers.1
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Curious - what does a-day-in-the-life now look for you now (diet)? How does it differ from what you use to consume?2
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Day 5 Starts with a butter coffee, then at noonish 2 steaks, lift at 5 and maybe some eggs before bed at 9.started at 211 and this morning I was 207. Need to hit 181 on Sept 16th for a Powerlifting meet.1
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Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable6
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Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but the bulk of people using this diet are seeing tremendous health improvements and are drawn to this diet because of that. Doing it just for weight loss, is well, probably not a plan just based on adherence. Also, you could say the same regarding the vegan diet where overall health is in question, and maybe adding some animal product could make the diet more healthy. Cheers.2 -
I have tried it before. Not for weight loss but to correct some major digestive issues. Eliminating fibre completely is wonderful for me. After years of being told my pain and slow digestion would be corrected with more fibre to move things along. Getting rid of it has me the least bloated and the most regular(approx every second day, which is a massive improvement for me) than I have ever been. Even in childhood. I mostly stick to keto but if I suspect my variety of veggies is causing discomfort I will go back to carnivore a few days to reduce the bloat and inflammation. My doc is happy and is one of the good ones who realizes that there is no risk with meat and the associated fat content. And for what it’s worth: my cholesterol was always high and I was threatened with meds in my 20s while eating whole grains, fruits, veg, limited meat, etc. have been keto for 5+ years now with some carnivore and a few weeks here and there of SAD and my cholesterol is perfect.5
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neanderthin wrote: »Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but the bulk of people using this diet are seeing tremendous health improvements and are drawn to this diet because of that. Doing it just for weight loss, is well, probably not a plan just based on adherence. Also, you could say the same regarding the vegan diet where overall health is in question, and maybe adding some animal product could make the diet more healthy. Cheers.
A vegan diet CAN be complete when the person knows how to get adequate and proper nutrition. B12 and other essentials, which often are also falling short in omnivore diets, should be either supplementary or in nutritional yeast. Really, the best plan is what works for each person.
There are a lot of vital vegans and carnivores that are getting results,however a long term affect of any plan is the question.
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neanderthin wrote: »Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but the bulk of people using this diet are seeing tremendous health improvements and are drawn to this diet because of that. Doing it just for weight loss, is well, probably not a plan just based on adherence. Also, you could say the same regarding the vegan diet where overall health is in question, and maybe adding some animal product could make the diet more healthy. Cheers.
A vegan diet CAN be complete when the person knows how to get adequate and proper nutrition. B12 and other essentials, which often are also falling short in omnivore diets, should be either supplementary or in nutritional yeast. Really, the best plan is what works for each person.
There are a lot of vital vegans and carnivores that are getting results,however a long term affect of any plan is the question.
Smiles
I can at least understand to a point a vegan stance on animal welfare, but health, not in the least. Vegans do need to
completely understand nutrition for the duration they are vegan in order to stay healthy, and that is a big ask or they will eventually find the consequences very unpleasant and possibly life threatening.
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is it funny that this diet doesn't need supplements,1
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neanderthin wrote: »Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but the bulk of people using this diet are seeing tremendous health improvements and are drawn to this diet because of that. Doing it just for weight loss, is well, probably not a plan just based on adherence. Also, you could say the same regarding the vegan diet where overall health is in question, and maybe adding some animal product could make the diet more healthy. Cheers.
A vegan diet CAN be complete when the person knows how to get adequate and proper nutrition. B12 and other essentials, which often are also falling short in omnivore diets, should be either supplementary or in nutritional yeast. Really, the best plan is what works for each person.
There are a lot of vital vegans and carnivores that are getting results,however a long term affect of any plan is the question.
Smiles
Long term>Short term
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tomcustombuilder wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but the bulk of people using this diet are seeing tremendous health improvements and are drawn to this diet because of that. Doing it just for weight loss, is well, probably not a plan just based on adherence. Also, you could say the same regarding the vegan diet where overall health is in question, and maybe adding some animal product could make the diet more healthy. Cheers.
Long term>Short term
I know plenty of vegans who are much olde and healthy, been vegan most of their life. Excess protein has been linked to cancers, heart disease, diabetes and other consequences.1 -
I suggest you do your own research rather than quote totally wrong and misleading information vegjoyP. This does sound like something directly from a vegan source that purposely gives out disinformation. It's not a good look for vegans. Why do you feel you need to convert people that consume meat, anyway that was rhetorical, cheers.
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Iron_Lion51 wrote: »is it funny that this diet doesn't need supplements,
Disclosing: I'm not carnivore, but I am low/er carb.
Depends. If someone eats head to tail as they say, then all the essential vitamins and minerals are there. Depending on what someone on a carnivore diet is eating could some vitamins and minerals be optimized and of course the answer would be yes, you could supplement to optimize, again depending on what your consuming. Bone broth imo is essential for collagen, amino's like glutamine and arginine and numerous other health benefits. I consume beef and chicken broth and suggest you do for it's many benefits. Fish and other aquatic is important for omegas especially DHA and oysters for things like B12, vitamin D, copper, zinc, and manganese. Anyway the list of essential vitamins and minerals in animal products are some of the best sources available and the best for bioavailability, which is mostly under appreciated and misunderstood.
Beef liver is the powerhouse in this regard and offal generally speaking but most people especially North America have never warmed up to the idea as much as Europe has and especially Asia. I mean lamb and goat in NA almost doesn't even show up on the radar at all let alone weird things like spleens, heart, kidney and brain, oh my, not going to happen here lol. On a personal note, I do consume offal weekly.
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Well I'm 70, haven't had as much as a cold since 1984, muscular, lots of energy and love meat. and rarely see vegan men that look healthy. Your claims are unfounded and have been proven false time and time again...tomcustombuilder wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but the bulk of people using this diet are seeing tremendous health improvements and are drawn to this diet because of that. Doing it just for weight loss, is well, probably not a plan just based on adherence. Also, you could say the same regarding the vegan diet where overall health is in question, and maybe adding some animal product could make the diet more healthy. Cheers.
Long term>Short term
I know plenty of vegans who are much olde and healthy, been vegan most of their life. Excess protein has been linked to cancers, heart disease, diabetes and other consequences.0 -
tomcustombuilder wrote: »
Well I'm 70, haven't had as much as a cold since 1984, muscular, lots of energy and love meat. and rarely see vegan men that look healthy. Your claims are unfounded and have been proven false time and time again...tomcustombuilder wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »Honestly this sounds quite unhealthy in the long run for heart, cholesyterol, digestion, mineral and vitamins and over all health. Getting results from a method does not equate to the method being wise. I amnot trying to undermine your enthusiasm but I have seen this so many times. I would at LEAST add spinach, broccoli, or other nutrient dense vegetable
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but the bulk of people using this diet are seeing tremendous health improvements and are drawn to this diet because of that. Doing it just for weight loss, is well, probably not a plan just based on adherence. Also, you could say the same regarding the vegan diet where overall health is in question, and maybe adding some animal product could make the diet more healthy. Cheers.
Long term>Short term
I know plenty of vegans who are much olde and healthy, been vegan most of their life. Excess protein has been linked to cancers, heart disease, diabetes and other consequences.
Excuse me but zI have done a plethora of research and have several doctors who support my WFPB life. Yes, sorry but there are healthy thriving vegans. Idk why I am even entertained this because it'd so typical a carnivore and vegan will not see eye to eye. My suggestion is you do your thing and I will do mine. We can go back and forth for months with no resolve.2 -
This is basically a relabeled Keto diet good luck on your heart health with this.1
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This is basically a relabeled Keto diet good luck on your heart health with this.
It's called ketovore, please try and keep the nomenclature correct for posterity sake. This was a common diet during the Paleolithic where archeologists uncovered a walmart and some of the food was still well preserved, facinating really. Cheers2 -
Iron_Lion51 wrote: »Day 5 Starts with a butter coffee, then at noonish 2 steaks, lift at 5 and maybe some eggs before bed at 9.started at 211 and this morning I was 207. Need to hit 181 on Sept 16th for a Powerlifting meet.
That's completely lacking in offal, which means you are missing out on valuable nutrients - not a good plan long term.neanderthin wrote: »Iron_Lion51 wrote: »is it funny that this diet doesn't need supplements,
Disclosing: I'm not carnivore, but I am low/er carb.
Depends. If someone eats head to tail as they say, then all the essential vitamins and minerals are there. Depending on what someone on a carnivore diet is eating could some vitamins and minerals be optimized and of course the answer would be yes, you could supplement to optimize, again depending on what your consuming. Bone broth imo is essential for collagen, amino's like glutamine and arginine and numerous other health benefits. I consume beef and chicken broth and suggest you do for it's many benefits. Fish and other aquatic is important for omegas especially DHA and oysters for things like B12, vitamin D, copper, zinc, and manganese. Anyway the list of essential vitamins and minerals in animal products are some of the best sources available and the best for bioavailability, which is mostly under appreciated and misunderstood.
Beef liver is the powerhouse in this regard and offal generally speaking but most people especially North America have never warmed up to the idea as much as Europe has and especially Asia. I mean lamb and goat in NA almost doesn't even show up on the radar at all let alone weird things like spleens, heart, kidney and brain, oh my, not going to happen here lol. On a personal note, I do consume offal weekly.
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Iron_Lion51 wrote: »is it funny that this diet doesn't need supplements,
If your sources aren't mentioning the need to consume offal, you need better sources.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Iron_Lion51 wrote: »Day 5 Starts with a butter coffee, then at noonish 2 steaks, lift at 5 and maybe some eggs before bed at 9.started at 211 and this morning I was 207. Need to hit 181 on Sept 16th for a Powerlifting meet.
That's completely lacking in offal, which means you are missing out on valuable nutrients - not a good plan long term.neanderthin wrote: »Iron_Lion51 wrote: »is it funny that this diet doesn't need supplements,
Disclosing: I'm not carnivore, but I am low/er carb.
Depends. If someone eats head to tail as they say, then all the essential vitamins and minerals are there. Depending on what someone on a carnivore diet is eating could some vitamins and minerals be optimized and of course the answer would be yes, you could supplement to optimize, again depending on what your consuming. Bone broth imo is essential for collagen, amino's like glutamine and arginine and numerous other health benefits. I consume beef and chicken broth and suggest you do for it's many benefits. Fish and other aquatic is important for omegas especially DHA and oysters for things like B12, vitamin D, copper, zinc, and manganese. Anyway the list of essential vitamins and minerals in animal products are some of the best sources available and the best for bioavailability, which is mostly under appreciated and misunderstood.
Beef liver is the powerhouse in this regard and offal generally speaking but most people especially North America have never warmed up to the idea as much as Europe has and especially Asia. I mean lamb and goat in NA almost doesn't even show up on the radar at all let alone weird things like spleens, heart, kidney and brain, oh my, not going to happen here lol. On a personal note, I do consume offal weekly.
It's possible I suspect, simply because dietary needs are also unique to the individual, and that was one particular day but in a general population of carnivore way, all the essentials are there, nothing fortified or enriched and basically whole foods with the exception of dairy, cheese, honey, that kind of thing, which are processed so it's difficult to assess. Personally I would be eating offal and the majority do just to hedge the bet.0 -
I lost weight doing this about 20 years ago. I did very low carb for about 8 months once. There is no question that it makes you immediately lose weight. It has a well-known diuretic effect (search "keto or low-carb diuretic"). What this means is that you can lose several pounds in the very first week of doing this and you will gain it back quickly as soon as you add the carbs back.
So, what's the downside of very-low-carb? Well, it can throw off your electrolyte balance, make you constipated, and you can't do much aerobic activity. All of that can be mitigated and it seems to affect people differently.
And, you can very well lose weight just by limiting calories, which usually limits carbs to a large degree, just not necessarily to the "very low" range.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Iron_Lion51 wrote: »is it funny that this diet doesn't need supplements,
If your sources aren't mentioning the need to consume offal, you need better sources.
Offal is animal, and therefore it does supply all the essentials and it's hard to tell from 1 days food consumption if the OP is or isn't consuming offal. And my criticism is based on the fact that if someone doesn't consume offal that Vit C might be deficient but seafood has decent Vit C as well but the jury is out on that one but at this time I'm not convinced 100% if the amount that is available without offal will cause a deficiency which has to do with the GLUT-1 transport receptors upregulation of vit C in the absence of carbohydrates or basically dietary glucose. Cheers.1 -
Jthanmyfitnesspal wrote: »I lost weight doing this about 20 years ago. I did very low carb for about 8 months once. There is no question that it makes you immediately lose weight. It has a well-known diuretic effect (search "keto or low-carb diuretic"). What this means is that you can lose several pounds in the very first week of doing this and you will gain it back quickly as soon as you add the carbs back.
So, what's the downside of very-low-carb? Well, it can throw off your electrolyte balance, make you constipated, and you can't do much aerobic activity. All of that can be mitigated and it seems to affect people differently.
And, you can very well lose weight just by limiting calories, which usually limits carbs to a large degree, just not necessarily to the "very low" range.
My water weight has been accounted for, about 12 years ago and yep, water weight comes back when more carbs are consumed but if a person gains all their weight back assuming they were on a low carb diet more than a month, it's because they're eating too much, you know the CICO thing. A low carb diet deals with real whole foods, the salt content is very low and salt needs to be supplemented or your electrolytes will be effected and most people that give low carb a go without doing any research before hand will find that out the hard way. Cheers
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Well, I'm still dropping weight slowly like I needed to, Started a while back at 219 and now at 205.
I need to get my weight to 181 for a powerlifting comp on Sept 16. So dropping at 1 to 2 percent per week I will hit that goal. Strength is slowing going up, I'm following the 5/3/1 method and ever month gaining 5 to 10 pounds of strength on my main lifts. I have been having doctor appointments ever 30 days Since November because I totaled my motorcycle and broke the ribs on my right side and had a 60% collapse lung. Blood work all normal, B/P consistent at 120/70 even directly after the accident. Doctors were amazed at my quick recover. The only thing is healing the intercoastal muscles and obloquies because the were turn and cut for chest tube.
All I can say this working and has worked in the past. I feel great!!!0 -
One anther thing i have been eating 1.5 pds of fatty beef in the morning and 1.5 pds in the early evenings.
Sleep has been deep and restful.
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Down to 197 and feeling better then ever and my strengh is slowly moving upward with all my lifts 😘0
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Great!
Have you started consuming offal?0
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