Addiction a disease?
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I was speaking to a gym member and one the things he brought up was he had a hard time losing weight because he was suffering from the disease of food addiction.
I don't consider food addiction a disease because if the person doesn't eat there's no disease. I consider any addiction a disorder and not a disease.
Your thoughts?
I don't consider food addiction a disease because if the person doesn't eat there's no disease. I consider any addiction a disorder and not a disease.
Your thoughts?
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You bring up a good point.... though..... when you say that "if a person doesn't eat, there is no disease," how do you feel about Alcoholism? Is it a disease? But yet, "If a person doesn't drink, there is no disease."
Note: I'm really NOT trying to be a smart *kitten*. I'm just curious to the response. Thanks!0 -
Its a way for American doctors to sign off and give excuses for our fatness ;(
I agree with you.0 -
I don't wanna sound mean but I think addiction is just people that are too weak to stop doing whatever it is that there "addicted" to. Canser is a disease,in my opinion eating,drugs,drinking ect.,isn't!0
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Its a way for American doctors to sign off and give excuses for our fatness ;(
I agree with you.
You make a solid point. Overeating like over drinking or drugging is an addiction. Cancer and Parkinson's are examples of disease, very big difference. Don't get me wrong addictions are serious and can be forms of suicide but calling them a disease is just not right....0 -
I agree, I think its more of a disorder than disease.0
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This is an area I actually struggle to understand. Curious to hear responses.0
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I don't wanna sound mean but I think addiction is just people that are too weak to stop doing whatever it is that there "addicted" to. Canser is a disease,in my opinion eating,drugs,drinking ect.,isn't!
I agree to about 95% of your opinion. yet, the small part of me inside says that there IS treatment for Overeating, drugs, drinking etc, so it should be labeled as a "medical issue." Whether the treatment is taken care of by the person's self, or a medical official, there's "Treatment" involved. MFP, IMO, is a treatment, for those of us who need to NOT overeat.0 -
You bring up a good point.... though..... when you say that "if a person doesn't eat, there is no disease," how do you feel about Alcoholism? Is it a disease? But yet, "If a person doesn't drink, there is no disease."
Note: I'm really NOT trying to be a smart *kitten*. I'm just curious to the response. Thanks!
If you google this, you discover that its a modern way of thinking, a medical theory that explains away the addiction to the person being wired wrong.
Personally, I think these are both fine examples of the same thing. If the alcoholic, or fat person, were to watch themselves, they wouldn't have become addicted. There is a difference between an addiction and a disease in my mind. I would never take medicine for something like a food addiction "disease". My boyfriend would say they need to man up like how everybody in MFP is trying to do. WE ALL KNOW ITS NOT EASY. It doesn't matter how fat or unhealthy we get, we have to make conscious decisions and fight the urge to eat bad foods... does this mean we are all "addicted" or that we have a "disease"? Just because our body tends to crave fatty foods, doesn't mean its a disease.0 -
I think that some people are more predisposed to addictions than others and what they choose as their vice be it, alcohol, gambling, drugs, food, etc is just a matter of preference in how there addiction is manifested. Food addiction specifically a disease, nah. People being more prone to addiction than others, yeah definitely; I believe there is research that points to that.0
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Addiction it's self is concidered a disease. So if you have an addictive personality food, sex, drink, even excercise can be an addition if it is taken to an unhealthy point.There are eating disorders too not being a doctor i am not sure what you would officially call it. I have known people that are in great shape but have a food addition where they will binge hard but you would not know it because they are in shape. Odd yeah but I guess it can happen. I don't think it is always and excuse but that is my opinon only.0
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It doesn't matter how fat or unhealthy we get, we have to make conscious decisions and fight the urge to eat bad foods...
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As a former addict,I do not consider addiction of any kind a disease. I also think its more of a disorder0
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You bring up a good point.... though..... when you say that "if a person doesn't eat, there is no disease," how do you feel about Alcoholism? Is it a disease? But yet, "If a person doesn't drink, there is no disease."
Note: I'm really NOT trying to be a smart *kitten*. I'm just curious to the response. Thanks!0 -
My father was an alcoholic, and I can't tell you how many times he was admitted to a hospital and put on medications for the withdrawals. Sometimes, the withdrawals were so bad, they just sedated him for 24-48 hours, so he could sleep through them. When he was sent home, they prescribed a lot of medication for him to take to help during the detox time, but when the medication ran out, he ran to the store for his Canadian Mist. Unfortunately, his addiction was so great that it ended up taking his life.0
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I think that some people are more predisposed to addictions than others and what they choose as their vice be it, alcohol, gambling, drugs, food, etc is just a matter of preference in how there addiction is manifested. Food addiction specifically a disease, nah. People being more prone to addiction than others, yeah definitely; I believe there is research that points to that.0
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My father was an alcoholic, and I can't tell you how many times he was admitted to a hospital and put on medications for the withdrawals. Sometimes, the withdrawals were so bad, they just sedated him for 24-48 hours, so he could sleep through them. When he was sent home, they prescribed a lot of medication for him to take to help during the detox time, but when the medication ran out, he ran to the store for his Canadian Mist. Unfortunately, his addiction was so great that it ended up taking his life.0
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Easy to get hung up on semantics. We tend to not like to label things similarly when they appear to be so different (e.g. alcoholism and leprosy are both "diseases"). Lots of research showing addictive behavior can be chemical, genetic. But the behavior looks so much like a "choice" why can't people just stop?
There is physical addiction and psychological addiction, possibly even behavioral addiction (though that might fall under psychological). Whether addiction is a disease or mental illness or psychological disorder depends on whom you ask. How it is labeled can also affect what kind of treatment an addict can get.
In 2007, Joe Biden (as senator) introduced the “Recognizing Addiction as a Disease Act” in the U.S. Senate. It didn't pass. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1011&tab=committees
The DSM-IV does not list addiction as a disease, but does talk about substance dependence and uses terms like "disorder." It uses a symptom-based definition.
The National Institue on Drug Abuse says addiction is a disease, and that genetics play as high a role as 50% of the risk of becoming addicted.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/Testimony/6-23-10Testimony.html
Tons of information and differing opinions about the labeling of addiction, addictive behavior, etc. Even recent debate about whether addiction should be called a 'brain disease.'
http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/16/why-the-new-definition-of-addiction-as-brain-disease-falls-short/
I've seen people have a difficult time accepting the ideas food addiction, love addiction, sex addiction. How can someone be addicted to something that is good, something that we need? Easy to see why this is hard to comprehend. But for the addict, often the pleasure from those behaviors is gone. Whether it's food, cocaine, relationships or sex, it's become a psychological and/or physical need. A sex addict having sex doesn't enjoy the act the way most people do. Likewise, a food addict doesn't enjoy a good meal the way some of us might.
And I think - for me, at least - that's the tipping point. That's where I would say the line between compulsive behavior and addiction begins - when there it is no longer a pleasure-motivated choice and more a function of need or dependency. It's where a person becomes a slave to the addiction, where choice really does begin to disolve.
There are smarter people that can articulate this stuff a lot better than I can. I do have fairly extensive experience with addiction (myself, family members, friends, working with groups, etc.) but my experience isn't science.
And whether you want to call it a disease, a condition, a mental disorder, whatever, I don't really care. However, I do sometimes get a whiff of judgment and even condemnation when people discuss this topic (whether addiction should called a disease), and I suspect much of the discussion is fueled by the opinion that calling addiction a "disease" lets the addict off the hook. Or that calling addiction a disease somehow minimizes "real" diseases in people's minds. I can understand that thinking. But I think it can be myopic.
I think the idea of accountability is a tricky one. It sounds so simple, right? If an adult makes a choice to do something he or she is accountable for that choice. But are there any shades of gray there? What about the mentally unstable?
The terms "addict" and "addiction" get overused. "I'm such a chocolate addict!" "Garfield is addicted to lasagna." If you want to get into the issue of accountability, it's probably crucial to distinguish between someone who has a substance abuse problem, or a psychological/behavioral disorder and someone who is truly an addict. Many of the definitions of addiction actually hinge on the point where a person loses control over choosing the behavior or not.
Some resources:
Drugs, Brains, and Behavior - The Science of Addiction
http://www.drugabuse.gov/scienceofaddiction/
Understanding Drug Abuse and Addiction
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/understand.html
What Is Addiction? What Causes Addiction?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/info/addiction/
What Is Alcohol Or Drug Addiction? Part 1 of 3 – The Medical View
http://addictionrecoverybasics.com/what-is-alcohol-or-drug-addiction-part-1-of-3-the-medical-view/
What Is Addiction?
http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/addiction
What is Addiction?
http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/definition-of-addiction.htm
Definitions & Characteristics of Addiction
http://www.alcoholanddrugabuse.com/article1.html
The Genetics of Addiction - Is Addiction a Disease?
http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/is-addiction-a-disease.htm
Addiction: A Neurological Disorder
http://www.medical-online.com/addict.htm
Treating Addiction as a Disease: The Promise of Medication-Assisted Recovery
http://www.drugabuse.gov/Testimony/6-23-10Testimony.html
Why the New Definition of Addiction, as 'Brain Disease,' Falls Short
http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/16/why-the-new-definition-of-addiction-as-brain-disease-falls-short/0 -
I think Ken made some really good points.
I also think arguing about semantics is counterproductive.0 -
Overeating and overdrinking and smoking, etc. are all addictions and all disorders. These disorders often lead to contracting various unwanted diseases. Regardless of the label, disorders and diseases are serious and require treatment.0
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Easy to get hung up on semantics.
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