Question - Why is Healthy so hard for Americans (the world i
msjamartin
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I don't have the answer to this, if I did, I would be rich and have no need to be on this site. :happy:
I've very curious and some of your answers may end up on my monthly blog Saturday.
I've been pondering this all day. Why is living healthy so hard for Americans today? Shouldn't being active and eating good quality food be normal? Why is it more appealing to overeat and be lazy? That is what we are in a nutshell as a country when it comes to our health. Where did it come from? It isn't all due to cheap ($$) fast food and media. It is a mindset that has really taken over the last 50 years. I'm curious as to your thoughts on why and ways to encourage those around us to begin changing their views.
Thanks! :flowerforyou:
I've very curious and some of your answers may end up on my monthly blog Saturday.
I've been pondering this all day. Why is living healthy so hard for Americans today? Shouldn't being active and eating good quality food be normal? Why is it more appealing to overeat and be lazy? That is what we are in a nutshell as a country when it comes to our health. Where did it come from? It isn't all due to cheap ($$) fast food and media. It is a mindset that has really taken over the last 50 years. I'm curious as to your thoughts on why and ways to encourage those around us to begin changing their views.
Thanks! :flowerforyou:
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The being active part is related to technology I think. We don't have to get up and do anything because we can do it all over the computer, or talk to friends on the phone. I don't know about the food part though. I guess companies make any kind of food so we buy it, and they make money, and they make really good tasting food.0
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For the same reason we used to have cigarette commercials done by supposed medical professionals. Money rules, and as a people we're fond of blaming other people for our own problems.0
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There are so many documentaries and articles that it almost makes a trend to anylize the issue you were wondering about.0
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First of all, that's one hell of a tar brush.
Second, the average person will always take the path of least resistance, unless other factors come in. Shall i spend over an hour cooking dinner i like, or nip to the drive thru for dinner i like? They tend to prefer the easier option.
As to WHY, well, that's got so many reasons it's hard to nail it on one thing. I really don't think you can put it down to one thing. Sure, some posters here will blame McDonalds etc, but it's really a combination of so many factors.0 -
Second, the average person will always take the path of least resistance, unless other factors come in. Shall i spend over an hour cooking dinner i like, or nip to the drive thru for dinner i like? They tend to prefer the easier option.0 -
I think it is because mothers have to work outside the home now. They are not staying home making good food, having the children go outside and play instead of watching tv or playing video games. Moms and dads are too tired to go outside and play with the children. It is easier to "plug" them in, give them a cookie and be on their way. Going to McDonald's or BK used to be a treat, not something you could just pick up on your way home, or drive thru for lunch or breakfast for that matter. And not to mention, there are so many single parents, that it is easy to open a box of mac and cheese, or a canned good to feed the family instead of taking the time to prepare a hearty meal after working your two or three jobs to pay the bills. Don't get me wrong, I am all about women's lib...but our society created a few lazy generations and there will be more to follow.0
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I`m in the UK but I would imagine it is the same in the USA...
Food tastes good..you don`t have to hunt for it..we go out to eat socially.
It is so readily available fast food/take away/tv dinners
We eat when sad/happy it is not about eating for hunger.
I would imagine none of the people on MFP have ever experienced genuine hunger.
So it is all about control IMHO0 -
Let's see...
The break down of the family unit in our culture?
The fact that most un-natural foods are scientifically designed to make you want more or become addicted?
The fact that modern women like myself have forgone our ancestral role of taking care of animals, gathering, sowing and rolling dough for a 40+ hours a week job at a desk?
The instutionalization of our young people and their cafeteria lunch meals?
The sociological exchange of community for television that occured in the late 50's - early 60's?
You should try college, you would learn a lot and have a better idea of what the anwser to this question really is.0 -
IMO it's because Americans have it way easier than the rest of the world. To be able to go around the corner and get any food you practically want for a cheap price makes it easy to gain weight. If you look at "days of yore", Kings and royalty showed part of their success by becoming gluttons of food. I don't know if subconsciously we've adapted that, but it's not just in American culture. In Pacific Islander culture it was the same. All the skinny people had to work, while the overweight and obese were deemed RICH. So maybe we identify with food on this level. Look around the world and the poorest nations have the skinniest people.0
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It's not just Americans, it's all of North America, Canadians too. When I lived overseas in Asia, I lost weight without trying as I was overweight when I went there. AFter living there a year, I wasn't overweight any more. I never tried to lose weight, but I didn't watch TV, didn't drive a car (I rode a bike) and ate a basic diet containing rice, fish, a little sea vegetable and that was pretty much it. Little bread, no beef and no junk food, no fruit. We didn't have any American style fast food take out in our whole city, (except ONE McDonalds), so the take out there was healthy. I never cooked and I ate out most of the time. Every weekend I'd ride my bike to the shops and try on jeans and the size just kept getting smaller. It was wierd. I think once home, I waste a lot of time where I'd be 'out and about' being active, being sedentary just sitting or riding. I walked or biked everywhere and even riding the trains was a bit of exercise as you're standing most of the time. It's a whole different lifestyle.0
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A real can of worms, this! As others have stated, it's a complicated issue with MANY factors being involved. However, it must be said: This IS NOT just a problem with Americans!
In some countries it is a sign of wealth to be overweight. So in that, it is cultural.
In the US, we don't walk anywhere!! I lived in the UK for awhile. I did a lot more walking because gas was so expensive! Public transportation was also much easier to use.
Technology plays another big part.
But let's face it... we are lazy. In all aspects... we are just plain LAZY.0 -
My answer to that... I actually meant to blog about it before now. Americans developed this habit as a result of the Great Depression. This is my own musing based on experience with my family. My grandmother was born in 1927 to poor parents (farmers) who already had 5 other children. She grew up in scarcity. For them, it was a sin to waste food. If, for any reason, they wasted food they were often punished. Of course, eventually the American economy prospered, but those values and perceptions of food were already instilled in her. Naturally, she passed those values on to her children. Then, her children had their children during the age of decadence and prosperity (the 1980's). The children of the 80's knew not how to want for anything, but at the same time, their parents continued to pass on their traditional values about food. As a previous poster stated, technology, another key indicator of our economic prosperity since the Great Depression, has also contributed by decreasing our activity levels. Inevitably, this all has led to each generation becoming even more obese than the one before it. Our generation has to be the one to stop this before the vicious cycle claims our children. The best way to teach is the most obvious, to lead by example.
These are my thoughts on the subject. I, in no way, blame my parents or grandparents for this. No one really has the foresight to predict the future, and they did the best they could to teach us what they thought was best.0 -
IMHO, I think there are multiple issues. One of the issues is that unhealthy food is generally less expensive and faster to prepare...which factors in especially in a society where both parents have to work,and even then sometimes there is not enough money. It's also an issue of portion sizes being blown out of control...the typical restaurant serves 2-3 times the amount of food you should eat in one sitting, so that people will perceive they are getting a good value for their money.
Another reality is that fat, sugar, and salt make food taste good, and with the epidemic of depression and stress in our country a lot of people are self soothing with food. And yes, some people are just plain lazy. Others of us tried to start ourselves thin and just ended up screwing up our metabolism.0 -
Let's see...
The break down of the family unit in our culture?
The fact that most un-natural foods are scientifically designed to make you want more or become addicted?
The fact that modern women like myself have forgone our ancestral role of taking care of animals, gathering, sowing and rolling dough for a 40+ hours a week job at a desk?
The instutionalization of our young people and their cafeteria lunch meals?
The sociological exchange of community for television that occured in the late 50's - early 60's?
You should try college, you would learn a lot and have a better idea of what the anwser to this question really is.
I think it is pretty rude and inconsiderate to make the assumption that the OP did not go to college! :mad:0 -
You should try college, you would learn a lot and have a better idea of what the anwser to this question really is.
FYI - I'm not asking because I don't have any opinions or thoughts on these questions. I'm wanting your thoughts and opinions to add to my own.
(Not that it really matter but I have a Master's degree, though not in health and nutrition. My years at university were very informative and wonderful. Just wish my loans would go away.)0 -
but our society created a few lazy generations and there will be more to followIMO it's because Americans have it way easier than the rest of the world.
Some decent thought out answers in here, as well as a lot of BS that society and the news feeds the world.
The facts are Freedom of Choice, Greed, and Society. Feel free to debate this, but before you do...recognize this...
We have the Choice to be greedy, or not at an individual level. In turn, our own views on Greed impact the wants and needs of Society. When Society chooses Greed, comes Propserity. Prosperity has allowed the conditioning of everyone to accept that laziness is OK. It's not just Americans, though we lead the world in overweight population due to the many years of being one of the leading societies. The biggest issue within this is that humankind has been conditioned for centuries...changing Society's outlook and to recondition....will take take longer than you or I to see.
For those that think it's technology, you're a fool. You CHOOSE to be active or inactive. You CHOOSE what you eat or dont eat. Begin the change with yourself...0 -
but our society created a few lazy generations and there will be more to followIMO it's because Americans have it way easier than the rest of the world.
Some decent thought out answers in here, as well as a lot of BS that society and the news feeds the world.
The facts are Freedom of Choice, Greed, and Society. Feel free to debate this, but before you do...recognize this...
We have the Choice to be greedy, or not at an individual level. In turn, our own views on Greed impact the wants and needs of Society. When Society chooses Greed, comes Propserity. Prosperity has allowed the conditioning of everyone to accept that laziness is OK. It's not just Americans, though we lead the world in overweight population due to the many years of being one of the leading societies. The biggest issue within this is that humankind has been conditioned for centuries...changing Society's outlook and to recondition....will take take longer than you or I to see.
For those that think it's technology, you're a fool. You CHOOSE to be active or inactive. You CHOOSE what you eat or dont eat. Begin the change with yourself...
Hope you don't take this the wrong way cause I totally agree with you but...
for some reason your post sounds so Marxist to me. LOL!0 -
From what I've seen in food diaries, it seems that in America you have a much wider variety of foods to aid you in eating healthily than we do over here. But then I think there are also more temptations.
I guess it depends on where exactly you are, but in the supermarkets where I live there aren't so many heavily processed pre-packaged foods. It seems more simple. But the French do love cooking from scratch - they even make you do it yourself in restaurants! (fondue, raclette, pierrade, reblochonnade)0 -
Portion size has alot to do with it. Restaurant portion size, I mean.0
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But the French do love cooking from scratch - they even make you do it yourself in restaurants! (fondue, raclette, pierrade, reblochonnade)
Why do those sound soooooo fabulous?!?!?!?!0 -
One thing I always "blame" is the design of most cities here: widely spread out and very distanced from one point to the other. Unless you live in downtown, there is really an absolute need for a car. Side walks are not very common in lots of cities except a few. I have been to New York and I didn't see many over weight people walking. LOL0
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But the French do love cooking from scratch - they even make you do it yourself in restaurants! (fondue, raclette, pierrade, reblochonnade)
Why do those sound soooooo fabulous?!?!?!?!
To be fair, a pierrade isn't that bad - but it comes with loads of delicious sauces and heaps of potatoes that are hard to resist.0 -
Way to kick a hornet's nest
Sorry in advance for the novel!Why is living healthy so hard for Americans today?
Because most of us don't have a lifestyle which allows for a lot of activity. We sit in a car to get from our homes to work and back because most of us live too far away from our jobs to ride a bike or walk, and even if we didn't live too far I don't know of a whole lot of people who have shower facilities at their offices.
Because we don't have someone whose sole job it is to make sure we get healthy food for each meal. We have to balance that job in addition to the one that pays the mortgage. Add onto that the fact that some (a lot of?) people also have children to raise. Three full time jobs = you have to cut corners somewhere.
Because of marketing (I have a marketing degree, so yes I'm bashing myself). "You need THIS" and "All the happy, satisfied people buy THAT" and "You need to have a home that looks like THIS." So we work ourselves to the bone doing mental labor - very few urban Americans have physically hard jobs - to be able to afford the "best" and it's never good enough so we overspend and overstress trying to reach for things that are always juuuuuuuuuust out of our reach. I'm not knocking capitalism, just the "YOU MUST SPEND TO BE HAPPY" mentality being shoved down our throats.Shouldn't being active and eating good quality food be normal?
In an ideal world, suuuuuuuuuure.
However, this is my normal:
I spend at least 30 minutes in my car driving to/from my job where I sit for 8-9 hours each day typing and answering phone calls and dealing with deadlines. I leave work, fight traffic, get home to a house that always needs something cleaned/fixed, go back and forth with hubby about what to make for dinner, take the dog for a walk, take a shower, help with dinner, do the dishes, pick out clothes for the next day (if I'm feeling ambitious!), do a load of laundry, try to catch some sort of "downtime" because I'm mentally exhausted from my day so I watch a tv show, log my food/excercise since I left work, check personal email, try to have a phone convo w/ one of my parents or a friend or a real convo w/ the hubby, and then get in bed to do the whole thing the next day. And I don't even have kids!
It seems like this - or some similar variation - is "normal" for most Americans. I have to try very hard to work any sort of activity into my day. I've managed to make walking/running with my dog an almost daily thing, but it's getting dark earlier now and I don't feel comfortable going to night runs where I live. I've got a treadmill, but I feel like a rat in a cage on that thing even when I'm watching TV and walking/running. Also my dog is going to hate not being able to go on our walksWhy is it more appealing to overeat and be lazy?
I think that you are categorically insulting people, but I don't think that you mean to.
When you're ALWAYS going going going, it's really hard to make "healthy" decisions.
Which is the healthier choice here:
A - Sitting on the couch catching up with your significant other or child for 30 minutes.
B - Going out for a 30 minute run but making your family member feel ignored and unloved.
C - There is no C. Stop looking here - you have to pick A or B! Sometimes you don't have the option to take that person with you on your workout. Yes, that would be ideal, but not always possible.
Also, it's not necessarily the overeating that bites people in the butt, IMHO - it's the quality of food that they're consuming because they're frazzled and don't want to spend hours chopping and preparing food. They want a meal that comes out of the freezer and onto the table in 30 minutes or (hopefully!) less. I'm sure most people would eat healthier if they didn't have to spend $5 on a veggie that is going to go bad in 2 days. I know that I've gotten so ticked and frustrated at myself for going shopping on a Monday with a "Let's eat more veggies this week!" attitude and filling my buggy up with fresh (and expensive!) foods only to find by Wednesday half of the stuff is questionable at best.
I think that overall, Americans are just ignorant (ignorant =/= dumb, if that word offended you please go look it up) of basic nutrition and exercise principles.
We aren't taught how to eat healthy. We're given zero nutritional education except from our parents, but if our parents don't teach us, we're screwed. Yes, I think most people know that a salad is healthier than a box of Mickey D's chicken nuggets. But which is easier, faster, and less of a fight to get your kid to eat? We don't realize how much exercise is necessary to burn off those nuggets.
I do think that most of us are too lazy to educate ourselves, and that's the biggest problem. I know that was my issue before I found MFP…."I'm eating cereal and a sandwich for lunch, and pasta with a half a chicken breast for dinner - how am I gaining so much weight?!?" Because, genius - that sandwich you just ate was 800 cals, and you had the entire bag of a two-serving bag of Cheetos and a 20 oz coke with it. I don't know everything, but I am learning and I am getting better.0 -
fake foods, frankenfoods, also for people who eat meat the quality of meat isn't good especially those animals eating majority of corn to fatten them up and it is convenient not to have to exercise. There is so much you can do without ever leaving your house.0
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This is exactly the topic of the book, "The Pleasure Trap" by Douglas Lisle, Ph.D. It explains in great detail our biology and how we are programmed to seek out calorie and nutrient dense foods and why they give us pleasure. It is the artificially manufactured foods that are high in sugar and sodium and fat that short circuit our pleasure centers and keep us feeling unsatisfied and needing more. Unfortunately, these foods are the cheapest to produce and the most profitable for agribusiness, so our society is now living the consequences of this rapidly growing problem.0
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People are cheap, lazy, and many uneducated on health. I know so many people who would rather have something tangible that is nice rather then taking the time to shop for healthy food at the market or buy a fast food meal rather than a salad that may cost a couple bucks more.
Even though the economy is bad you can still eat healthfully and at least make time for a short walk even if on your lunch work hour. There is no real excuse unless you work 2 jobs, are going to school, and have kids or just don't know how to be healthy or what is healthy/
I ate healthy, worked out, was working 8-5 going to school from 6-10pm, getting home doing homework and still found time to make lunch for the following day and workout. It really just depends on how bad someone wants to be healthy and/or their knowledge on health and the body.0 -
It takes a lot more effort to be healthy.
It doesn't take a lot more effort to be healthier.
It just depends on what you're after. Many people simply don't have a reason to get in shape, as nothing in their life requires it. People need a reason to lose weight. Saying "your health will let you down in x years" isnt much of an incentive for a lot of people, as its something in the future they never worry about. All of us on here i assume came here and started because we had a reason we wanted to do it, and im guessing not many of us had "To make sure im healthy in 40 years time" as a reason.
People will come to their own conclusions, but it seems they have to be immediate reasons to really stoke their fire.0 -
A few things in my mind. 1st, moms have to work. This cuts the amount of time to actually cook dinner. 50 years ago moms didn't work. 2nd, technology. We can connect to others like never before. for example, my best friend lives a hour away before txting, email, and internet, I would be driving over there to visit. now I know all about her day/life because of FB, and txting. T.V. 50 years ago, there was no T.V. for eveyone in each room of the house. We had to actually take to each other.0
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There are obviously a lot of reasons- one that jumps out for me though is lifestyle change over time.
Both my grandparents and parents walked over a mile each way to school every day, rain, snow whatever. Now, it is very rare to see kids who live more than a few blocks away to have to walk to school. I know I never did. That was the norm back in the day.0 -
This is it in a nutshell.
I had lived 6 years in Europe and in my experience its all about the portions! One of the key elements is "getting a good deal" on the other side of the pond would be to have your same meal for a cheaper price. In the US, getting what one considers a deal usually means bigger portion size. 2 for 1, etc.
Every restaurant wants to boast their monster burgers, etc. Even something as simple as walking into a 7-11 for a drink and the smallest thing you can find is 20oz bottles, but most buy 32oz+.
Europe also seems to have healthy quick meals that are not fast food. Local bistros or sandwich shops on every corner can provide tasty and healthy food. Something severely lacking in the US outside of large metro cities.0
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