Calories fluid in tinned peaches

yirara
yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
in Food and Nutrition
I'm currently experimenting with creatine. The only way to make it half palatable is to mix the powder with the sticky juice from tinned peaches. The calories of the peaches is 66kcal/100gr drained. Any suggestions for the liquid? I'd guess it's about the same, or even more, but I have no idea.

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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,220 Member
    edited April 1
    The USDA have specific guidelines for drained weight but the gist is, it doesn't count even thought there is some residual liquid that might remain. Maybe use the actual fruit, add the creatine and maybe some protein powder and milk and put through a vitamix and call it a meal and just add it to your totals.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    neanderthin wrote: »
    The USDA have specific guidelines for drained weight but the gist is, it doesn't count even thought there is some residual liquid that might remain. Maybe use the actual fruit, add the creatine and maybe some protein powder and milk and call it a meal and just add it to your totals.

    I find the taste of the liquid makes the creatine palatable for me. Any other fluid I tried tastes yucky. I also need solid meals to be honest as fluids don't really fill me at all. So yeah, these are extra calories I need to account for. I just don't know how many. I might also try apple sauce but the creatine will certainly not dissolve in that.
  • sollyn23l2
    sollyn23l2 Posts: 1,755 Member
    As they don't give the nutrition information for the syrup, there's no way to know. My suggestion would be to look up "simple syrup" (which is a mixture of sugar and water) and use that to estimate. The calories in the peaches are completely irrelevant to the calories in the syrup they're stored in, as the syrup is really just sugar water.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,220 Member
    edited April 1
    yirara wrote: »
    neanderthin wrote: »
    The USDA have specific guidelines for drained weight but the gist is, it doesn't count even thought there is some residual liquid that might remain. Maybe use the actual fruit, add the creatine and maybe some protein powder and milk and call it a meal and just add it to your totals.

    I find the taste of the liquid makes the creatine palatable for me. Any other fluid I tried tastes yucky. I also need solid meals to be honest as fluids don't really fill me at all. So yeah, these are extra calories I need to account for. I just don't know how many. I might also try apple sauce but the creatine will certainly not dissolve in that.

    What is it that your trying to accomplish consuming creatine? Most people use it for the extra ATP for muscle energy but it has other benefits, so just thought I'd ask. If it is for muscle building then that liquid meal would certainly be a decent assist as opposed to a meal that you chewed for example, It's a matter of perspective if the creatine is for the purpose of hypertrophy.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    sollyn23l2 wrote: »
    As they don't give the nutrition information for the syrup, there's no way to know. My suggestion would be to look up "simple syrup" (which is a mixture of sugar and water) and use that to estimate. The calories in the peaches are completely irrelevant to the calories in the syrup they're stored in, as the syrup is really just sugar water.

    Yeah, I figured that's the case. Lots of the fluid is included in the pores of the peaches, but how much? No idea. I guess I could look up a standard peach, assume it lost some water but soaked up lots of the fluid to get an estimate.

    The reason I don't really want to change anything on my diet: testing what creatine does for me. It was something a specialist doctor I'm currently seeing mentioned for a condition that I might have. So I'm trying to keep my macros the same, don't eat more than usual, but still get in the creatine somehow to see if something happens. As I only drink tea and water I feel that my options are limited. Tried it in my breakfast oats with skyr, but they lose the taste from it. So.. still trying, and until i found something that fits into my normal diet but doesn't make it taste yucky. Sigh. So I guess apple sauce is next instead of a piece of fruit twice a day.
  • lesdarts180
    lesdarts180 Posts: 3,061 Member
    edited April 1
    Buy peaches tinned in juice - usually grape or apple juice - then you can use a database entry for the fruit juice.

    Or, just buy fruit juice.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    Ok, apple sauce with creatine is disgusting as well. So I guess it's the sugar water with (if I feel like it) a half peach.
  • middlehaitch
    middlehaitch Posts: 8,486 Member
    The first creatine I used was in capsule form, just those little clear ones that you can separate yourself.
    Do you have a compounding pharmacy close by that would encapsule the creatine at a reasonable price?
    My capsules were 3g which was a daily dose for me as I’m quite small, the caps were at the largest size I could swollow, I’m not good at that at the best of times, so you may want to get them made up at 2.5g each and take 2 a day for the standard dosage.
    Worth the enquiring about so you can bypass the taste all together.
    Cheers, h.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,216 Member
    You didn't say whether your peaches are in heavy syrup, light syrup, or just fruit juice. Maybe peaches don't come in all those variations where you are, but they do here. It would make a decent-sized difference, I think.

    I put my creatine in 20g of plain nonfat Greek yogurt. It doesn't have a noticeable flavor that I know of, unless the sharpness of the yogurt hides it. It does have a slightly gritty texture, which is sub-recreational to eat, but it's just a couple of teaspoons so NBD to me. YMMV.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    Oh yeah, my peaches are in light syrup. But to be honest, I have no idea what 'light' means here. I know no proper way to figure out how many.

    I tried creatinine with skyr, but it tastes like a spoon full of flour, and for some reason this taste sticks for 1-2 hours. I guess it's just a texture or taste that I'm particularly sensitive for. Thus yeah, so far the best I've found is the syrup, with half a peach. Well, I'm currently in a loading week of 150mg/kg bodyweight (several small portions throughout day), and then I'll half it. Then this should all be easier. So far I only tried to run once, and I don't think there was a difference. But oddly, I have a lot more energy throughout the day. I don't bonk so easily and i can fast a lot longer. What I also noticed is that my blood glucose is actually lower when fasted. It's never high, mind. I... have no idea. But the doctor I'm seeing suspects a problem somewhere in the ATP energy cycle and she said creatine might help a bit in some cases. So lets see. 2 more months and I'll have the results of a recent muscle biopsy. If they did they right tests and stains on the sample. Important to note: we just had time change to summer time, thus my ability to fast better might also be related to that.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,216 Member
    You might get a rough estimate of the syrup calories if you can compare the calories of peaches in light syrup with peaches in fruit juice?

    The syrup is "simple syrup" (sugar + water or HFCS + water), so looking at calories for that as Sollyn suggested could help, but knowing how saturated the sugar solution is would be important. Does the label list "added sugar"? If so, measuring the total liquid in the can and assuming the liquid contains all of the added sugar could give you a rough approximation. (I know the fruit will have released juice and absorbed sugar solution.)
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,246 Member
    edited April 1
    So recently I've been looking at fruit juice packed peaches. They have averaged out to about 125 to 126g with the fruit being about 85g when drained and the juice about 40g. So about 1/3 vs 2/3 for juice vs fruit.

    I don't know if you're discarding the fruit. if you're eating it later I would just log on average over the days you are consuming the can. But if you're never eating it... on to the juice's calories (in my case).

    HALT! HALT! HALT! Change of direction as I don't think your 67Cal / 100g corresponds to a specific non-manufacturer category.

    You will have to sleuth out your peaches "packing" (is it closer to light or closer to heavy syrup), because I am getting 72 Cal per 100g drained for heavy syrup peaches and 61 Cal per 100g for light syrup. But I am not finding a drained 67Cal per 100g

    Heavy syrup drained (NCCDB/USDA) 72Cal/100g
    heavy, not drained 74 Cal/100g

    light drained: 61Cal/100g
    light, not drained: 54Cal/100g

    see further below for possible entry wording

    An intriguing possibility is: peach nectar, canned (CNF=Canadian Nutrient File): @ 54Cal / 100g

    Looks to me that heavy syrup is a few more calories than the saturated edible fruit (adds to Cal count when present); light syrup seems a few less calories than the saturated edible fruit (reduces the Cal count when present)

    Based on that you may just be willing to take the syrup at the same 67 Cal as the whole Can, though if it is light syrup it is probably closer to or below 54Cal/100g

    USDA Commodity peaches, canned, light syrup, drained (USDA)
    Peach, Canned, in Light Syrup (NCCDB)
    Peaches, canned, light syrup, pack, solids and liquids (USDA)
    Peaches, canned, heavy syrup, drained (USDA)
    Peaches, canned, heavy syrup pack, solids and liquids (USDA)

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,246 Member
    So @yirara .... how are you logging them?!?!?!?!
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    I'm still slightly undecided. But I find this one here super interesting:
    light drained: 61Cal/100g
    light, not drained: 54Cal/100g
    Hmm... I wish my peaches had some additional info. Have to make some correction here. My light ones are 62cal not 66 or whatever I wrote. That was the calories of the apple sauce I also bought. Note: don't mix apple sauce with creatine!

    Had an office day today and still no weakness and hunger while I'm usually done by noon. Wow. That certainly was good. No effect on exercising though as far as I can see. Will try to do a proper run tomorrow.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    Ok, I'm stopping with creatine now. I don't know what's happening here, but at rest I have so much more energy than normally and can fast so much better and longer. But I can't exercise anymore. It seems like my non-existing high aerobic and anaerobic capacity moved down to much lower intensity movements, and just climbing the stairs to my flat has become so difficult, and slow running is not really possible anymore either. My muscles also cramp up and hurt so badly and feel weak still hours after a running attempt. Stopping because I want to make sure there's not something else going on. Lets hope I get it out of my system quickly.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,246 Member
    I hope you get it out of your system fast and for good!

    I note that if your peaches are 62 Cal / 100g.... that is incredibly close to the 61 Cal / 100g drained USDA value for light syrup peaches.

    Which potentially means that the 61 Cal and 54 Cal values are at full play and the differences are small enough that I think you can compromise without too much fear of an error to the 54 Cal / 100g value in the Canadian Nutrient file (your syrup would probably be even a few less calories and less nutrients... but probably not more).
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,216 Member
    I'm not arguing that you should not stop the creatine. I'm just offering a data point. For a while after I started taking it, I had much more frequent cramps than I'd ever had before, in more spots (still mostly legs, but varied parts of legs), and sometimes bad enough to wake me up. It went away. I can't remember how long it took, but multi-weeks. I'm still not sure it was the creatine, no way to be sure.

    I did not have the energetic effects you're seeing, nor the effects on exercise performance.

    FWIW.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    Thanks guys. My body is just weird, so I stop for now to see if everything is fine thereafter. If not then I know something else is going on. I mean, I have a life as well, need to leave my flat, carry stuff every now and then, and other things and currently it's just not really possible.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,216 Member
    yirara wrote: »
    Thanks guys. My body is just weird, so I stop for now to see if everything is fine thereafter. If not then I know something else is going on. I mean, I have a life as well, need to leave my flat, carry stuff every now and then, and other things and currently it's just not really possible.

    Of course! I got to thinking about my reply after I posted. The point was not to say that you should keep taking creatine. (With what you're experiencing, I'd stop it, too.) The point was to say that I had cramping from what I'm now fairly certain was the creatine ramp-up/adaptation, so it may not be "something else going on" for you and that stopping will - I hope - give you some relief.

    Best wishes for full and speedy return to a better status!
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,246 Member
    yirara wrote: »
    and currently it's just not really possible.
    :disappointed::anguished::heartbreak:

    You fix you NOW! :smiley:

    🤞🏽
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    Thanks you two lovely❤️❤️❤️ All will be fine in the end. I'll try again, but first lets see what's wrong now. I'll also have a vacation in two weeks to a country you don't want to travel to with a white powder in your hand luggage (no hold luggage), and then I'll likely try again. No worries.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,943 Member
    Guess what: I stopped creatine, and the expected water weight gain finally showed up. 😅🤯

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